Re: BS in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r21508537 en Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:54:53 EDT Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:54:53 EDT Re: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21531913 UnKown : i know in my area you can go with a third party dsl line. something like covad, or dsl extreme. Also we have WISP's who arent to overly priced. though the initial equipment costs are high]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21531913 Fri, 05 Dec 2008 10:42:37 EDT Re: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21520027 wentlanc : 1 megagibbles per second = 321.013651 gigagobs per month (assuming that we are talking in a single direction)

Sound like too much to expect from your 20/2 connection, which is capable of transferring up to 6.5 teragobs in a month?

So what you are saying is that ~6% of the capacity that you are purchasing is too much usage??

REALLY?!

What percentage of the bandwidth that we purchase would you LIKE for us to be able to get?

cw]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21520027 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 10:39:30 EDT Re: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21516847 clecssuck : Dialup costs more than DSL nowadays. Crazy!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21516847 Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:23:33 EDT Re: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21515990 openbox9 : Since I like the metric system, yes they are. So if envoid See Profile transfers 500 Megagobs per month, does s/he require a dedicated connection?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21515990 Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:47:11 EDT Re: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21515902 wentlanc : Are those metric gobs??

:uhh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21515902 Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:33:58 EDT Re: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21515876 openbox9 :
said by wentlanc See Profile :

Because he does not need dedicated bandwidth.
Really?
said by envoid See Profile :

i have GOBS of traffic managing servers all over the area
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21515876 Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:27:34 EDT Re: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21515583 wentlanc : Because he does not need dedicated bandwidth. That is the advantage of dedicated service over a shared service like DSL or Cable.

cw]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21515583 Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:35:55 EDT Re: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21515427 openbox9 :
said by wentlanc See Profile :

A tremendous waste of his money.
How can you make that determination?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21515427 Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:10:10 EDT Re: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21515414 wentlanc : DSL and Cable connections are be definition a circuit. What you may have meant, but failed to mention, is a dedicated service, or private line service. A tremendous waste of his money. And BTW, some T1 services are merely throttled DSL connections because they are cheaper for the carrier to provide.

cw]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21515414 Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:07:13 EDT Re: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21515353 openbox9 :
said by wentlanc See Profile :

A T1 or DS3 circuit is not a DSL or cable connection
Of course they aren't, that's why my original post referenced a business class circuit.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21515353 Tue, 02 Dec 2008 13:56:19 EDT Re: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21515232 wentlanc :
said by openbox9 See Profile :

said by wentlanc See Profile :

Please describe in some logical detail, and in a fashion that can be compared against the business class service offering of any ISP, WHY this person's internet connection should be a business class connection.
To avoid the caps? If envoid See Profile really transfers "gobs" of data, then s/he might enjoy a business account and the ability to transfer as much as the connection allows.
said by wentlanc See Profile :

There is in fact NOTHING about a business class account that is different than a residential account with the exception of service level, and advanced features.
I beg to differ. A DS1 or DS3 circuit brings additional advantages compared to a DSL or cable connection.
The business account does not differentiate how much data can be transferred. Please provide some proof that shows otherwise.

A T1 or DS3 circuit is not a DSL or cable connection, so I fail to see how you could differ. That is not a business grade account, that's private line service. You are comparing apples to antelopes.

cw]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21515232 Tue, 02 Dec 2008 13:38:38 EDT Re: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21514873 openbox9 :
said by wentlanc See Profile :

Please describe in some logical detail, and in a fashion that can be compared against the business class service offering of any ISP, WHY this person's internet connection should be a business class connection.
To avoid the caps? If envoid See Profile really transfers "gobs" of data, then s/he might enjoy a business account and the ability to transfer as much as the connection allows.
said by wentlanc See Profile :

There is in fact NOTHING about a business class account that is different than a residential account with the exception of service level, and advanced features.
I beg to differ. A DS1 or DS3 circuit brings additional advantages compared to a DSL or cable connection.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21514873 Tue, 02 Dec 2008 12:42:29 EDT Re: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21513402 wentlanc :
said by openbox9 See Profile :

said by wentlanc See Profile :

I'm wondering how envoid sounds like a prime candidate for this service to you?
envoid See Profile appears to be using his connection to the Internet for business purposes. If envoid See Profile is truly reliant on a connection that doesn't inhibit his/her work, I'd recommend a business class circuit. I know that if funding my livelihood depended on my ability to access the Internet, I would have a much better setup than a residential connection from AT&T. In fact, I would most likely have a couple of connections to the Internet from different providers.


