They raised the monthly Ontario Permanent Disability cheque in Canadian Chat http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r21517177 en Mon, 14 Dec 2009 23:11:09 EDT Mon, 14 Dec 2009 23:11:09 EDT Re: They raised the monthly Ontario Permanent Disability cheque http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21523507 BigSensFan :
said by dennilfloss See Profile :

said by BigSensFan See Profile :

You dont have to answer me Denil, but what exactly is your disability
I suffer from myalgic encephalomyelitis (aka chronic fatigue syndrome).
Glad you translated because the technical term made me go HUH.

I have heard of people suffering from that, it can be pretty devastating as you are no longer physically able to do things you once did with ease ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21523507 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:49:19 EDT Re: They raised the monthly Ontario Permanent Disability cheque http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21523362 dennilfloss :
said by BigSensFan See Profile :

You dont have to answer me Denil, but what exactly is your disability
I suffer from myalgic encephalomyelitis (aka chronic fatigue syndrome).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21523362 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:23:19 EDT Re: They raised the monthly Ontario Permanent Disability cheque http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21522670 dirtyjeffer :
said by Bender2000 See Profile :

GST reduction has less impact with poorer people than people with $$ because the GST is on consumer goods that poor people typically buy less of because they're poor! For instance, groceries has no GST, but a brand new shiny car does.
people always mention the big ticket items, but there are plenty of smaller ticket items that it does apply to...utility bills, bus passes, newspapers/magazines, all "non food" groceries (like shampoo, toilet paper and toothpaste), etc.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21522670 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 18:31:52 EDT Re: They raised the monthly Ontario Permanent Disability cheque http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21522561 Rifleman : According to this----the OP is living about 600 a month under the poverty line.
Common Measures of Relative Poverty:

· Statistics Canada’s Low Income Cut-off (LICO) is one of the most widely used measures of poverty. Households that spend disproportionate amounts of their pre-tax income on food, clothing and shelter – 20% above the average family – are considered low income. LICOs vary by household and population size.

· 2002 Before-Tax LICOs for Toronto (from the National Council of Welfare, based on 2.2% inflation over 2001 LICOs):

è 1-person household = $19,256; 2-person = $24,069

è 3-person = $29,934; 4-person = $36,235

è 5-person = $40,505; 6-person = $44,775;

è 7-person = $49,043]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21522561 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 18:14:39 EDT Re: They raised the monthly Ontario Permanent Disability cheque http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21522502 Snickerdo :
said by Bender2000 See Profile :

GST reduction has less impact with poorer people than people with $$ because the GST is on consumer goods that poor people typically buy less of because they're poor! For instance, groceries has no GST, but a brand new shiny car does.
You missed the point. The point I was trying to make is that someone on ODSP doesn't pay income tax. As a result, no amount of income tax cuts will be of any benefit to them, while a GST cut - however small - DOES have an impact.
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said by Mark Z See Profile :

GST? Someone with such a low income might save $100 a year at most. Very ineffective way to return our money to us.
Actually, considering people on ODSP and OW don't pay any income tax on the money they get (at least the last time I checked, and even if they do they're pretty close to being below the personal exemption anyway), a GST cut is really the -only- way to pass on any sort of tax savings to them.
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I'm glad they finally came around on bumping up the ODSP rates after almost a decade of Mike the Knife freezes.

GST? Someone with such a low income might save $100 a year at most. Very ineffective way to return our money to us.
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said by bluebaron2 See Profile :

You don't have to answer me either BigSensFan but what difference does it make?
I will answer, to me it makes no difference. I was just wondering about a possible retraining opportunity. Heck I know I could not live on 1000 a month, and I imagine he would like more]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21521882 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:09:14 EDT Re: They raised the monthly Ontario Permanent Disability cheque http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21521873 bluebaron2 : You don't have to answer me either BigSensFan but what difference does it make?
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That always bothered me---why whould someone on welfare or mother's allowance go work a minimum wage job when they get penalized for it? Not to mention the free drugs and dental.
It's a dumb setup and don't know how to fix it but a grand a month must be damn tight and damn depressing. Even double that doesn't allow for much extra. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21521806 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 15:57:28 EDT Re: They raised the monthly Ontario Permanent Disability cheque http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21521692 dennilfloss : I am allowed a few hours each month. Just have to ask in advance. For example, up to 4 years ago, I was teaching one spring course at the University of Ottawa, meaning ~24h per month. My cheque was lowered accordingly (i.e. I was getting nothing during those 4 months). There is a $200 (I think) exemption. If you earn less than that, your cheque is not affected.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21521692 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 15:38:26 EDT Re: They raised the monthly Ontario Permanent Disability cheque http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21521678 Snickerdo :
said by Rifleman See Profile :

