| ISP Bashing There are a lot of accusations flying around here.
For those whiners that are complaining, do the math. It is unrealistic to think that for $50 per month, you can use the whole pipe all the time. I don't care whether it is ADSL, a cable modem or wireless, that is simply not realistic.
On the other hand, if you purchase business grade connectivity, then you can use it as much as you want, but then you are talking about T-1's at $350 - 400 per month or business grade wireless at $200 to 500 per month.
There is a saying in the racing industry. "speed costs money, how fast can you afford to go?"
The Internet is not free, those big routers can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. When people are complaining about not getting unlimited downloads on a $50 per month connection, you should really consider what you are getting and the costs of getting it from here to there.
Most ISP's would love to be able to sell you an unlimited 100 meg connection to the Internet for $50 per month. The business model doesn't work so well when they have to pay $25,000 *per month* for a 45 meg connection. |
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 Ikyuao
join:2007-02-26
Wichita, KS
 ·Cox HSI
2 edits | Agreed. An internet isn't free because big routers aren't cheap it costs of thousands of dollars. I think that uTorrent needs back off of trying to use UDP, Trying using UDP is total completely utter bullshit. UDP should be used for gaming online, DNS nameservers, voice IP and other time sensitive applications that use UDP. If uTorrent want to continue to share over net then just use TCP there is no such magically trying use with UDP get around with ISP throttling issues.
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64K TCP WIN is officially dead for long high latency fat network connection across internet. |
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| reply to Visitor99899
ISPs have received billions in subsidies from governments. Why should I care if they decided to invest in advertising and administration instead of infrastructure. |
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mrg123
join:2004-02-05
Berthoud, CO | reply to Visitor99899
I wish that, rather than bandwidth or data transfer caps, ISP's would sell service with a guaranteed rate that's pretty low (say 128kbits/sec to 256kbits/sec) and a much higher max rate (many mbits/sec), with a rate limiter such as "token bucket" to provide a transition between the two. Maybe I can accumulate a few gigabytes of "credit" that I can use at the max rate (when my "bucket" isn't empty). If I do a big download and use up my "credit", then I'm limited to my min rate until I stop and allow more credit to accumulate.
Additionally, it would be nice if there was some intelligence on the ISP side in picking which incoming packets to drop (please don't drop my VOIP or DNS, but have at it with P2P or other large transfers).
While this won't make your average P2P pirate happy, it would serve the rest of us pretty well. |
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| WHY didn't Utorrent (Bittorrent Co. Ltd.) RELEASE its uTP spec.!!!????
Isn't it trying to MONOPOLIZE its bittorrent community!!!!! IT IS BAD FOR FILE TRADERS round the globe!!!
Don't use udp transfer!!!! UNLESS it open its spec.!!!!
Just DROP TCP RST flag is ENOUGH to beat ISP throttle  |
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| uTP spec ...because you don't release protocol specifications you expect to change. That's like telling people "Oh look, we made this spec, everyone implement it." Then, 2 weeks later "Sorry guys, we implemented this extension that is incompatible with the old version so fix yours or pack up and go home".
If they implement it on a production client and still don't release the spec, then your argument will hold water. |
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Ikyuao
join:2007-02-26
Wichita, KS | reply to Malicious Intent
Re: ISP Bashing Agreed! That dropping two TCP flags of PSH,RST is ENOUGH to beat bullying ISP throttle! |
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