LowRider
join:2006-06-23
Dallas, GA
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Re: Data used by NSA did have oversight - the US gov't
Democrats ran the congress for the last two years. if they would of tried harder they could of stop alot of things. but for some reason they just FOLLOWED the REPUBLICANS.
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amigo_boy
join:2005-07-22
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said by jc100  :Maybe you need to read the constitution a bit better where it says there are courts in our system to make sure the government doesn't get too powerful. I think there's also something about guilty until proven innocent?
If you think 18 USC 2511's recognition of Executive power is unconstitutional, or was abused by that branch (or, misapplied by Congress when they referred to it as the basis for so-called "immunity"), the solution is to take your grievance to the court. Not sit around talking about how the current administration "broke the law."
I understand the EFF *finally* did this. Too bad they wasted a year on personal-injury lawsuits. All that did was force Congress to put even *more* congressional intent behind 18 USC 2511(!). A very important element in determining whether the President abused that law.
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jc100
join:2002-04-10
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Oversight.. by Whom? The people who gave the blank check to go about the program any way they saw fit. Ya, that's real checks and balances taking place. Maybe you need to read the constitution a bit better where it says there are courts in our system to make sure the government doesn't get too powerful. Judicial system. Ever heard of that before? Probably not. |
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amigo_boy
join:2005-07-22
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said by TKJunkMail :2 different animals related to Verizon actions: Right. One was defined as legal by law (18 USC 2511). The other isn't.
Not surprising Karl blurs the two.
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cornelius785
join:2006-10-26
Worcester, MA
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i sort of agree there was 'oversight', but that's because the bush administration ordered it. they ignored to whole bit on getting a warrant for millions of phone lines and possible internet connections.
i don't mind so much telecoms getting off hook completely. why really pisses me off is that people that ordered are getting no attention and are not being held accountable. |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | reply to TKJunkMail
Yup. Left hand of the gov't didn't know what the right hand was doing.
Absolute power corrupts..absolutely. |
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Metatron2008
join:2008-09-02
Stockbridge, GA | reply to TKJunkMail
Read the constitution before you post next TK, and try and understand why liberals won the election (Hint: Due to republications who pretend to stand for small government and bs everyone) |
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TKJunkMail
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said by jc100 :1) Data given to the government had NO OVERSIGHT as they were warrantless wiretaps Of course there was oversight by the government - just not the courts(which is only 1 part of the government).
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packetscan
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If you call NSA "listeners" passing around phone sex conversations among themselves, between army and their wifes.
- yea i can see how that is beneficial to the war on terror.
This is a Verizon problem.. why did they not have a lock on the account? - I haven't seen a company that can't lock records so a Manager or Supervisor must unlock the records.
Verizon dropped the ball yet again. |
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jc100
join:2002-04-10
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Dude I'm so sick of your posts.
1) Data given to the government had NO OVERSIGHT as they were warrantless wiretaps
2) Employees readily admitted to spying on Americans (Soldiers, Aid Workers, etc) and being told to do so by their higher ups. |
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TKJunkMail
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|  2 different animals related to Verizon actions:
1 - data provided to the NSA to gather info on terrorism did have gov't oversight whether anyone thinks they should have provided that data or not.
2 - employees acting on their own to satisfy their own curiosity is not in the same ballpark. And actions to punish employees for doing so by Verizon is std procedure and appropriate.
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