How the hell do you manage on that kind of money? How does ODSP work? If you could somehow manage to work a couple hours a day to better your life-----do they allow that?
I'm pretty sure he can earn up to a certain amount per month before they start cutting back his benefits, and even when they start cutting back I believe it's only something like 50 cents for every dollar you earn. It's similar to OW, but not quite as stringent.
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I just had to turn down 2 job offers----one was driving a school bus. I paid for the medical involved and failed the hearing test. It was 2 hours a day for 65 bucks a day---perfect for me. I could manage that.
Then they offered me one driving a class B mail truck so I called my insurance company. BIG MISTAKE.
ANY employment for renumeration gets me cut off regardless of my health. Which could get worse any time. Now theyre hassling me for more medical tests which I pay out of pocket. I should have stayed home on my ass as usual.
Now the military is different. They can be collecting disability and working full time in civilian sector. Doesn't matter what may be wrong-----or may not be. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21521097 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 13:48:20 EDT Re: They raised the monthly Ontario Permanent Disability cheque http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21519926 horsemouth :
said by dirtyjeffer See Profile :

said by horsemouth See Profile :

People also tend to forget that part of apt. rent goes to pay GST. I just shake my head in disbelief when some people say "most of my money goes to food and rent. The GST is no big deal for me"
in all fairness, i doubt people's rent went down from the GST...i am sure that would have simply increased the margins by 1%, if that is even affected by GST...i would have thought rent money was tax exempt to begin with, and the rent money would be considered income or revenue for the landlord.
You are right that rent did not go down for most but there was less pressure on the landlord to put it up. Don't forget that a landlord pays GST on almost everything he buys for the building and has no way to recoup the tax as other business do. ex. tax credit.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21519926 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 10:20:33 EDT Re: They raised the monthly Ontario Permanent Disability cheque http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21519871 Clipper :
said by horsemouth See Profile :

People also tend to forget that part of apt. rent goes to pay GST. I just shake my head in disbelief when some people say "most of my money goes to food and rent. The GST is no big deal for me"
I don't about anyone else, but my rent didn't go down because of the GST cut.

And much like the $5 drink and sandwich deal at my local mom & pop sub shop, I'm sure there's many, many instances where a retailer 'absorbed' the gst cut for pricing convenience.

It's simply a modified trickle down effect. Some places pass on the savings, others do not.

Therefore, not all goods and services that apply GST had savings realized.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21519871 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 10:10:01 EDT Re: They raised the monthly Ontario Permanent Disability cheque http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21519866 dirtyjeffer :
said by horsemouth See Profile :

People also tend to forget that part of apt. rent goes to pay GST. I just shake my head in disbelief when some people say "most of my money goes to food and rent. The GST is no big deal for me"
in all fairness, i doubt people's rent went down from the GST...i am sure that would have simply increased the margins by 1%, if that is even affected by GST...i would have thought rent money was tax exempt to begin with, and the rent money would be considered income or revenue for the landlord.
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said by dirtyjeffer See Profile :

said by Hydraglass See Profile :

My wife and I calculated our monthly savings after the GST cut and it's definitely been a good thing for us - every utility bill went down by 2%, our insurance went down 2%, all of our monthly non-food/grocery purchases went down by 2%, our entertainment expenses went down by 2%, etc... we figured over an entire month looking at our bank statements, receipts, etc. that it saves us almost $40/mo - that's an extra $480/year raise we didn't have to do anything to get.
i think ours is fairly close to that as well...people forget about things like insurance, car lease payments, etc...it all adds up.
People also tend to forget that part of apt. rent goes to pay GST. I just shake my head in disbelief when some people say "most of my money goes to food and rent. The GST is no big deal for me"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21519857 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 10:06:53 EDT Re: They raised the monthly Ontario Permanent Disability cheque http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21519804 dirtyjeffer :
said by Hydraglass See Profile :

