mr_hexen
join:2007-08-02
Brampton, ON
1 edit | reply to BonkersInc
Re: CRTC ruling coming Thursday Nov 20
said by BonkersInc  :They oversubscribe lines, which I can understand because otherwise DSL would be expensive enough that noone would want it. But, what level of oversubscribing is tolerable from the consumer's point of view? Exactly. 5 or 10 or however many years ago, they made a business decision for subscription rates VS ACTUAL capacity. They gambled and lost (p2p changed the game), and now they are punishing us for THEIR mistakes. It's probably some dumb (or smart) CEO trying to save his ass/job.
If congestion is the problem, why FORCE congestion (congestion = slowdowns in speed = throttle). Just let it happen naturally... :/ I'm sure it would happen A LOT less than it does.
Heck, i've NEVER experienced congestion, AT ANY time of day. I can usually trace a slow speed to the source server. If I'm streaming / downloading from multiple sources I can usually add up all my speeds to get 5mbps, NO CONGESTION. |
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shepd
join:2004-01-17
Kitchener, ON
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said by GNca George :Good point, except that there aren't ANY competitors that can provide that kind of service at a reasonable price point. No Japanese transplants queueing up to run fibre to my doorstep miles out in the country... If only! True enough right now. Although I think the vast majority of people realize that living out in the country = rural lifestyle = totally different way of living. People up north want a truck with studded winter tires and a well with clean water. In downtown TO you want a TTC pass and a bottle of water from Pickering. You have to give up some things to gain other things when living rural, and those that don't understand that hate living out in the country (I should know! I was one of them!)
However, I've seen opportunities fly by so many times. Where I lived out in the country was a subdivision full of yuppies with $1/2 million houses. No DSL, no cable, and the fastest dialup you could get with 15 km long lines was 19.2 kbps. There's a great opportunity to be had there, and Bell, to this day, *still* hasn't bothered to put a DSLAM or remote out there.
Best of luck with your service!
said by GNca George :You can go out and buy a GigE link all for yourself right now. Problem is, you aren't going to like the price. Yup. Although, honestly, if I was a multi-millionaire, I'd have GigE, just for the hell of it. I believe that's what... $10k a month with Cogent?  Wouldn't be too hard to swing if you won the $45 million 6/49. |
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Tack
join:2007-10-23
Waterloo, ON
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said by fiestaware :They will scan the thing and bin it, thinking "15-year-old". Or more insidiously, they will skim it, and begin to make subconscious prejudgments that the anti-throttling, pro-net-neutrality camp must be total nutters, and will be less likely to give our genuine arguments objective consideration in the future. |
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levi47
join:2004-07-16
Waterloo, ON
·Acanac
| reply to zaptor99
My complaint to the CRTC:
I do not believe that the ruling made by the CRTC on the issues brought forth by the CAIP reflects the best interest of the consumer. The blanket throttling of wholesale customers was a blatant attempt by bell to remove any features from competitors that they did not desire to provide. It has been shown that the throttling is in place in many places where traffic congestion is not an issue and is not dependent on congestion in an area. If it could be shown that throttling was only engaged when\where congestion was occurring bells actions may be viewed as acceptable. At present the CRTC is eliminating the consumers choice of paying the additional cost associated with unlimited/unrestricted internet service and hindering the progress of the internet in Canada. While p2p might currently be a minority in terms of usage it should not be discriminated against as all technologies start out this way, if you cripple something before it can properly develop you destroy innovation. |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| reply to zaptor99
Why don't the ISPs just give users hardware encryption boxes to put after the DSL modem, and VPN all traffic as a single UDP (or TCP) stream back to their datacenter then decrypt it and de VPN it and continue it on its way? Think of the VPN as a value added service. Bell can't DPI encrypted traffic. |
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drjp81
join:2006-01-09
canada | $? |
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mlerner
Premium
join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
 ·Rogers Hi-Speed
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·Bell Sympatico
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said by patcat88 :Why don't the ISPs just give users hardware encryption boxes to put after the DSL modem, and VPN all traffic as a single UDP (or TCP) stream back to their datacenter then decrypt it and de VPN it and continue it on its way? Think of the VPN as a value added service. Bell can't DPI encrypted traffic. The hardware would not be cheap. |
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sniff sniff
@videotron.ca
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Competition Bureau and the CRTC in bed with Bell?
