Re: Data used by NSA did have oversight - the US gov't in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r21462606 en Mon, 30 Nov 2009 05:32:20 EDT Mon, 30 Nov 2009 05:32:20 EDT Re: Data used by NSA did have oversight - the US gov't http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21466197 joker5656 : Democrats ran the congress for the last two years. if they would of tried harder they could of stop alot of things. but for some reason they just FOLLOWED the REPUBLICANS.
»www.senate.gov/pagelayout/histor···ydiv.htm]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21466197 Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:58:51 EDT Re: Data used by NSA did have oversight - the US gov't http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21463527 amigo_boy :
said by jc100 See Profile :

Maybe you need to read the constitution a bit better where it says there are courts in our system to make sure the government doesn't get too powerful.
I think there's also something about guilty until proven innocent?

If you think 18 USC 2511's recognition of Executive power is unconstitutional, or was abused by that branch (or, misapplied by Congress when they referred to it as the basis for so-called "immunity"), the solution is to take your grievance to the court. Not sit around talking about how the current administration "broke the law."

I understand the EFF *finally* did this. Too bad they wasted a year on personal-injury lawsuits. All that did was force Congress to put even *more* congressional intent behind 18 USC 2511(!). A very important element in determining whether the President abused that law.

Mark]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21463527 Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:27:45 EDT Re: Data used by NSA did have oversight - the US gov't http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21463282 jc100 : Oversight.. by Whom? The people who gave the blank check to go about the program any way they saw fit. Ya, that's real checks and balances taking place. Maybe you need to read the constitution a bit better where it says there are courts in our system to make sure the government doesn't get too powerful. Judicial system. Ever heard of that before? Probably not.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21463282 Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:49:05 EDT Re: Data used by NSA did have oversight - the US gov't http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21463030 amigo_boy :
said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

2 different animals related to Verizon actions:
Right. One was defined as legal by law (18 USC 2511). The other isn't.

Not surprising Karl blurs the two.

Mark]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21463030 Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:00:47 EDT Re: Data used by NSA did have oversight - the US gov't http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21462849 cornelius785 : i sort of agree there was 'oversight', but that's because the bush administration ordered it. they ignored to whole bit on getting a warrant for millions of phone lines and possible internet connections.

i don't mind so much telecoms getting off hook completely. why really pisses me off is that people that ordered are getting no attention and are not being held accountable.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21462849 Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:34:12 EDT Re: Data used by NSA did have oversight - the US gov't http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21462606 en102 : Yup. Left hand of the gov't didn't know what the right hand was doing.
Absolute power corrupts..absolutely.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21462606 Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:58:33 EDT Re: Data used by NSA did have oversight - the US gov't http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21462420 Metatron2008 : Read the constitution before you post next TK, and try and understand why liberals won the election (Hint: Due to republications who pretend to stand for small government and bs everyone)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21462420 Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:32:02 EDT Re: Data used by NSA did have oversight - the US gov't http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21462364 TKJunkMail :
said by jc100 See Profile :

1) Data given to the government had NO OVERSIGHT as they were warrantless wiretaps
Of course there was oversight by the government - just not the courts(which is only 1 part of the government).
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- yea i can see how that is beneficial to the war on terror.

This is a Verizon problem.. why did they not have a lock on the account? - I haven't seen a company that can't lock records so a Manager or Supervisor must unlock the records.

Verizon dropped the ball yet again.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21462277 Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:08:30 EDT Re: Data used by NSA did have oversight - the US gov't http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21462190 jc100 : Dude I'm so sick of your posts.

1) Data given to the government had NO OVERSIGHT as they were warrantless wiretaps

2) Employees readily admitted to spying on Americans (Soldiers, Aid Workers, etc) and being told to do so by their higher ups.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21462190 Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:52:47 EDT Data used by NSA did have oversight - the US gov't http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21462120 TKJunkMail : 2 different animals related to Verizon actions:

1 - data provided to the NSA to gather info on terrorism did have gov't oversight whether anyone thinks they should have provided that data or not.
2 - employees acting on their own to satisfy their own curiosity is not in the same ballpark. And actions to punish employees for doing so by Verizon is std procedure and appropriate.
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