per second billing in VOIP Tech Chat http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r21472602 en Sat, 28 Nov 2009 21:40:38 EDT Sat, 28 Nov 2009 21:40:38 EDT Re: per second billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21498719 ezcallguy : grnvoip.com offers 1-second billing for US calls at $.012 per minute, or 6-second billing at $.01 per minute. you can also get a bonus of 2%-7% for payments over $100.

other good features:
- no rtp proxy for better QoS
- unlimited channel capacity with a single account
- 24x7x365 tech support
- toll free numbers are connected at no charge

other bad features:
- only outbound pstn termination (no DIDs)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21498719 Sat, 29 Nov 2008 19:39:20 EDT Re: per second billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21481910 kieranmullen : Oh by the way if anyone wants a $500 voicetrading.com account but doesnt want to spend $500 I have a reseller account with $103.90 USD for sale for $103.90 :-)

I am selling it since I already have a Euro based account as well. (As well as several clone accounts with funds in them)

I can set you up to try it out before purchase as well.

Thank you
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IP/Website Tools »ip.drlinky.com]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21481910 Tue, 25 Nov 2008 10:38:56 EDT Re: per second billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21480801 nitzan :
said by kieranmullen See Profile :

You can't put them down and at the same type neither confirm or deny that you use them.
I can. And I will. :)

Anyway, it's past bedtime apparently, good night!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21480801 Tue, 25 Nov 2008 02:13:58 EDT Re: per second billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21480788 kieranmullen : Thats why you can go with one of their crazy clones like voipbuster.com etc... »www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Finarea+SA

for smaller amounts or siptraffic for $200. As long as it doesn't expire I dont care.

VT Has responded to me several times in email.

You can't put them down and at the same type neither confirm or deny that you use them.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21480788 Tue, 25 Nov 2008 02:03:12 EDT Re: per second billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21480778 nitzan : VT doesn't have customer service - they simply ignore you.

Aside from that, $500 deposits are way WAY too much for a residential customer who makes the occasional call overseas. People don't usually purchase 5 years worth of calling credit in advance. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21480778 Tue, 25 Nov 2008 01:57:48 EDT Re: per second billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21480749 kieranmullen : Why not? They support sip... So program the sip into your ATA. Voila (spelling?) .... I have been using it this way for a long time. I do run asterisk but I also have it setup on ATA's It is not a mystery or pandora box...The credit doesn't expire and customer service is a little more likely to respond to your requests.

said by nitzan See Profile :

Both of these are not intended for residential customers. Other Betamax services are, if you want to go Betamax...
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21480749 Tue, 25 Nov 2008 01:47:06 EDT Re: per second billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21480743 nitzan : Both of these are not intended for residential customers. Other Betamax services are, if you want to go Betamax...
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Some have claimed you have to keep an eye on your own records but it has worked out ok for me.
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KieranMullen »360oregon.com Betamax/Voipbuster Reseller »infocalls.net/vouchers
IP/Website Tools »ip.drlinky.com]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21480706 Tue, 25 Nov 2008 01:26:07 EDT Re: per second billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21480699 kieranmullen : When I was in charge of another businesses telecom system 8 years ago.... .06 second billing was the norm. Everyone else was just getting hosed.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21480699 Tue, 25 Nov 2008 01:22:44 EDT Re: per second billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21479118 RockyBB : sounds like you're referring to calling to cell phones outside the US where the caller pays the airtime. if that's the case, you'll be out of luck, as no provider will leave themselves open to losing money on every one of your calls. that's why there are minimums. if your chums have text messaging, can you text them and ask for a call back? here in the states, most of the cell providers have an online page to send text messages for free to their subscribers. perhaps the cell providers overseas also have such a capability.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21479118 Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:45:55 EDT Re: per second billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21478657 mmr1 : my most common reason is that cellphones which revert to voicemail end up costing a mint even if one hangs up immediately]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21478657 Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:20:45 EDT Re: per second billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21478644 soitgoes2 : Even in the POTS world, an initial increment of 18 or 30 seconds is the norm with 6-second billing.

The advantage of 1 second billing over 6 second billing is really pretty minor--after all we're talking about paying in .017 versus .1 minute increments.

While I would prefer to be billed in 6 second increments than 1 minute increments, I recognize that the first priority (based on my calling patterns) should be the per minute rate.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21478644 Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:18:28 EDT Re: per second billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21478145 RockyBB :
said by mmr1 See Profile :

interesting to see how little choice there is.
I'm not aware of any POTS long distance provider that offers 1 second call rounding. this is more a function of billing systems (6 seconds = .1 minutes, which is easy to display and explain) than wanting to rip off customers. then again, VOIP providers may not get the info from their upstream providers to be able to bill in individual seconds, and their deals are most likely in 6 second increments. and let's not forget that carriers have to be profitable to survive.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21478145 Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:48:48 EDT Re: per second billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21477976 mmr1 : thanks for all the posts unfortunately vitelity charges a minimum 30 secs, interesting to see how little choice there is.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21477976 Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:21:56 EDT Re: per second billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21477059 morbo : vitelity]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21477059 Mon, 24 Nov 2008 12:16:40 EDT Re: per second billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21476777 espaeth :
said by PX Eliezer See Profile :

Voip.MS does have a London server
Except voip.ms only proxies the RTP streams, so for all you know it goes back to a US gateway to hit the PSTN for UK calls. I suspect that no matter which voip.ms server you pick, for any particular destination the route is identical. If you call a US number, it most likely hits a gateway on the east coast no matter which server you connect up to. If the IP route from their server to the PSTN gateway is better than your direct route to the gateway, then you might have an advantage. Most of the time it just adds latency and another point of problems to the audio path.

In an ideal configuration the soft switch doesn't actually handle anything other than call setup and teardown. The RTP audio should go directly from endpoint to endpoint, and the SIP switch stays the heck out of the way. Of course, NAT throws a wrench in this design which is why many providers proxy RTP traffic through the sip switch.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21476777 Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:23:31 EDT Re: per second billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21473866 PX Eliezer : I see that you are from the UK. Maybe you also should post in the UK forums on this website, as the people may know more of the UK and other European carriers.

Voip.MS does have a London server, though, their rates are very good, and unless you make high numbers of short little calls, 6 second billing sounds great! :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21473866 Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:58:36 EDT Re: per second billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21473691 nitzan : Our rates are significantly lower than most companies that bill in 1-second increments, however we bill our customers in 1-minute increments. We bill our plan minutes (free minutes) 60/1 (minimum 60 sec, per-second beyond 60 seconds) however minutes beyond the plan are billed per-minute.

Why? because a $0.0005 profit from a call is not enough to stay in business. Maybe that's why webacall went out of a business. ;)

My personal experience with webacall a couple of years ago was that they were very cheap - but quality sucked so I stopped using them.
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I believe Future-Nine bills in 6 second increments for their Bare Essentials plan only.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21473092 Sun, 23 Nov 2008 15:10:40 EDT Re: per second billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21472653 espaeth : »www.grnvoip.com bills in 1/1 increments, but the only posts I've ever been able to find about them were unfavorable.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21472653 Sun, 23 Nov 2008 13:15:17 EDT per second billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21472602 mmr1 : Any ideas of voip provider with one or six second billing, I have webacall which seems to have closed down even though the website is still up and running, they were one second increments then I have voip.ms with six second billing. Any other ideas?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21472602 Sun, 23 Nov 2008 13:03:37 EDT