New UDP uTorrent Takes Aim At Throttling > Good effort, but expect collateral damage...

said by a333:

Problem is, in many cases, ISP's like Bell Canada block ANY secure/encrypted connections. There was, in fact, a whole lot of noise created about that a few months back, when Bell was throttling wholesale CLEC's. Many people got a rude digital slap in the face when they attempted to use encrypted VPN's. Further encryption would only add fuel to the fire in this crazy cat-and-mouse game we've been seeing for the last few years.

said by emoci:

The issue up here at least is a bit different.

All wholesalers have their own servers and their own separate agreements with PEER1, Cogent etc.. None of them had any trouble with the price of bandwith or any shortage in those terms.

However since the single monopoly on telephone lines is held by Bell they have to turn around and buy these from Bell in order to allow their customers to connect to their servers.

They pay $20/month/connection so the customer can use Bell's copper all the way to the BAS. From there they separately buy what are supposed to be dedicated 1 GBps pipes from Bell that send their customers traffic to their servers. Eg. Teksavvy has 5 and has been waiting for 2 others to come alive for about a year now.

Once in the ISP servers that traffic is no longer in Bell's network.

Now Bell throttles either just before, or just after the BAS. So in fact they are throttling the data that go over those 1GBps pipes that the ISPs buy one by one depending on how their customer base is growing ensuring that at any time their users are not using more than 50-60% of the pipelines (from what I've heard each pipe costs 8000-10000/month).

The problem here is that Bell is taking money for each pipeline but they are selling more of these pipelines that they have built (although they are significantly cheap to put up, and should be easily paid up by what the third party ISPs are paying leaving over profit)...

So I can understand Bell throttling its own retail customers because they are buying "best effort service" and as noted above if you think you have a 5/800 dedicated connection for $30 you are mistaken.

The third party ISPs on the other hand are clearly buying dedicated pipes...so why throttle these guys? How they deal with their own end-customers (to throttle or not to throttle is up to them), they were doing just fine before Bell imposed the throttling...

For anyone asking: Why not choose someone elses delivery network?

Bell has single handed control of copper in Ontario/Quebec while Telus has the same in AB/BC. The good news is that these guys are regulated to share under CRTC legistlation to promote competition. Also Bell started selling access to its copper to third paties before Bell Sympatico even existed, so the original team at Bell was quite adamant about "working with the third parties" to improve the network which seemed promising. Unfortunately the original people involved have been slowly dissappearing from Bell ranks since March-April 2008.

said by patcat88:

Teksavvy does not buy dedicated pipes from BC. AFAIK no CLECs in Canada do. In the USA CLEC DSL is different, the CLEC must install their own DSLAM at the CO, and then the CLEC must get the traffic from their own DSLAM to the internet and out of the CO building.

In Canada, CLECs buy a packet switched (idle bandwidth uses no room) ethernet link from BC, and the ethernet link is filled with incoming VPNs. Each VPN is the traffic of that CLEC's customer's modem. The bandwidth each VPN uses can expand or decreased based on how much bandwidth the CLEC customer is using. Its not an SONET/ATM/T1/T3/ISDN link where if you have 10 customers each with a 3 mbit DSL link, you will get a 30mbit T3 from BC, and idle frames take as much room as a full frame. BC suffers the effects of contention on this business model. CLEC DSL in Canada is not circuit switched, its packet switch. Teksavvy will NEVER buy a "[# of customer]*[their DSL plan's speed]" ethernet link to BC. Also because of having to deliver all the CLEC DSL customer's traffic to a single point, over inter-CO links, BC suffers congestion.

In the united states, this case would be much different, and laughable. Teksavvy puts a DSLAM in the CO, and place connection order to ILEC. ILEC installs a DSL modem in the CO, and connects Teksavvy's customer's pair to the ILEC's DSLAM, then connects an ethernet port from the ILEC's DSLAM to the ILEC's DSL modem, then take the POTS pair from the ILEC's DSL modem and gives it to Teksavvy to plug into their DSLAM, and throttles between the ILEC DSL modem in the CO, and the ILEC DSLAM in the CO. For a final mess, look at the below.

[Teksavvy DSLAM in CO]--POTS--[ILEC DSL modem in same CO]--eth--[throttling server in same CO]--eth--[ILEC DSLAM in same CO]--POTS--[Teksavvy's customer's DSL modem at house]

lol

If it really was 3rd party DSL, you could get VDSL2, IDSL, ADSL2+, RADSL, UDSL, SDSL and SHDSL from Teksavvy for relatively the same price.