Please describe in some logical detail, and in a fashion that can be compared against the business class service offering of any ISP, WHY this person's internet connection should be a business class connection.

None of you supporters have been able to do this as of yet. There is in fact NOTHING about a business class account that is different than a residential account with the exception of service level, and advanced features. There is no usage related benefits to a business class account. I've asked this question many times, and nobody can produce an answer with any type of substantial support for the decision.

Again, I asked to understand it, and you just are not getting me there. Please try again.

cw]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21513402 Tue, 02 Dec 2008 07:23:02 EDT Re: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21512301 Noah Vail :
said by openbox9 See Profile :

If envoid See Profile is truly reliant on a connection that doesn't inhibit his/her work, I'd recommend a business class circuit.
Why?

said by openbox9 See Profile :

I know that if funding my livelihood depended on my ability to access the Internet, I would have a much better setup than a residential connection from AT&T.
I do have a better setup than a residential connection from AT&T. I have a residential connection from Brighthouse. I use it to manage my business clients.

Point to point, it is the same connection that my business clients have, sans the static IP. There is no difference in performance or reliability. Paying 800% extra for the business line would gain me nothing.

The work I do is a lighter network load than a residential user who streams a radio station or watches a movie. My ISP isn't taxed a bit by it.

said by openbox9 See Profile :

In fact, I would most likely have a couple of connections to the Internet from different providers.
I keep an aircard in my van attached to an EVDO router. It's always on if not always in use. I suppose that might serve as a backup. Or my phone can morph into a HSUPA hotspot, if I get desperate.

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I don't do the gaming or major downloads anyway!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21510796 Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:40:29 EDT Re: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21511049 switchman : It is kind of hard to vote with your wallet when you only have two choices and they both are saying you want service, it is metered. If you want to be totally without, then yes you can vote with your wallet.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21511049 Mon, 01 Dec 2008 18:58:57 EDT Re: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21510987 openbox9 :
said by wentlanc See Profile :

I'm wondering how envoid sounds like a prime candidate for this service to you?
envoid See Profile appears to be using his connection to the Internet for business purposes. If envoid See Profile is truly reliant on a connection that doesn't inhibit his/her work, I'd recommend a business class circuit. I know that if funding my livelihood depended on my ability to access the Internet, I would have a much better setup than a residential connection from AT&T. In fact, I would most likely have a couple of connections to the Internet from different providers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21510987 Mon, 01 Dec 2008 18:48:39 EDT Re: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21509842 hihi :
said by hayabusa3303 See Profile :

said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

said by The_Dude :

I think this is total BS!!!!!!!!! I just won't have Internet if they want to keep pushing shit like this!

Peace
Right. Cut off your nose to spite your face.
hey i was without internet for a month didnt bother me all that much. Alot of people are just plain hooked on the internet like a drug.
alot ppl need internet for many uses
can u live without it?
you had no choice but why do without it???]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21509842 Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:22:03 EDT Re: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21509823 hihi : Just paid them a flat monthly fee
if they cut off connection...
Their loss.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21509823 Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:17:51 EDT Re: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21509592 NetAdmin :
said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

A specific internet vendor and NO internet at all are 2 different things. Very, very few would go without any internet access no matter what they say here. I am sure that point was obvious. To most anyway.
From what I can gather in previous discussions like this, you are a "let the market decide" and "vote with your wallet" disciple. Now you are actively discouraging someone from that course of action?

