joeybee
Joey
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Hamilton, ON
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Re: Unionized cuts starting at Bell
My dad is on the list of people who bell just let go. They apparently let quite a few go at his office. |
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nitzguy
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Sudbury, ON
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The client site I work at are rolling from 8 layers to 7...and that's hitting some people hard so...I can only imagine 11 to 8...but 11 is a LOT...it reminds me of that UPS/Fedex commercial?  Where they are sitting around and saying as "Senior VP operations, as VP operations"..etc etc...
Its never good when people lose their jobs, management or otherwise...so hopefully it doesn't hit anyone at home...especially around this time, I've been laid off 10 days before Xmas before so I can completely relate to job loss...
Hopefully it makes Bell better in the long run but...I doubt it...so many layers to begin with to get anything done in a timely fashion... |
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StingerMoD
join:2002-10-16
Calgary, AB | reply to donoreo
that sucks dude... I just hope im safe in the awning industry |
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donoreo
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join:2002-05-30
North York, ON | reply to noelstrom
Sorry to hear that! |
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noelstrom
meh.
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join:2003-04-07
London, ON | reply to donoreo
Nope, I am the bottom. From top to bottom, my organization chart is Cope, Executive VP (Network), VP (Network Provisioning), Director, Regional Manager, Direct Manager, then me. |
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donoreo
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North York, ON
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said by noelstrom  :There are 6 between me and Cope. So you are one from the bottom?
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noelstrom
meh.
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join:2003-04-07
London, ON | reply to Jolie
There are 6 between me and Cope. |
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Jolie
Take my advice.. I don't use it anyways.
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join:2004-08-07
London, ON | reply to donoreo
I was thinking 7 or 8, but, for some reason the 7 kept sticking in my mind. |
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donoreo
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said by Jolie :If I remember correctly the layers were peeled from 11 to 7. 8 is what I was just told.
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Jolie
Take my advice.. I don't use it anyways.
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London, ON | reply to donoreo
If I remember correctly the layers were peeled from 11 to 7. |
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donoreo
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North York, ON
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said by Kardinal :Also, please name the 11 layers of management at Bell, as that seems to be a bit far on the others side of things. George Ciope's plan with the layoffs in the summer was to cut the number of layer between him and the customer to (n). I am waiting for my person on the inside to get back to me on what the value of n is
I do know Bell would have this:
CEO BCE
(may be some corporate SVPs and VPs in here)
President of Division (mobility, ExpressVue, etc)
SVPs
VPs
Directors
Associate Directors
Managers
Coordinators
Those are just the management layer, they do not interact with customers except in extreme circumstances.
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Bellundo
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The 1.2 billion dollar present the teachers will be giving to bell next month may help to mitigate the layoffs. |
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Bellundo
@teksavvy.com | reply to noelstrom
Your unemployment insurance claims are based on the unemployment rate up to a total i believe of 50 weeks. With the unemployment rate looking to spike upwards above 10 percent you'll probably get the full 50 weeks. |
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dirtyjeffer
Merry Christmas
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join:2002-02-21
London, ON | reply to Kardinal
there are a lot of "managers" at Bell...it is like how there are a lot of "engineers" in the US.
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Kardinal
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said by HeywoodFloyd :Things are really bad at Bell because of the 11 layers of management (Rogers only has 4). Depending upon which business unit you reference for numbers, Bell Canada has 52k employees. 5100 Bell technicians are CEP. I'm not sure about the Expertech and BTS technicians but lets be liberal and pretend that these two add up to 4900 for a total of 10k technicians. (BTW, these people are CEP as well but corporate politics has made sure they have different CEP contracts, which do not come due at the same time). Now the last time I counted, there were 12k clerks in an employee association known as the CTEA. If you divide 52 by 22 and drop the fraction you will see that there are two managers for every employee. You've posted this a couple of times -- would you please quote your source? 4 layers of management at Rogers would mean Ted Rogers (President & CEO, Rogers Communications), Edward Rogers (President, Rogers Cable), Directors of cable division, and Managers / team leaders (cable division) for every operational group. No VPs, nothing.
Also, please name the 11 layers of management at Bell, as that seems to be a bit far on the others side of things.
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Thane_Bitter
join:2005-01-20
London, ON
·Bell Sympatico
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OK, some one other then....
Jolie (  sorry!)
noelstrom
shaner
Glen1
Deadpool
MacGyver
and anyone that I might have missed, and forgot to name 
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Jolie
Take my advice.. I don't use it anyways.
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London, ON
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said by Devanchya :"I hope the axe falls on someone who does not post or read DSLReports, nor is a good person, or a happy person" Does that cover it better? Yes, I think that just about covers it all...good post.. |
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Devanchya
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join:2003-12-09
Ajax, ON | reply to Jolie
"I hope the axe falls on someone who does not post or read DSLReports, nor is a good person, or a happy person"
Does that cover it better? |
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Jolie
Take my advice.. I don't use it anyways.
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London, ON
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said by Thane_Bitter :said by Sukunai : Amen! I hope the axe falls on someone else. Nooooooo.....   |
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Thane_Bitter
join:2005-01-20
London, ON
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said by Sukunai :For 45 bucks a month, I expect service help I can comprehend. Amen!
noelstrom, for what its worth, I hope the axe falls on someone else.
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