 DogfatherPremium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | reply to MrMaestro
Re: Overkill and overpriced Far future. |
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 MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | Define "far" ...
2 or 3 years ago you would have had a hard time finding a pipe to fill a 15Mbps connection. Now that's extremely easy. So in 5 years I doubt you'll have trouble filling a 100Mbps pipe.
That is all moot however. The problem is (like when multi-core processors were introduced) you're thinking about the uses for a 100Mbps pipe wrong. It's not about a single high-speed download, it's about MULTIPLE high-speed downloads/streams with no little to no delay. |
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DogfatherPremium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | 5 years is an eternity in technology. And this is a 'light-switch' upgrade for Verizon. Current fiber deployment would support 100Mb service in shared topology and with GPON which isn't hugely expensive upgrade it is even easier.
Unlike cable, this isn't a 'need to plan for' type problem for Verizon. Their current fiber deployment supports 100Mb in shared topology and with GPON upgrades, which isn't a 'major' investment it is even easier.
And sure, I can think of a future of where we could conceivably use 100Mb service...a couple of 1080P IPTV streams could do it alone. But that kind of offering will be a long time coming, thus 100Mb won't be of any use for a long time coming. |
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 DarkLogixPremium
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX
kudos:3 | reply to Matt
Hundred shmundred I want gig |
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 maartenaElmoPremium
join:2002-05-10
Orange, CA
kudos:1
 ·AT&T U-Verse
 ·DIRECTV
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In Japan, China (Hong Kong), Singapore and Korea they have been offering 100 Mbps for years now.
In Europe, 24 Mbps cable and DSL2 connections are very common, and they too are now deploying both fiber and DOCSIS 3.0 to the masses, with 100 Mbps or almost similar speeds.
We all know that the U.S. is majorly lagging behind on providing speedy internet at a good price to it's citizens, but I would not really call it "far future".
Hell, I made remarks 5 years ago that we wouldn't see 10 Mbps connections going into houses before 2010. With my 15/2 connection now, uVerse going with 12 and 18 Mbps, I am happy to admit I was dead wrong.
We'll see 100 Mbps going into houses sooner then you think. And in many cities. I would actually be willing to make another prediction that says that 100 Mbps will be available in some sort to all major metroplitan areas by 2012, which from my perspective being 34 is not the FAR future....  |
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MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | reply to Dogfather
said by Dogfather:And sure, I can think of a future of where we could conceivably use 100Mb service...a couple of 1080P IPTV streams could do it alone. But that kind of offering will be a long time coming, thus 100Mb won't be of any use for a long time coming. I'm not sure what relevance the rest of your post had so I'll address the issue I thought we were originally discussing.
If there weren't any use for it, I doubt they'd be offering it. I could think of several uses for it right now outside of IPTV streaming but again, you're still thinking one-dimensionally. With 100Mbps, you can start doing all kinds of things, like video conferencing, sharing videos real-time to OTHER friends XBox/Wii/PS3 consoles, video streaming to your home (as you mentioned) ... there are a multitude of things that 100Mbps opens up.
The most important aspect is the application we CAN'T think of. Just like when broadband was introduced and people wondered (and some still do) why anyone needed more than 1.5Mbps, 100Mbps opens the door to a lot of interactivity you simply can't do now.
And server bandwidth is cheap so capacity will catch up with home connections very quickly. We get 100GB of premium bandwidth from our datacenter on a 100Mbps port for a little less than a dollar a GB. That price will not do anything but go down. |
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fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | reply to Dogfather
Not really, it's not just a "light switch" upgrade for Verizon. It gets to a point where it goes deeper into the house system as well with equipment, etc.
Not all of that pipe to your home is for internet.. The MOST common mistake around BBR by the "experts" is that the speed equals "internet use".. far from it.
This same service also carries Television, wide area networking to other incumbent services, better phone handling, improved network update pushes, etc. A lot of last mile only services would benefit.
I hate to burst your bubble, but 100MB can surely be useful in the near future for sure! |
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fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | reply to DarkLogix
said by DarkLogix:Hundred shmundred I want gig For what? |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
 ·Comcast
| I'd be fine with 100 Mbps. 802.11n can't even deliver 100 Mbps reliably, everything would have to be hardwired gigabit to take advantage of those speeds. At that point, where WAN speeds approach realistic LAN speeds, Verizon can stop upgrading...for now... |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | reply to fiberguy
My 20 drive Fiber Channel SAN for my megalo-torrent box. |
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MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | reply to iansltx
said by iansltx:I'd be fine with 100 Mbps. 802.11n can't even deliver 100 Mbps reliably My 802.11n Draft 2.0 gear can sustain 300Mbps without a problem. And that's in the 2.4GHz band. I know it would be much higher if my gear were 5GHz capable. |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1
1 edit | reply to iansltx
said by iansltx:I'd be fine with 100 Mbps. 802.11n can't even deliver 100 Mbps reliably, everything would have to be hardwired gigabit to take advantage of those speeds. At that point, where WAN speeds approach realistic LAN speeds, Verizon can stop upgrading...for now... What about my holographic porn on my volumetric projector? |
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DogfatherPremium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | reply to Matt
They're offering it just for what Karl said, marketing. They can flash "up to 100Mb" ads all over the place. |
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DogfatherPremium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | reply to maartena
Doesn't matter what they offer. I'm just saying I had 50Mb and I'm a download WHORE and couldn't find much use for it outside giganews. The problem isn't Verizon, it's servers. There just aren't than many content providers serving up goodies to individuals at 50+Mb. |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | reply to Matt
Interesting...I can't tell too much here because my Macbook Air has crappy wireless file transfer speeds no matter what network it's on. But I do get whatever PowerBoost gives me with 11n... |
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MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | said by iansltx:Interesting...I can't tell too much here because my Macbook Air has crappy wireless file transfer speeds no matter what network it's on. But I do get whatever PowerBoost gives me with 11n... Really? Do you have it connected to an Airport Extreme? I know the Airport Extreme can do 802.11n on the 5GHz band so I would imagine your Air can do that too. You may want to look into it because the Airport Extreme was one of the 802.11n routers that had the HIGHEST throughput once free of all the 2.4GHz chatter. |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | The Airport Extreme is a $180 router. The Linksys WRT310N is a little less than half that price. The Linksys also supports DD-WRT and VPN... |
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MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | said by iansltx:The Airport Extreme is a $180 router. The Linksys WRT310N is a little less than half that price. The Linksys also supports DD-WRT and VPN... So what you're saying is you have it connected to a WRT310N?
I have a $99 Trendnet TEW-633GR and I can get 300Mbps out of it, so I'm sure your Linksys can achieve something close to that. If not, you may have a bad unit? |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Macbook Air = wireless in a tin can, I think the aluminum shell kills the wireless signal a fair bit... |
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 jaaPremium,MVM
join:2000-06-13
kudos:2 | reply to fiberguy
The 100mb = internet speed, not bandwidth to the home. TV and voice are in addition to that.
Their 50/20 tier is internet speed - not shared with TV or voice. Verizon quotes internet speeds in their marketing, not pipe to the home. |
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