That disconnect is quite obvious, except for some.
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said by Comcast :

With speeds up to 5 times as fast as DSL, our extensive fiber-optic network delivers the performance and reliability your business needs to succeed.
Please, help me understand this...

cw]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21509088 Mon, 01 Dec 2008 12:58:06 EDT Re: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21508943 openbox9 :
said by envoid See Profile :

i have GOBS of traffic managing servers all over the area. this would kill me and make it totally unaffordable to have or even be able to work.
Sounds like you're a primary candidate for a business class circuit.
said by envoid See Profile :

they really need to remove "unlimited internet" from any and all of their advertising then.
That was done quite some time ago.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21508943 Mon, 01 Dec 2008 12:28:08 EDT Re: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21508716 envoid :
said by hayabusa3303 See Profile :

said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

said by The_Dude :

I think this is total BS!!!!!!!!! I just won't have Internet if they want to keep pushing shit like this!

Peace
Right. Cut off your nose to spite your face.
hey i was without internet for a month didnt bother me all that much. Alot of people are just plain hooked on the internet like a drug.
i can't be without it... i work from home. have to actually, and my company won't pay for internet. and i have GOBS of traffic managing servers all over the area. this would kill me and make it totally unaffordable to have or even be able to work. f'n money-grubbing is all it is.

side note... if they do this they really need to remove "unlimited internet" from any and all of their advertising then. that would just be a blatant lie if they kept that. sorta is now with comcast but the big companies fear not the DoJ or FCC or FTC. especially at&t.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21508716 Mon, 01 Dec 2008 11:42:53 EDT Re: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21508684 wentlanc : Actually, no. I was being quite sarcastic because others here seem to be the ones who have such a stake in these telcos. I would happily go to my local coffee shop to pay bills. Or do it from work. Whichever.

cw]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21508684 Mon, 01 Dec 2008 11:36:04 EDT Re: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21508675 TKJunkMail :
said by NetAdmin See Profile :

said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

said by The_Dude :

I think this is total BS!!!!!!!!! I just won't have Internet if they want to keep pushing shit like this!

Peace
Right. Cut off your nose to spite your face.
What happened to voting with your wallet?
A specific internet vendor and NO internet at all are 2 different things. Very, very few would go without any internet access no matter what they say here. I am sure that point was obvious. To most anyway.
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said by wentlanc See Profile :

Voting with your wallet is not good for some people's stock portfolios.
You must have stock in T then i guess by your remark?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21508663 Mon, 01 Dec 2008 11:32:05 EDT Re: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21508647 wentlanc : Voting with your wallet is not good for some people's stock portfolios. Oh, they talk about it in a feeble attempt to make a point, but complain about it when it is put into practice.

:huh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21508647 Mon, 01 Dec 2008 11:28:58 EDT Re: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21508623 hayabusa3303 : that would take ALOT of people before something would happen tho. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21508623 Mon, 01 Dec 2008 11:23:30 EDT Re: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21508607 NetAdmin :
said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

said by The_Dude :

I think this is total BS!!!!!!!!! I just won't have Internet if they want to keep pushing shit like this!

Peace
Right. Cut off your nose to spite your face.
What happened to voting with your wallet?
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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

said by The_Dude :

I think this is total BS!!!!!!!!! I just won't have Internet if they want to keep pushing shit like this!

Peace
Right. Cut off your nose to spite your face.
hey i was without internet for a month didnt bother me all that much. Alot of people are just plain hooked on the internet like a drug. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21508575 Mon, 01 Dec 2008 11:14:54 EDT Re: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21508537 TKJunkMail :
said by The_Dude :

I think this is total BS!!!!!!!!! I just won't have Internet if they want to keep pushing shit like this!

Peace
Right. Cut off your nose to spite your face.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21508537 Mon, 01 Dec 2008 11:08:03 EDT BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21508348 anon : I think this is total BS!!!!!!!!! I just won't have Internet if they want to keep pushing shit like this!

Peace]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21508348 Mon, 01 Dec 2008 10:32:38 EDT