My wife and I calculated our monthly savings after the GST cut and it's definitely been a good thing for us - every utility bill went down by 2%, our insurance went down 2%, all of our monthly non-food/grocery purchases went down by 2%, our entertainment expenses went down by 2%, etc... we figured over an entire month looking at our bank statements, receipts, etc. that it saves us almost $40/mo - that's an extra $480/year raise we didn't have to do anything to get.
i think ours is fairly close to that as well...people forget about things like insurance, car lease payments, etc...it all adds up.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21519804 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 09:55:13 EDT Re: They raised the monthly Ontario Permanent Disability cheque http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21519791 Hydraglass :
said by dirtyjeffer See Profile :

the reality is, at the end of the day, dennilfloss has an extra $20 per month and is enjoying that little bit extra...well, for the rest of us, who also enjoy an extra $20 per month in savings of GST, we like having that little bit extra just as much...my point was, some of you (you know who you are) criticized the cuts and the amount saved as being a pittance...myself and others argued that the little extra can still come in handy, especially when times are tough.
My wife and I calculated our monthly savings after the GST cut and it's definitely been a good thing for us - every utility bill went down by 2%, our insurance went down 2%, all of our monthly non-food/grocery purchases went down by 2%, our entertainment expenses went down by 2%, etc... we figured over an entire month looking at our bank statements, receipts, etc. that it saves us almost $40/mo - that's an extra $480/year raise we didn't have to do anything to get.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21519791 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 09:52:57 EDT Re: They raised the monthly Ontario Permanent Disability cheque http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21519653 dirtyjeffer :
said by Robrr See Profile :

Well put dennifloss.

Like I said previously dj, people are always much happier seeing money on their pay cheque then trying to find it on their budget sheet.
the reality is, at the end of the day, dennilfloss has an extra $20 per month and is enjoying that little bit extra...well, for the rest of us, who also enjoy an extra $20 per month in savings of GST, we like having that little bit extra just as much...my point was, some of you (you know who you are) criticized the cuts and the amount saved as being a pittance...myself and others argued that the little extra can still come in handy, especially when times are tough.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21519653 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 09:22:15 EDT Re: They raised the monthly Ontario Permanent Disability cheque http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21519645 Robert :
said by donoreo See Profile :

I would have to agree with this, in your case and others similar. However, DJ does make a valid point for others not in your situation.
Were this Canpol, then I would agree, dj raining on dennilfloss's thread is very grinchy
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said by dennilfloss See Profile :

GST affects only a few items for me (for example, food isn't covered by the GST) and I get a GST return three times a year to compensate for that. So the 2% increase in funding helps me a lot more than a 2% cut in GST. I think this would apply to most poor people.
I would have to agree with this, in your case and others similar. However, DJ does make a valid point for others not in your situation.
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Like I said previously dj, people are always much happier seeing money on their pay cheque then trying to find it on their budget sheet.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21519438 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 08:14:17 EDT Re: They raised the monthly Ontario Permanent Disability cheque http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21519204 dennilfloss : GST affects only a few items for me (for example, food isn't covered by the GST) and I get a GST return three times a year to compensate for that. So the 2% increase in funding helps me a lot more than a 2% cut in GST. I think this would apply to most poor people.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21519204 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 05:22:31 EDT Re: They raised the monthly Ontario Permanent Disability cheque http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21519026 Rifleman : Wow--I feel better now. I get a little over double that after taxes. Damn unions.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21519026 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 02:18:13 EDT Re: They raised the monthly Ontario Permanent Disability cheque http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21518978 Snickerdo :
said by CigaR See Profile :

How convenient for Conservatives to say that.
His comment had nothing to do with convenience. It makes perfect sense.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21518978 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 01:55:33 EDT Re: They raised the monthly Ontario Permanent Disability cheque http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21518960 dennilfloss :
said by Last Parade See Profile :

What do you (not) do again?
I was a geology lecturer (paleontology).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21518960 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 01:42:29 EDT Re: They raised the monthly Ontario Permanent Disability cheque http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21518411 Last Parade : What do you (not) do again?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21518411 Tue, 02 Dec 2008 23:11:34 EDT Re: They raised the monthly Ontario Permanent Disability cheque http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21518390 CigaR : Good on ya Dennil ! :)

said by dirtyjeffer See Profile :

here's something funny, it's a 2% difference...yet you seem so happy about it...kind of funny how people said the 2% GST cut was nothing, yet the 2% you got really does help out, doesn't it? :p
How convenient for Conservatives to say that.

Besides, GST is Federal while the Permanent Disability cheque is Provincial. There's no correlation between both.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21518390 Tue, 02 Dec 2008 23:07:57 EDT Re: They raised the monthly Ontario Permanent Disability cheque http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21518306 Snickerdo :
said by dirtyjeffer See Profile :

here's something funny, it's a 2% difference...yet you seem so happy about it...kind of funny how people said the 2% GST cut was nothing, yet the 2% you got really does help out, doesn't it? :p
HAH! Well played jeffer, well played indeed! :D
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21517613 Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:47:40 EDT They raised the monthly Ontario Permanent Disability cheque http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21517177 dennilfloss : By $20. :D I'm now getting $1001 per month.

That extra $20 sure is welcome. Went tonight and bought more food.

I'm in a good mood now. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21517177 Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:28:10 EDT