Sempronius
join:2008-09-18
Toronto, ON | Angered by the Bell keep on throttling decision?
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R0CKY
TSI Rocky
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join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON
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Glen1
These Are The Good Ol' Days.
Premium,MVM
join:2002-05-24
GTA Canada
 ·Bell Sympatico
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Further to this discussion, throttling is an admission by the ISP (whomever) that their network is substandard and cannot handle the traffic of its own customers at peak times. The ISPs should take this as a "wake up" call, stop misrepresenting their ability to be the "fastest" internet and finally upgrade their networks. Spend the money to support what they are saying. "Hey your network can't handle the load"...my words.
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| said by Glen1  :Further to this discussion, throttling is an admission by the ISP (whomever) that their network is substandard and cannot handle the traffic of its own customers at peak times. The ISPs should take this as a "wake up" call, stop misrepresenting their ability to be the "fastest" internet and finally upgrade their networks. Nicely said Glen.
I'm.. i'm surprised. |
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HiVolt
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join:2000-12-28
Toronto, ON
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·TekSavvy Solutions..
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said by Glen1 :Further to this discussion, throttling is an admission by the ISP (whomever) that their network is substandard and cannot handle the traffic of its own customers at peak times. The ISPs should take this as a "wake up" call, stop misrepresenting their ability to be the "fastest" internet and finally upgrade their networks. Spend the money to support what they are saying. "Hey your network can't handle the load"...my words. True to a point, however, it's an excuse not to upgrade for a type of traffic that they deem unimportant, ie P2P. It makes them no money, because people can download movies, music, talk on the phone, and other things that takes away from the company's retail products.
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Glen1
These Are The Good Ol' Days.
Premium,MVM
join:2002-05-24
GTA Canada
·Bell Sympatico
| They sell a network service not based on content. "Always fast never shared" is what I remember hearing with the beavers on the advertisement. Why do we have to stipulate what type of traffic is being generated...simply put they don't have the capacity. If only 5% of the users can bring the network to "its knees" then clearly the network is not as "robust" as they claim. It is time they "walked the talk".
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Glen1
These Are The Good Ol' Days.
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join:2002-05-24
GTA Canada
·Bell Sympatico
1 edit | reply to HiVolt
Again it goes back to what I remember saying about the customers at home vs. the same customers in their company's board room. I have XYZ ISP at home and they can't handle the load at peak times...why should we choose them for our business? When the decision to choose an ISP or network provider is made...do you go with a company who has the capacity to handle your needs or do you go with someone who can? It is P2P traffic now but in a few months it might be video traffic that is causing the slow down...are they simply going to throttle video traffic because 5% of their users are hogging all the bandwidth?
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Harleyguy
join:2008-02-01
Waterdown, ON
| Re: Angered by the Bell keep on throttling decision? -Glen1
Glen1 maybe you can answere this as I dont have any experience on what happens past the slam in the CO.
It is my understanding that any ISP that uses BELL's equiptment/network in the CO is subject to throttling. If that is the case why cant BELL throttle those networks as it belongs to them.
I would think that if a 3rd party ISP did not want to be throttled by BELL they should have to pay BELL extra for a network that is not throttled .
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HiVolt
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join:2000-12-28
Toronto, ON
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·TekSavvy Solutions..
1 edit | To my knowledge, they throttle PPPoE based ISP's, whether business or residential, also including Bell's own business or residential PPPoE.
Only way to get true unthrottled DSL right now without any 3rd party tools like MLPPP to defeat throttling is to get a 6mbit HSA non-PPPoE DSL. Dedicated DSL, and its $99/month from most ISP's and $250 setup fee.
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R0CKY
TSI Rocky
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join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON
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said by Harleyguy :Glen1 maybe you can answere this as I dont have any experience on what happens past the slam in the CO. It is my understanding that any ISP that uses BELL's equiptment/network in the CO is subject to throttling. If that is the case why cant BELL throttle those networks as it belongs to them. I would think that if a 3rd party ISP did not want to be throttled by BELL they should have to pay BELL extra for a network that is not throttled . Thanks We already do pay more..... AGAS/Gig-E connections to back-haul and aggregate the user sessions.
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Harleyguy
join:2008-02-01
Waterdown, ON
| Re: Angered by the Bell keep on throttling decision?
said by R0CKY :said by Harleyguy : We already do pay more..... AGAS/Gig-E connections to back-haul and aggregate the user sessions. Ok Rocky you answered half my question- You pay more.
