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badtrip
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reply to amigo_boy

Re: Good luck.. But a Longshot...

said by amigo_boy:

I believe it was the government who wanted to keep it secret due to national security reasons. Not the telcos.
So there was no lobbying done by the telcos to get this "so-called immunity" passed? Bullshit. The telcos wanted immunity even more so than the gov't. The telcos stand to lose billions of dollars in reparations and customer confidence.

To say the telcos don't want this kept secret is ridiculous.

amigo_boy

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said by badtrip:

To say the telcos don't want this kept secret is ridiculous.
I never heard the telcos nor the government deny that the surveillance took place. Even the government admitted that it had. That's why the trial judge dismissed the government's motion that revealing the certification in public would compromise national security. (The trial judge said that, because the government had already discussed it publicly on news shows, they'd already compromised national security.).

Even the basis of the so-called "immunity" was that the telcos had to prove they received certification from the executive branch -- not that they had to prove it didn't happen.

The whole thing explicitly or implicitly admitted that it happened.

The reason the telcos lobbied for assistance was because they didn't want to go through the costly, time-consuming cost of a personal-injury trial. They didn't care whether the details of the "certification" was public or private. It was the government that wanted to keep those details private. The telcos participated in that when they didn't have to. They could have made it public, invoked 2511, and that would have been the end of the trial.

Mark

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