UnKown
The Underground Network
join:2002-09-08
Orlando, FL | reply to switchman
Re: BS
i know in my area you can go with a third party dsl line. something like covad, or dsl extreme. Also we have WISP's who arent to overly priced. though the initial equipment costs are high |
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wentlanc
You Can't Fix Dumb..
join:2003-07-30
Maineville, OH
| reply to openbox9
1 megagibbles per second = 321.013651 gigagobs per month (assuming that we are talking in a single direction)
Sound like too much to expect from your 20/2 connection, which is capable of transferring up to 6.5 teragobs in a month?
So what you are saying is that ~6% of the capacity that you are purchasing is too much usage??
REALLY?!
What percentage of the bandwidth that we purchase would you LIKE for us to be able to get?
cw |
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clecssuck
join:2002-01-23
Birmingham, AL | reply to cyberdude
Dialup costs more than DSL nowadays. Crazy! |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
 ·AT&T Southeast
| reply to wentlanc
Since I like the metric system, yes they are. So if envoid  transfers 500 Megagobs per month, does s/he require a dedicated connection? |
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wentlanc
You Can't Fix Dumb..
join:2003-07-30
Maineville, OH | reply to openbox9
Are those metric gobs??
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast
| reply to wentlanc
said by wentlanc :Because he does not need dedicated bandwidth. Really?said by envoid :i have GOBS of traffic managing servers all over the area |
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wentlanc
You Can't Fix Dumb..
join:2003-07-30
Maineville, OH | reply to openbox9
Because he does not need dedicated bandwidth. That is the advantage of dedicated service over a shared service like DSL or Cable.
cw |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast
| reply to wentlanc
said by wentlanc :A tremendous waste of his money. How can you make that determination? |
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wentlanc
You Can't Fix Dumb..
join:2003-07-30
Maineville, OH
| reply to openbox9
DSL and Cable connections are be definition a circuit. What you may have meant, but failed to mention, is a dedicated service, or private line service. A tremendous waste of his money. And BTW, some T1 services are merely throttled DSL connections because they are cheaper for the carrier to provide.
cw |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast
| reply to wentlanc
said by wentlanc :A T1 or DS3 circuit is not a DSL or cable connection Of course they aren't, that's why my original post referenced a business class circuit. |
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wentlanc
You Can't Fix Dumb..
join:2003-07-30
Maineville, OH
| reply to openbox9
said by openbox9 :said by wentlanc :Please describe in some logical detail, and in a fashion that can be compared against the business class service offering of any ISP, WHY this person's internet connection should be a business class connection. To avoid the caps? If envoid really transfers "gobs" of data, then s/he might enjoy a business account and the ability to transfer as much as the connection allows. said by wentlanc :There is in fact NOTHING about a business class account that is different than a residential account with the exception of service level, and advanced features. I beg to differ. A DS1 or DS3 circuit brings additional advantages compared to a DSL or cable connection. The business account does not differentiate how much data can be transferred. Please provide some proof that shows otherwise.
A T1 or DS3 circuit is not a DSL or cable connection, so I fail to see how you could differ. That is not a business grade account, that's private line service. You are comparing apples to antelopes.
cw |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast
| reply to wentlanc
said by wentlanc :Please describe in some logical detail, and in a fashion that can be compared against the business class service offering of any ISP, WHY this person's internet connection should be a business class connection. To avoid the caps? If envoid really transfers "gobs" of data, then s/he might enjoy a business account and the ability to transfer as much as the connection allows.said by wentlanc :There is in fact NOTHING about a business class account that is different than a residential account with the exception of service level, and advanced features. I beg to differ. A DS1 or DS3 circuit brings additional advantages compared to a DSL or cable connection. |
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wentlanc
You Can't Fix Dumb..
join:2003-07-30
Maineville, OH
| reply to openbox9
said by openbox9 :said by wentlanc :I'm wondering how envoid sounds like a prime candidate for this service to you? envoid appears to be using his connection to the Internet for business purposes. If envoid is truly reliant on a connection that doesn't inhibit his/her work, I'd recommend a business class circuit. I know that if funding my livelihood depended on my ability to access the Internet, I would have a much better setup than a residential connection from AT&T. In fact, I would most likely have a couple of connections to the Internet from different providers.
Please describe in some logical detail, and in a fashion that can be compared against the business class service offering of any ISP, WHY this person's internet connection should be a business class connection.
None of you supporters have been able to do this as of yet. There is in fact NOTHING about a business class account that is different than a residential account with the exception of service level, and advanced features. There is no usage related benefits to a business class account. I've asked this question many times, and nobody can produce an answer with any type of substantial support for the decision.
Again, I asked to understand it, and you just are not getting me there. Please try again.
cw |
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Noah Vail
Premium
join:2004-12-10
Lorton, VA
 ·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to openbox9
said by openbox9 :If envoid is truly reliant on a connection that doesn't inhibit his/her work, I'd recommend a business class circuit. Why?
said by openbox9 :I know that if funding my livelihood depended on my ability to access the Internet, I would have a much better setup than a residential connection from AT&T. I do have a better setup than a residential connection from AT&T. I have a residential connection from Brighthouse. I use it to manage my business clients.
Point to point, it is the same connection that my business clients have, sans the static IP. There is no difference in performance or reliability. Paying 800% extra for the business line would gain me nothing.
The work I do is a lighter network load than a residential user who streams a radio station or watches a movie. My ISP isn't taxed a bit by it.
said by openbox9 :In fact, I would most likely have a couple of connections to the Internet from different providers. I keep an aircard in my van attached to an EVDO router. It's always on if not always in use. I suppose that might serve as a backup. Or my phone can morph into a HSUPA hotspot, if I get desperate.
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cyberdude
@rr.com | reply to wentlanc
I'll just go back to dial up and simplify my habits online!
I don't do the gaming or major downloads anyway! |
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switchman
join:1999-11-06
Grand Prairie, TX | reply to wentlanc
It is kind of hard to vote with your wallet when you only have two choices and they both are saying you want service, it is metered. If you want to be totally without, then yes you can vote with your wallet. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast
| reply to wentlanc
said by wentlanc :I'm wondering how envoid sounds like a prime candidate for this service to you? envoid appears to be using his connection to the Internet for business purposes. If envoid is truly reliant on a connection that doesn't inhibit his/her work, I'd recommend a business class circuit. I know that if funding my livelihood depended on my ability to access the Internet, I would have a much better setup than a residential connection from AT&T. In fact, I would most likely have a couple of connections to the Internet from different providers. |
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hihi
join:2007-05-06
Port Orange, FL
| reply to hayabusa3303
said by hayabusa3303 :said by TKJunkMail :said by The_Dude :
I think this is total BS!!!!!!!!! I just won't have Internet if they want to keep pushing shit like this!
Peace
Right. Cut off your nose to spite your face. hey i was without internet for a month didnt bother me all that much. Alot of people are just plain hooked on the internet like a drug. alot ppl need internet for many uses
can u live without it?
you had no choice but why do without it??? |
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hihi
join:2007-05-06
Port Orange, FL | reply to The_Dude
Just paid them a flat monthly fee
if they cut off connection...
Their loss. |
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NetAdmin
CCNA
join:2008-05-22
| reply to TKJunkMail
said by TKJunkMail :A specific internet vendor and NO internet at all are 2 different things. Very, very few would go without any internet access no matter what they say here. I am sure that point was obvious. To most anyway. From what I can gather in previous discussions like this, you are a "let the market decide" and "vote with your wallet" disciple. Now you are actively discouraging someone from that course of action?
That disconnect is quite obvious, except for some.
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