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DarkLogix

join:2008-10-23
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Finally

They should have put this out before issueing the CAPs


NOZIREV

join:2008-07-10
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Its not like they didnt have something for you to use while this was being developed, "Currently, the Comcast FAQ tells users to do a web search for bandwidth meters or use the meter included in the McAfee Security Suite the company gives out free to subscribers." please stop the crying...

mlabate

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reply to DarkLogix
One would think, but this is Comcast we are dealing with.


bender
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reply to NOZIREV
said by NOZIREV See Profile :

Its not like they didnt have something for you to use while this was being developed, "Currently, the Comcast FAQ tells users to do a web search for bandwidth meters or use the meter included in the McAfee Security Suite the company gives out free to subscribers." please stop the crying...
you are aware that this does not tell you about thirdparty devices that are using the internet. devices like xbox360's, wii, ps3, streaming music players, etc.

JSRoman
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Where does it say that?


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reply to DarkLogix
Agreed...


wifi4milez
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said by NOZIREV See Profile :

Its not like they didnt have something for you to use while this was being developed, "Currently, the Comcast FAQ tells users to do a web search for bandwidth meters or use the meter included in the McAfee Security Suite the company gives out free to subscribers." please stop the crying...
you are aware that this does not tell you about thirdparty devices that are using the internet. devices like xbox360's, wii, ps3, streaming music players, etc.
As I understand it, this counts all traffic delivered to your IP address. Basically anything that passes through your cable modem will register, regardless of whether its your PC or Xbox. You are thinking of the applications like DL Meter (I think thats what its called) that only track the data used by the PC its installed on.
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knightmb
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reply to JSRoman
Looks like Business customers are in the clear, all the wording is aimed towards residential users everywhere that I read.

At least I'll hope since I top many TB a month.
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knightmb
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reply to mlabate
Found something interesting in their FAQ
quote:
How does Comcast help customers who have been identified as excessive users?

Comcast's experience shows that some customers identified as excessive users were not aware of the activity that caused the excessive use. For example, after being notified by Comcast some customers identify another person in their household, such as a child or roommate, who uses the service in ways that generate excessive use. In other cases, a customer's personal computer may be compromised by a virus or spyware that uses the computer to send large amounts of spam or perform repeated bulk transfers of large files. Still other customers may have an unsecured wireless router or be using our residential Comcast High-Speed Internet service for a commercial or business purpose and not the intended residential purpose. In each of these situations, and many others, Comcast is able to help the customer identify and address the cause of the excessive use made with his or her account. In fact, most customers identified as excessive users change their usage patterns or make other adjustments and continue to use the service. Only a small fraction of the tiny number of users who are identified as excessive users ever have their service terminated for one year because of continued excessive use.

Ok, so they pull out the "only 1% of Comcast customers are excessive users" and then further go on that it's actually even less because those that were excessive tend to be virus/spam/open wi-fi abuse. So actually, what they are saying is that instead of helping to fix grandmom's virus/trojan infected machine, we will blame the problem on the 1% of the 1% of the 1% that actually use more than 250GB a month of bandwidth instead which out of the many thousands of customers they have, would probably be about 2 or 3 people per state who aren't virus/trojan/open wi-fi users?

Talk about reading between the lines.
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iansltx

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reply to wifi4milez
McAfee can only track the data used by the PC it's installed in. How would it measure full network usage? You have to be at the router, modem or ISP level to do that.