»www.p2pnet.net/story/17677
something smells here, and it isn't my sox.  |
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mlerner
Premium
join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
·Rogers Hi-Speed
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| said by sniff sniff :Competition Bureau and the CRTC in bed with Bell? » www.p2pnet.net/story/17677something smells here, and it isn't my sox. And this surprises you? Just take a look at some of the past cases and the current commissioners. You'd have to be blind not to see it. |
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R0CKY
TSI Rocky
Premium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON
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said by sniff sniff :Competition Bureau and the CRTC in bed with Bell? » www.p2pnet.net/story/17677something smells here, and it isn't my sox. It's hard to ignore all the inbreeding going on, that's for sure. How it affects things is a definite big question-mark if there ever was one! 
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fiestaware
join:2008-01-07
·Bell Sympatico
·Acanac
| reply to Tack
said by Tack :said by fiestaware :They will scan the thing and bin it, thinking "15-year-old". Or more insidiously, they will skim it, and begin to make subconscious prejudgments that the anti-throttling, pro-net-neutrality camp must be total nutters, and will be less likely to give our genuine arguments objective consideration in the future. ^ What I'm getting at, yeah. If not "nutters", then "assholes".
Totally detrimental. |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
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said by mlerner :The hardware would not be cheap. »quozl.linux.org.au/openwrt/power···peed.txt
Sounds like you can get 24 mbitps using blowfish on a wrt54g, more than enough for ADSL. A Linksys with custom firmware turning it into a VPN/hardware encryption device. Bell can't DPI the traffic then, except traffic shape the 1 unknown VPN connection through packetloss which is a natural speed limiter. VPNs are unlikely to be subject to DPI because of corporate users complaining. Also one of the congestion arguments (a bunch of TCP connections from a p2p user will squeeze the 1 TCP connection by a HTTP user, since TCP tends to balance out each connection to an equal share of the media/pipe). |
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DJMASACRE
join:2008-05-27
Nepean, ON
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·Bell Sympatico
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Ok so take a look
»www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2008···qna.html
Excerpt
"But by looking at the issues we also recognized that there are some more fundamental issues here because Bell and all the carriers own their networks and they claim they have the right to manage their traffic how they choose. We're saying, 'Is there something we should be looking at in regards to the extent to which their rights to manage their network ... infringe on other peoples' rights?' We're saying, 'Let's have a public notice and take a look at all the issues, not just one company, but all the companies, and not just one group of customers but all customers, and see if there really is a need for us to define guidelines or not in this case.'"
"The evidence before us, as filed and defended or criticized by the parties … it was a public, transparent process. All the information was provided. We took a look at the evidence and the submissions of the parties and made a finding with regard to the specific claim and allegation, but also recognized there are broader issues we do need to get involved in, and that's why we issued the public notice."
CBCNews.ca: The [Canadian Association of Internet Providers] and its members have complained that they weren't notified in October that the decision would be delayed, or that a ruling was coming on Thursday. Can you shed any light on why weren't they notified in advance of either event?
Katz: None at all. I don't know what the timelines are. Usually the commission makes a decision and it goes to the lawyers and writers to craft the decision. Then we're told when it goes out and we put together the appropriate machinery to get it out the door. I have no idea who was notified, when they were notified or who was given advance notice or not. I would think we treat everybody the same. No idea at all.
craft the decision ? .. wtf . anyone? definition of craft ? hah
what i got out of this from the CRTC was that " it could go one way .. or ther other.. and they obviouslyjust went with Bell on this one .. based purely on submissions.
NOW they want public input to formulate the next decision.
they only really looked at the piece of this and looked the wrong way .
Now they want publics voice... |
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