Re: Sweet in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r21456873 en Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:19:28 EDT Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:19:28 EDT Re: Sweet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21475753 nuahs79 : I think the new Xbox Live is great and much more enjoyable then the old blade setup. The Netflix deal is also great so I don't have to mess with the buggy VMC plug-in to stream to my 360. The plug in still works great though if I want to use Media Center on my PC to watch movies instead of the Netflix player in my web browser. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21475753 Mon, 24 Nov 2008 03:22:09 EDT Re: Sweet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21475750 nuahs79 : I had an original 360 that I waited in line for 10 hours to get and it didn't get the RRD until about 2 1/2 years later. I had it in a wall unit with my receiver and I just didn't have adequate air flow which is what I attributed to the death of my first one. I replaced it, ripped off the heat sink and slapped some Artic Silver on there and an after market fan with USB readout to monitor the temps. When I play I play for 3 or 4 hours at a time and since getting better air flow and putting the aftermarket fan on I haven't had an issue. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21475750 Mon, 24 Nov 2008 03:19:10 EDT Re: Sweet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21473662 cbrigante2 :
said by thack57 See Profile :

Bull! You're just a Sony lap dog lying about your 6 machines. I go to and am friends with guys who work there and they have a "ring of death" report in ages. If I wrong, I apologize in advanced, but I also read most of the gaming mags and have not read about this still happening. So either you pissed off the gaming gods, your store [where you buy your 360's]or you hate Microsot and are lying. I bought mine when it came out and had to swap out 2. That was about 3 yrs. ago. My son had to swap out 1 and that was about 2 1/2 years ago.
I know of two on my friends list right now with RROD. Granted, they were a little bit older units, but I think almost every old unit will eventually have to be replaced with enough use.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21473662 Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:12:50 EDT Re: Sweet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21473263 thack57 : Bull! You're just a Sony lap dog lying about your 6 machines. I go to and am friends with guys who work there and they have a "ring of death" report in ages. If I wrong, I apologize in advanced, but I also read most of the gaming mags and have not read about this still happening. So either you pissed off the gaming gods, your store [where you buy your 360's]or you hate Microsot and are lying. I bought mine when it came out and had to swap out 2. That was about 3 yrs. ago. My son had to swap out 1 and that was about 2 1/2 years ago.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21473263 Sun, 23 Nov 2008 15:44:16 EDT Re: Sweet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21472008 cbrigante2 :
said by Matt See Profile :

said by cbrigante2 See Profile :

I'll say one thing about this NXE update. I was not interested in upgrading my Hard Drive before it, and now I am.
Yep. I didn't care that I didn't have a hard drive before, but now I'm glad I grabbed the 20GB.
I'm wishing I had the 120GB right now for the game copies to quiet my box down a little bit.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21472008 Sun, 23 Nov 2008 10:41:23 EDT Re: Sweet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21471976 Matt :
said by cbrigante2 See Profile :

I'll say one thing about this NXE update. I was not interested in upgrading my Hard Drive before it, and now I am.
Yep. I didn't care that I didn't have a hard drive before, but now I'm glad I grabbed the 20GB.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21471976 Sun, 23 Nov 2008 10:35:13 EDT Re: Sweet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21471973 cbrigante2 : I'll say one thing about this NXE update. I was not interested in upgrading my Hard Drive before it, and now I am.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21471973 Sun, 23 Nov 2008 10:34:14 EDT Re: Sweet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21471130 fadaguido : duplicate post sorry
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Since I had nothing to loose, I went ahead and fixed myself. Since being familiar w/ building my own PC's, did some research and went to Youtube, watched some disassembly vids and OUILA, had the thing apart in about 1/2 hr.

Really it's not just the aspect of the GPU placement w/ the airflow, it's also the crappy heatsink Xclamps that are the main cause. Overtime as these things begin to bend, as that happens loss of continuity from the heatsinks to the CPU/GPU, hence the failures.

Once I had it open, w/ mobo pulled, cleaned of the CPU/GPU, placed new good quality thermal grease, pulled the Xclamp crap off, re-seated HSinks w/ new connectors and put back together. Been runnin great ever since. Total cost was $25 for parts, plus the learning experience. No $99 fee for Msoft to send back another "defective" unit.

Have recently done same thing to our PS3, boy talk about a monster, geesh.