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reply to JSRoman
I doubt it explicitly says it anywhere (I didn't read it), but if it's software running on a computer there's no way it's going to know about all the other traffic passing through a router. That's why the BEST solution for a home user is to get a router that's compatible with a custom firmware that provides traffic monitoring: I use and recommend DD-WRT v24 firmware on a Linksys WRT54GL router, which is targeted at enthusiasts who actually want to install third party firmware. The firmware lets me view my bandwidth usage month-by-month or, if you hover your mouse over each bar, even day-by-day as the attached screenshot shows.


jlivingood
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reply to knightmb
said by knightmb See Profile :

Ok, so they pull out the "only 1% of Comcast customers are excessive users" and then further go on that it's actually even less because those that were excessive tend to be virus/spam/open wi-fi abuse. So actually, what they are saying is that instead of helping to fix grandmom's virus/trojan infected machine, we will blame the problem on the 1% of the 1% of the 1% that actually use more than 250GB a month of bandwidth instead which out of the many thousands of customers they have, would probably be about 2 or 3 people per state who aren't virus/trojan/open wi-fi users?
That's not what is intended at all. In fact, its the job of our CSA team to work with customers like that and help them try to remove malware and properly secure their networks, etc.

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jacour

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reply to UseNewFirmware
The Comcast cap inspired me to install DD-WRT at long lost, mainly due to concerns about bricking my router (which didn't happen). The graph is a very handy tool and the DD-WRT software is much nicer than the LinkSys supplied firmware. I can strongly recommend it.


wifi4milez
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said by iansltx See Profile :

McAfee can only track the data used by the PC it's installed in. How would it measure full network usage? You have to be at the router, modem or ISP level to do that.
Correct, however the ISP provided service being discussed here is not the McAfee software. This thread is referring to a new bandwidth meter that is in the process of being released. The new bandwidth meter is going to track at the cable modem level, or perhaps the MAC address of the router attached to it. In either case, all traffic will be tracked regardless of which device is using it.
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knightmb
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reply to jlivingood
said by jlivingood See Profile :

That's not what is intended at all. In fact, its the job of our CSA team to work with customers like that and help them try to remove malware and properly secure their networks, etc.

Jason
Fair enough, my opinion is that those that are upset by the cap will point to this as another reason why they are against it. I think maybe it should be worded a little different so that it doesn't seem to blend in the excessive users and those users that are excessive but didn't know any better because they had a virus/trojan/wi-fi, etc. That's what I took from it when I read it.
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BF69

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said by jlivingood See Profile :

That's not what is intended at all. In fact, its the job of our CSA team to work with customers like that and help them try to remove malware and properly secure their networks, etc.

Jason
No see once watching movies and TV on the internet becomes more common place and higher bitrates are used it's your job to let customers know that if they only got their content from Comcast they wouldn't go over thier cap which in the end is the REAL reason for the cap. Because honestly a straight cap is a VERY VERY retarded way of managing bandwidth. Anyone with even 1/4 of a brain knows that.

iansltx

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reply to wifi4milez
Correct. I was referencing a post that talked about how Comcast is currently offering McAFee.

It'll be interesting to see how router-based traffic loggers (DD-WRT, Tomato) compare to Comcast's ISP-based logger...


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reply to wifi4milez
said by wifi4milez See Profile :

Basically anything that passes through your cable modem will register,
I hope not, or I hope typical network broadcasts get subtracted out.

I've never measured this on Comcast, but one Roadrunner user showed 60 Kbps of sustained traffic of what sounds like ARP or DHCP broadcasts that -- if it continued -- would total 20 GB/mo.
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wifi4milez
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said by funchords See Profile :

said by wifi4milez See Profile :

Basically anything that passes through your cable modem will register,
I hope not, or I hope typical network broadcasts get subtracted out.

I've never measured this on Comcast, but one Roadrunner user showed 60 Kbps of sustained traffic of what sounds like ARP or DHCP broadcasts that -- if it continued -- would total 20 GB/mo.
I suspect they will omit that traffic then. If I am not mistaken, TWC has a 20G cap in some of their Texas markets. If they were to include that data then every sub would be over their limit before even using the service. That would certainly cause many customer complaints, and would be a huge headache for TWC to deal with.
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u235Sentinel

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reply to NOZIREV
And if the numbers don't match the bandwidth consumed is there a resolution short of terminating more Concast customers?

I only ask because I'm sure a Concast shill as yourself would have the answer.
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