 KardinalDei Gratina ReginaPremium
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Re: Unionized cuts starting at Bell said by HeywoodFloyd:Things are really bad at Bell because of the 11 layers of management (Rogers only has 4). Depending upon which business unit you reference for numbers, Bell Canada has 52k employees. 5100 Bell technicians are CEP. I'm not sure about the Expertech and BTS technicians but lets be liberal and pretend that these two add up to 4900 for a total of 10k technicians. (BTW, these people are CEP as well but corporate politics has made sure they have different CEP contracts, which do not come due at the same time). Now the last time I counted, there were 12k clerks in an employee association known as the CTEA. If you divide 52 by 22 and drop the fraction you will see that there are two managers for every employee. You've posted this a couple of times -- would you please quote your source? 4 layers of management at Rogers would mean Ted Rogers (President & CEO, Rogers Communications), Edward Rogers (President, Rogers Cable), Directors of cable division, and Managers / team leaders (cable division) for every operational group. No VPs, nothing.
Also, please name the 11 layers of management at Bell, as that seems to be a bit far on the others side of things.
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 dirtyjefferAnons on ignore.Premium
join:2002-02-21
London, ON | there are a lot of "managers" at Bell...it is like how there are a lot of "engineers" in the US.
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 donoreoPremium
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North York, ON | reply to Kardinal
said by Kardinal:Also, please name the 11 layers of management at Bell, as that seems to be a bit far on the others side of things. George Ciope's plan with the layoffs in the summer was to cut the number of layer between him and the customer to (n). I am waiting for my person on the inside to get back to me on what the value of n is 
I do know Bell would have this:
CEO BCE
(may be some corporate SVPs and VPs in here)
President of Division (mobility, ExpressVue, etc)
SVPs
VPs
Directors
Associate Directors
Managers
Coordinators
Those are just the management layer, they do not interact with customers except in extreme circumstances.
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 JolieTake my advice.. I don't use it anyways.Premium
join:2004-08-07
London, ON | If I remember correctly the layers were peeled from 11 to 7. |
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donoreoPremium
join:2002-05-30
North York, ON | said by Jolie:If I remember correctly the layers were peeled from 11 to 7. 8 is what I was just told.
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JolieTake my advice.. I don't use it anyways.Premium
join:2004-08-07
London, ON | I was thinking 7 or 8, but, for some reason the 7 kept sticking in my mind. |
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 noelstrommeh.Premium
join:2003-04-07
London, ON | There are 6 between me and Cope. |
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donoreoPremium
join:2002-05-30
North York, ON | said by noelstrom:There are 6 between me and Cope. So you are one from the bottom?
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noelstrommeh.Premium
join:2003-04-07
London, ON | Nope, I am the bottom. From top to bottom, my organization chart is Cope, Executive VP (Network), VP (Network Provisioning), Director, Regional Manager, Direct Manager, then me. |
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donoreoPremium
join:2002-05-30
North York, ON | Sorry to hear that! |
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