Peace!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21468484 Sat, 22 Nov 2008 12:24:35 EDT Re: Sweet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21457035 anon : I also forgot to mention, I lay the gaming systems flat not standing up to make sure the gaming discs are spun horizontally as opposed to vertically which may cause scratches and what not on the discs.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21457035 Thu, 20 Nov 2008 11:25:24 EDT Re: Sweet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21457022 anon : It's not just MS. I learnt about these new gen systems running hot a while back. My original PlayStation 1 with a mod chip overheated on me and died because I rested it directly on the carpet. It was a newbie mistake because the air slits were at the bottom of its case. How did I know as the only other gaming systems I had before were NES, Super NES, and the Sega Genesis. None of them had heating problems. Long story short, ever since that time I've always put my gaming systems out in the open or if they need to be inside an entertainment system cabinet like I have now, I make sure the compartments are big enough to allow good airflow. Heck, I even removed the stupid cardboard type backing for the entertainment system so that my DirecTV-Tivo HD-DVR, amplifier, gaming systems, etc will have free airflow at the back to expel heat. During summer, I direct a fan at them especially on whatever gaming system I'm playing at the moment. It's all about taking care of your electronics. With the power of these devices nowadays, overheating is a very possible cause of death. You just have to take precautions.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21457022 Thu, 20 Nov 2008 11:22:22 EDT Re: Sweet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21456873 anon : I agree...

Ive had mine sitting on a seperate table with lots of open airspace. THe power brick is on the table too. Not sitting on the carpet I was first shipment of the original xbox machines. Never had a problem with it. still going strong.

You need lots of open airspace, and not have anything impede its airflow. Its no different than a pc, its suppsoed to have x ammount of airspace arround it. typically if you provide that you should be ok. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21456873 Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:59:27 EDT Re: Sweet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21456820 Matt : And I know 20 or so people with 360's who haven't had to replace a single one of theirs. Of course, they don't have them stuffed into a tiny little cubby hole in their entertainment center, or sitting on top of carpet either ...

There are problems with the 360 overheating, but when you get upwards of 3,4,5 or 6, I'd start investigating what *I* might be doing to cause the problem.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21456820 Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:51:37 EDT Re: Sweet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21456796 anon : I know several people that have gone through at least 3 or more systems. Almost everybody I know has had to have their system replaced at least once. Personally, I am on my third system since I bought my original system back in March of 2007 and I can say for sure that my systems did not die from misuse or excessive use as I normally only play an hour or two each night.

The plain fact of the matter is the Microsoft, who can't design hardware worth a damn, decided that they would put the system's GPU, the hottest part of the system, in the NARROWEST part of the case. The resulting lack of airflow eventually leads to the GPU effectively burning out. Microsoft has been trying to solve the problem with a larger heat sink and more thermal grease but this is nothing more than a band-aid. No matter which way you cut it, the 360 runs way too hot and has too little airflow.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21456796 Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:49:09 EDT Re: Sweet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21456583 MRCUR :
said by Matt See Profile :

said by dks7 See Profile :

I got an xbox360 experience for you, how about one that doesn't 3 rings of death on you eventually, I am currently on my 6th machine, when this dies I am done. And will never buy Microsoft again.
After 6 of them, I'd start suspecting the user rather than the hardware.
You must not be familiar with the 360's reliability (or lack there of)...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21456583 Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:18:15 EDT Re: Sweet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21455912 MarkyD : I'm buying my little brother's OG (Original Gangsta) 360 from him. He's had it for a good while, no issues.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21455912 Thu, 20 Nov 2008 08:18:17 EDT Re: Sweet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21455452 anon : why wouldn't you just get it fixed for FREE.
That red ring stuff is covered under a special 3 year extended warentee. They even pay for shipping, even if your original warentee is expired. At least they did for me. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21455452 Thu, 20 Nov 2008 02:11:21 EDT Re: Sweet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21455349 JerryTongue : I have bought 3, my son has one and I am on my second one but on this one I have no issues at all and I play it every day. Out of my friends I think 2 had issues but thats it. When I had to return mine I called, next day I had a box delivered to my door with a prepaid label on it and within 10 days of my call I had a new one. For my needs I am very happy and I love all the online features. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21455349 Thu, 20 Nov 2008 01:04:32 EDT Re: Sweet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21454847 cbrigante2 :
said by Devanchya See Profile :

Perhaps I'm just unique. I keep it with the other electronics... I have it on a surge protector... I kepe things away from the air holes....
Maybe that has helped, but if you read what MS recommends, they tell you to plug direct to the wall (no surge protector). In any case, you are very lucky (and I hope it continues). ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21454847 Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:41:37 EDT Re: Sweet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21454272 odreian615 : I thought the 65nm Falcon chipset and bigger heatsinks was suppose to help]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21454272 Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:49:06 EDT Re: Sweet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21453651 spewak :
said by MystBlade See Profile :

I will be downloading the update tonight and check out the netflix stuff, however, I am not sure that is live until the 22nd but will see tonight
My box told me I would receive the update on Nov. 21. Plugged in ethernet cable this morning and Voila...Update. I have been using the Netflix instant watch since this morning. Pretty cool interface. Me likey :D
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The weekend is here, grab a can of beer! ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21453651 Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:53:26 EDT Re: Sweet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21453556 chemaupr : I have 2 and only one, the first to buy at release, had the problem. Other than that no issues at all.

