Pricing out both sides of their.... in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r21510332 en Mon, 30 Nov 2009 11:39:39 EDT Mon, 30 Nov 2009 11:39:39 EDT Re: More... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21529171 anon : TKJunkMail See Profile]
Comcast hasn't taken the next step YET - but it is coming as has been seen with other ISPs. And that is "bill by bytes transferred" billing tiers and overage fees.
would "bill by kilobytes sent" billing be so bad?

(it simply means that the sender of the data pays but not the receiver.
sound familiar? this is how the postal and telegram works. Bonus! Advertisers might then consider how big their fancy flash ads are)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21529171 Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:10:36 EDT Re: More... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21521845 anon : stop being conservatives, this is 2008, every house should have 20Mbps+ connections already, unfiltered, uncapped. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21521845 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:13:17 EDT Re: More... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21521308 VictorWI :
said by badtrip See Profile :

Just because my browser doesn't render a picture doesn't mean the data needed to render that picture wasn't sent. My point was I come to this forum to share in everyone's views, I'd happily pay for that. A pic of McCain/Palin, not so much.
Ah, I don't think you understand how browsers work. They request the picture to be sent. A text browser will not as it does not know how to render it. It will only bring down the IMG tag, not the referenced image.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21521308 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 14:30:50 EDT Re: More... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21520144 badtrip : Exactly.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21520144 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 10:58:39 EDT Re: More... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21515382 openbox9 :
said by badtrip See Profile :

My point was I come to this forum to share in everyone's views, I'd happily pay for that. A pic of McCain/Palin, not so much.
That's equivalent to saying that you only want one of the articles on the front page of a news site to be delivered even though you're requesting the whole page. What about the header and footer on each page here at DSLR? Why should you have to pay to receive those bits when you most likely aren't interested in them?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21515382 Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:01:47 EDT Re: More... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21515306 anon : Another option in a pay by the byte system is to drive someone off the net by constantly hitting their system with data. A normal DOS or DDOS could force someone to leave the Internet just because the of the cost even if that person never did anything more on the Internet than check for email. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21515306 Tue, 02 Dec 2008 13:49:33 EDT Re: More... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21515013 badtrip :
said by openbox9 See Profile :

Then you probably shouldn't visit this site, or sites like this. If you don't want to view avatars, you can always block images, or better yet, use a text-based browser.
Just because my browser doesn't render a picture doesn't mean the data needed to render that picture wasn't sent. My point was I come to this forum to share in everyone's views, I'd happily pay for that. A pic of McCain/Palin, not so much.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21515013 Tue, 02 Dec 2008 13:05:55 EDT Re: More... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21513692 jc100 : Ya... as by the byte model, one size fits all is a good theory. Next time you go to the doctor, don't tell them your ailment. One size fits all. Penicillin will work for your cure all. You might have a major illness. but penicillin is the cure. Trust me. One size fits all by your logic.

Isps would be smart to just offer several tiers, contrary to your lack of every having logic. One for minor users and with caps, one for the moderate users and with caps, and one for the extreme users, and unlimited. Give consumers the choice. Not only can you turn a profit as most people go to the cheapest or moderate tier, and consume less, but you'll be reaping an extra cost from your heavy users.

Logic.. the absence of it in your posts always amazes me.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21513692 Tue, 02 Dec 2008 09:11:23 EDT Re: More... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21513667 SSidlov :
said by badtrip See Profile :

No offense, but I don't want to pay to view anyone's avatars on this forum and I certainly do not want to pay to view banner and flash ads.

Then you will like this article: »www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/02···g_study/ which reports on a 'green' browsing study and accuses Flash et al, as consuming more wattage on our computers....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21513667 Tue, 02 Dec 2008 09:04:35 EDT Re: More... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21513382 openbox9 : I got the point very well. Some people want to use a service unfettered with minimal consequences, but they aren't willing to pay appropriately.

How much money does it cost to leave my TV plugged in to an electrical outlet? How much will my water and gas bills rise with a guest staying in the house? The concept of pay for what you use has been around for quite some time and I don't expect to see it go away.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21513382 Tue, 02 Dec 2008 07:02:49 EDT Re: More... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21511465 DataDoc : You've missed the point completely. Think of the difference between sites that are text based and those that use Flash for everything possible. You don't know how many bytes you're about to get until you're there. And how many bytes is a Google map? or weather information?

Who knows? Nobody,until you get your bill.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21511465 Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:07:54 EDT Re: More... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21510803 openbox9 : Then you probably shouldn't visit this site, or sites like this. If you don't want to view avatars, you can always block images, or better yet, use a text-based browser.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21510803 Mon, 01 Dec 2008 18:13:04 EDT Re: More... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21510719 badtrip : Bill by bytes is ridiculous. A good portion of the bytes that are transferred to my box are unwanted and unasked for. No offense, but I don't want to pay to view anyone's avatars on this forum and I certainly do not want to pay to view banner and flash ads.

As for overages, these guys are trying to use a drought-time water utility payment model for internet service. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21510719 Mon, 01 Dec 2008 17:57:46 EDT Pricing out both sides of their.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21510332 Noah Vail :
said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

Comcast hasn't taken the next step YET - but it is coming as has been seen with other ISPs. And that is "bill by bytes transferred" billing tiers and overage fees.
Billing-by-the-byte for consumption users, of course; with Emma Email and Wilford Webby still paying the same amount for their 1MB/mo.

Amazing how one pricing policy will be 'fair' for one type of consumer while it'll take a different pricing policy to create 'fairness' for another type of consumer.

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said by iansltx See Profile :

As bad as it sounds, that'll be a good thing. Network neutrality will come home even more, to anyone who plays games, and people will start complaining. Loudly.
No it won't. More and more ISPs will learn from Comcast. Throttle ALL bandwidth and not be protocol specific. That won't break any current or future network neutrality provisions.

Comcast hasn't taken the next step YET - but it is coming as has been seen with other ISPs. And that is "bill by bytes transferred" billing tiers and overage fees.
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UDP makes up roughly 2% of all Internet traffic today, and generally isn't used for data delivery because it doesn't guarantee either the delivery or the quality of the data being delivered.


Does this mean that once all BT clients switch to this and the UDP traffic goes up to be 10% of all Internet traffic flow, we can get rid of these stupid, fake survey's they say all the Internet traffic is BT because now they have the entire UDP graph to see that most of the traffic is people watching paid movies online? :D

Just a thought....
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said by Jerm See Profile :

This is going to KILL gamers when the ISPs react - all of a sudden your UDP game traffic will be shaped/throttled and completely kill your ping.

Way to go uTP! (not)
Might actually be the issue that gets Joe Six Pack to actually realize something is wrong then, rather then those of us who are in the small minority and know what this is about.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21509922 Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:35:16 EDT Re: More... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21509902 Mashiki : Only until the bulk of content moves away from traditional media and towards the net. So it simply boils down to time.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21509902 Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:32:20 EDT Re: More... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21509893 Jerm : This is going to KILL gamers when the ISPs react - all of a sudden your UDP game traffic will be shaped/throttled and completely kill your ping.

Way to go uTP! (not)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21509893 Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:30:25 EDT More... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21509707 MemphisPCGuy : must download more ... brains!!!!!

With caps in place by the largest ISP and the others following suit, does it really matter any more?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21509707 Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:57:36 EDT