Now for the other half.
Are TekkSavvy customers throttled by the Bell network ??
Just trying to get another perspective on this as I deal with your customers also. |
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Cloneman
join:2002-08-29
45436
| reply to Sempronius
The problem isn't really that they throttle. It's the magnitude of the throttle - 30kb/s !?! Totally unreasonable.
They are also charging on a per Gigabyte basis. It makes no sense for them to limit speeds.
They also don't sell a product that doesn't have a throttle, even if someone would want to pay more, which is simply retarded. If anyone wants fast torrents, they have to go to ... cable. |
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idea
@videotron.ca
| said by Cloneman :If anyone wants fast torrents, they have to go to ... cable. There's a good idea |
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cpsycho
join:2008-06-03
Orangeville, ON | reply to Cloneman
Rogers throttles everything! What ever you do ends up getting throttled.
I had to switch from cable to get 100kbps up and 100kbps down. instead of 2kbps up and 50kbps down. So no rogers cable is just as bs as bell. |
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mordin
42 inches of 1080p
Premium
join:2005-05-28
Moncton, NB
| said by cpsycho :Rogers throttles everything! What ever you do ends up getting throttled. Rogers throttles P2P & Torrents. My usenet access is as fast as my NG provider will allow. Streaming video, direct downloads etc. speed are good.
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mazhurg
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join:2004-05-02
Portage La Prairie, MB
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·MTS
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said by Harleyguy :said by R0CKY :said by Harleyguy : We already do pay more..... AGAS/Gig-E connections to back-haul and aggregate the user sessions. Ok Rocky you answered half my question- You pay more. Now for the other half. Are TekkSavvy customers throttled by the Bell network ?? Just trying to get another perspective on this as I deal with your customers also. Yes.
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R0CKY
TSI Rocky
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join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON
| reply to Harleyguy
said by Harleyguy :said by R0CKY :said by Harleyguy : We already do pay more..... AGAS/Gig-E connections to back-haul and aggregate the user sessions. Ok Rocky you answered half my question- You pay more. Now for the other half. Are TekkSavvy customers throttled by the Bell network ?? Just trying to get another perspective on this as I deal with your customers also. Here's the problem with this question.... It's actually TekSavvy's network as we are leasing from the vendor Bell..... and are pre-buying space to do so.
Consider Bell our landlord, and TekSavvy is the tenant who is leasing the apartment.... It's TekSavvy's apartment at that point.... Yes the building is Bell's, but Bell isn't allowed into our apartment... This is why there is a Landlord and Tenant act I suppose........... 
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Harleyguy
join:2008-02-01
Waterdown, ON
| said by R0CKY :Here's the problem with this question.... It's actually TekSavvy's network as we are leasing from the vendor Bell..... and are pre-buying space to do so. Consider Bell our landlord, and TekSavvy is the tenant who is leasing the apartment.... It's TekSavvy's apartment at that point.... Yes the building is Bell's, but Bell isn't allowed into our apartment... This is why there is a Landlord and Tenant act I suppose........... Rocky I see what your saying, but I have a problem with your senario. You are correct when you say Yes the building is Bell's, but Bell isn't allowed into our apartment but when the landlord knows this tenant is doing something that will jeopordize other tenants, the landlord has right to say or do something.
Dont get me wrong, I hate throttling as much as the next guy, but whats the solution and who is going to pay for the info structure for all this extra capacity. With BELL going private you can be sure its not BELL. Are you or anyone else willing to pay more for DSL because 10% of internet users are using 90% of the network.
You will have to excuse my bias as I have worked for BELL way to long. |
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Guspaz
Guspaz
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
·Colbanet
| If a wholesaler gets more customers, they pay more to Bell in the form of additional ~$20/line fees (among other things). If a wholesaler uses more bandwidth, they pay more in AGAS lines.
Bell charges $1.80/mbit to deliver that traffic. You can get transit for under $3.99/mbit. Bell is not providing transit, so the costs are reasonable.
If Bell can't afford to offer service at these prices, then Bell misled the CRTC when giving up their costs to determine the tariff, and they should be increased.
At no point should throttling be needed to handle growth on a network where Bell set the pricing to such a point where they were making money. |
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artfuldodga
join:2003-08-11
| reply to Sempronius
get ready for a really messed up internet folks, it ain't gonna be a fun ride, the latest ruling was a major setback for years to come...
bell, rogers now believe they are in charge of everything done online and its gonna get worse before it gets better |
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