Out of the 45 in my friend list the max any one had to replace was two, but the norm since to be 1. and a about half never. So 6 is abnormal by all means]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21453556 Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:33:05 EDT Re: Sweet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21453544 dks7 : actually it was hem replacing the machine issue, im on my 6th replacement, i wont count the 15 or so times ive sent in for warranty work]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21453544 Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:30:55 EDT Re: Sweet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21453473 CrzyCrakr : I don't agree. It is poor design that kills them. Don't get me wrong cuz I love my 360s but they are poorly designed hardware. All of them will die...just a matter of time. Only way around it is either fix it yourself or MS does a redesign. Which I don't see happening. I would bet not until the next gen of the xbox.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21453473 Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:16:10 EDT Re: Sweet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21453338 anon : I agree with u on that USER issues i to have a 360 one of the very first ive never ever had any issues i use and intercooler and keep it in the open while playing unlike some ppl that i know who have had issues and they complain. come to find out they keep it in an entertainment center or somewhere enclosed where it doesnt get the correct air flow. So i say USER ERROR]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21453338 Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:50:31 EDT Re: Sweet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21453264 Devanchya : I have an ORIGINAL first month XBox 360 that is still going strong. I actually just moved it downstairs due to winning a new one with HDMI on it.

Never seen a ring o' death.

Perhaps I'm just unique. I keep it with the other electronics... I have it on a surge protector... I kepe things away from the air holes.... ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21453264 Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:32:20 EDT Re: Sweet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21453077 Lee GWB : My son is on his 5th..All have been remanufactured. After this Ps3.
Lee]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21453077 Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:49:53 EDT Re: Sweet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21453049 detth : Made in china crap hardware thats why. i've had one failure so far - maybe I'm lucky?
Ever notice how everything fails recently?
my original nintendo and super nintendo work. Heck my Atari 2600 still works.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21453049 Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:44:32 EDT Re: Sweet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21453004 magnushsi : I've had mine for almost 2 years, casual use and have never seen a single issue with it. Guess I'm lucky...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21453004 Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:35:22 EDT Re: Sweet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21452963 ydoucare :
said by Matt See Profile :

said by dks7 See Profile :

I got an xbox360 experience for you, how about one that doesn't 3 rings of death on you eventually, I am currently on my 6th machine, when this dies I am done. And will never buy Microsoft again.
After 6 of them, I'd start suspecting the user rather than the hardware.
My original 360 RRoD'd with only casual use after 2 years. Still on the 2nd one though. 6 is a little ridiculous though.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21452963 Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:25:30 EDT Re: Sweet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21452906 ender7074 :
said by Matt See Profile :

said by dks7 See Profile :

I got an xbox360 experience for you, how about one that doesn't 3 rings of death on you eventually, I am currently on my 6th machine, when this dies I am done. And will never buy Microsoft again.
After 6 of them, I'd start suspecting the user rather than the hardware.
Its possible but those things are notorious for dying. I rarely use mine and I'm on my 3rd one. It's kept in a clean environment and is never moved. Just go to fire the thing up and dead. MS threw quality control out the window (no pun intended) just to shove the thing out the door as fast as possible.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21452906 Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:13:32 EDT Re: Sweet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21452865 I pos rep :
said by MystBlade See Profile :

I will be downloading the update tonight and check out the netflix stuff, however, I am not sure that is live until the 22nd but will see tonight
What is live the 22nd? I have had the NXE for weeks now since I was in a special membership to it and I have had Netflix for days. Both work great assuming you have a good broadband connection.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21452865 Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:04:26 EDT Re: Sweet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21452780 Toguro :
said by Matt See Profile :

said by dks7 See Profile :

I got an xbox360 experience for you, how about one that doesn't 3 rings of death on you eventually, I am currently on my 6th machine, when this dies I am done. And will never buy Microsoft again.
After 6 of them, I'd start suspecting the user rather than the hardware.
I agree six dying and you keep going back sounds like a user issue.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21452780 Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:50:30 EDT Re: Sweet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21452735 Matt :
said by dks7 See Profile :

I got an xbox360 experience for you, how about one that doesn't 3 rings of death on you eventually, I am currently on my 6th machine, when this dies I am done. And will never buy Microsoft again.
After 6 of them, I'd start suspecting the user rather than the hardware.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21452735 Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:43:11 EDT Re: Sweet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21452717 ptrowski : I downloaded the update this AM before work, took all of 3 minutes to do. Very painless.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21452717 Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:40:44 EDT Re: Sweet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21452710 dks7 : I got an xbox360 experience for you, how about one that doesn't 3 rings of death on you eventually, I am currently on my 6th machine, when this dies I am done. And will never buy Microsoft again.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21452710 Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:40:12 EDT Sweet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21452694 MystBlade : I will be downloading the update tonight and check out the netflix stuff, however, I am not sure that is live until the 22nd but will see tonight]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21452694 Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:37:11 EDT