| UDP for uTorrent has one REAL purpose - avoid ISP throttling All this talk about the motives of those who have designed in UDP file transfers for P2P apps being altruistic is pure BS. UDP is being made the default protocol for 1 reason - to bypass those ISPs that are still throttling P2P traffic. Any other reason being given is PR activity to put a friendly face on the continued attempts to facilitate copyright infringement.
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 jmn1207Premium
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Ashburn, VA | In the end, everything will be throttled unless it is coming directly from the ISP, chock-full of advertising and user information gathering irritants. I really don't think this will happen, but it is with a bit of a nervous laugh when I joke. |
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 RaptorNot a Dumptruck
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London, ON | reply to fAcEtIOUs
said by fAcEtIOUs:Any other reason being given is PR activity to put a friendly face on the continued attempts to facilitate copyright infringement. And don't forget get kiddie porn, that's all the internet is used for. 
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 The LimitPremium
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That's right Tk, assume that ALL P2P is copyright infringement. First of all, instead of making these BS assumptions, why not provide some evidence to support your claim? |
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 en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | reply to jmn1207
Just as ISP's have a couple of reasons for capping.
1. Easy profit (easy to push the 'average' user off a very usable 3-6Mbps connection to a more expensive +10Mbps connection)
2. Cheap way to manage usage... and make profit at the same time.
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said by fAcEtIOUs:All this talk about the motives of those who have designed in UDP file transfers for P2P apps being altruistic is pure BS. UDP is being made the default protocol for 1 reason - to bypass those ISPs that are still throttling P2P traffic. Any other reason being given is PR activity to put a friendly face on the continued attempts to facilitate copyright infringement. Good grief. Not everyone is on dope, Mr. Hand! |
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said by The Limit:That's right Tk, assume that ALL P2P is copyright infringement. First of all, instead of making these BS assumptions, why not provide some evidence to support your claim? I never made any such assumption. There are legal uses of the P2P applications. But for you to deny that they are in the minority is self-serving. The majority of uses for the P2P applications are to steal music and movies.
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| That's like saying "there are legitimate uses for guns, but we all know most of the guns used are for robbing and terrorism" |
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 brandonSome truth included in this post.Premium
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Hurley, MS | said by bdanalogy1 :
That's like saying "there are legitimate uses for guns, but we all know most of the guns used are for robbing and terrorism"
No, it's not. Most use of firearms is completely legal. Most use of P2P isn't. Period.
Even if you still think the analogy is bad, it doesn't change the facts. Most p2p use is illegal. It's not an opinion. It's a fact. |
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said by fAcEtIOUs:said by The Limit:That's right Tk, assume that ALL P2P is copyright infringement. First of all, instead of making these BS assumptions, why not provide some evidence to support your claim? I never made any such assumption. There are legal uses of the P2P applications. But for you to deny that they are in the minority is self-serving. The majority of uses for the P2P applications are to steal music and movies. What happened to your John McCain support icon, TK ? Deserting your friend after he lost ?
He was as out of touch with reality as you. Stand together !
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Brandon
While I am strongly against gun control, I think the legal/illegal use of firearms is highly dependent on location. For instance I would place a fairly high wager that the vast majority of rounds fired in St. Louis county (Mo) were fired illegally (just step outside for an hour after dark before midnight). On the other hand I would bet the vast majority of rounds fired in Tripp county(SD) were fired legally(and probably only 10% of the number of rounds that are fired in St Louis, despite Tripp being a major hunting area). |
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Troy, NY | reply to brandon
said by brandon:Even if you still think the analogy is bad, it doesn't change the facts. Most p2p use is illegal. It's not an opinion. It's a fact. Is it a fact? Can you provide evidence for this? And "everybody knows" doesn't count- remember, everybody knew the Earth was flat five thousand years ago.
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KearnstdElf WizardPremium
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Mullica Hill, NJ | reply to fAcEtIOUs
and caps and throttling are just putting a happy face on making the movie overlords happy.
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said by Rogue Wolf:Is it a fact? Can you provide evidence for this? And "everybody knows" doesn't count- remember, everybody knew the Earth was flat five thousand years ago. I stated yesterday that nobody was foolish enough to claim that most P2P usage was legal; I guess I was wrong.
The millions of DMCA notices that have been cranked out to date should be a nice yardstick to help gauge just how wonderfully legal the majority of P2P use is. |
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| said by espaeth:The millions of DMCA notices that have been cranked out to date should be a nice yardstick to help gauge just how wonderfully legal the majority of P2P use is. I have it on good authority that those DMCA notices went to people who are using computers to commit their violations.
That would be an equally nice yardstick to help gauge just how wonderfully legal the majority of computer use is.
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Yet, you still haven't provided evidence whatsoever. Everyone keeps saying that "everyone knows this, or everyone knows that." You're argument isn't valid until you can prove otherwise, with UNBIASED evidence.
I am not arguing for or against p2p. I rarely p2p, if anything, the closest I get to "copyright infringement" is streaming a movie on a web page.
All I'm asking is instead of throwing out "millions this" or questionable statistics, prove to me that the majority of p2p is illegal.
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And yet there are no studies, no evidence what so ever on the legal and illegal usage of P2P networks. |
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said by espaeth:The millions of DMCA notices that have been cranked out to date should be a nice yardstick to help gauge just how wonderfully legal the majority of P2P use is. Speaking of "everybody knows", a huge number of those notices are fake. A huge number of the remainder are for individual songs or very few files (wow, 4MB, that really compares to my Fedora 10 download the other day).
Trusting the RIAA/MPAA for statistics on file sharing is like trusting the NRA statistics for gun control. They have a vested interest; try independent research instead.
PS, I'm not saying you're wrong -- but your sources are terrible.
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