Matt
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|  Research Triangle Park
They also service the RTP/Durham area in NC. The Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill area would be a VERY lucrative area for them as it's full of technology minded, high salaried people who will spend the money for a superior technology.
I would LOVE to see Verizon and AT&T go head to head. Of course, shareholders of both companies would hate to see it as it would mean AT&T would have to drop their lame duck U-Verse and Verizon would have to further increase their fiber expenditures. You can only milk your existing customers for so much money before you have to find new ones however.
(Although, AT&T doesn't believe that's the case and thinking they should be able to bill ANYONE a customer of theirs contacts.) |
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Kearnstd
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Mullica Hill, NJ | Fairfield County, CT would also be a good place. it borders a Verizon area(NY State, means semi easy links to the VZ network) and its on average rather high income.
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ILpt4U
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Lisle, IL
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1 edit | Hello? Cherry Picking Anyone?
I love the change of tone here.
When State Video Franchise Laws are passed, the users here complain and whine about cherry-picking.
Verizon is cherry-picking by definition where they choose to overlap FiOS with U-Verse. Yet from what I see here, there is nothing but praise, and even encouragement to continue to cherry pick.
Come on people, you can't have it both ways. Either Cherry-picking is evil and discriminatory, or it is admirable & good business. |
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Matt
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Jamestown, NC
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| Re: Research Triangle Park
said by ILpt4U  :I love the change of tone here. When State Video Franchise Laws are passed, the users here complain and whine about cherry-picking. Verizon is cherry-picking by definition where they choose to overlap FiOS with U-Verse. Yet from what I see here, there is nothing but praise, and even encouragement to continue to cherry pick. Come on people, you can't have it both ways. Either Cherry-picking is evil and discriminatory, or it is admirable & good business. Cherry picking in under served areas with no competition is bad. This is going into area where there is already multiple choices, so of course they are going into areas where they know the uptake rate will be high. It's two completely different things. If you want to classify this as cherry picking, that's on you.
Regardless, it was neat how you took my comment to speak for everyone at DSLReports. I see what you did there. |
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Karl Bode
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join:2000-03-02 | reply to ILpt4U
Re: Hello? Cherry Picking Anyone?
Either Cherry-picking is evil and discriminatory, or it is admirable & good business. Yes, because the world runs in absolutes, and there's no possible way one thing could be both good and bad and the same time, right? |
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Matt
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| said by Karl Bode :Either Cherry-picking is evil and discriminatory, or it is admirable & good business. Yes, because the world runs in absolutes, and there's no possible way one thing could be both good and bad and the same time, right? Shades of Gray, some people just can't seem to grasp that concept. Everything is Good or Bad, Patriot or Terrorist, Republican or Democrat .. |
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reelbigfish
join:2002-06-06
Boston, MA | reply to Kearnstd
Re: Research Triangle Park
Technically they are already in Fairfield County. Half of Greenwhich is already served by Verizon for whatever reason. All they need to do is start with the rest of the town and move onto other towns in southern CT. |
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DarkLogix
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX
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Re: Hello? Cherry Picking Anyone?
said by Matt :said by Karl Bode :Either Cherry-picking is evil and discriminatory, or it is admirable & good business. Yes, because the world runs in absolutes, and there's no possible way one thing could be both good and bad and the same time, right? Shades of Gray, some people just can't seem to grasp that concept. Everything is Good or Bad, Patriot or Terrorist, Republican or Democrat .. I never realized that shades of grey was so hard for people
I guess some just can't get past Republicrat and Democan(misspelling intended) |
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ILpt4U
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1 edit | reply to Matt
Re: Research Triangle Park
This is Cherry Picking because there are plenty of legacy Verizon areas that have NO access to broadband, and plenty more that have low-speed DSL as the only option, yet Verizon is picking these areas that already have Cable & VDSL options to spend their FiOS budget, because they feel that is where they make money, not further serving more customers with more broadband.
If that is not cherry picking to you, then cherry picking is different things to different people.
And I was not picking on you individually. Every time a story shows up here at dslreports about a new State Video Franchise, it is demonized as being a free pass for big Telcos to cherry pick. I can do some research and post some direct links if necessary. I'm calling BS, and calling out cherry picking in this instance, and the fact that it is being both defended & encouraged |
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ILpt4U
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1 edit | reply to DarkLogix
Re: Hello? Cherry Picking Anyone?
I actually will concede that Cherry Picking in this case is probably both "good" and "bad".
Provide more customers with more premium broadband services and TV options is a win for the customer. Another provider in the marketplace is a good thing.
Pick out only the most potentially profitable areas to deploy the additional competing services, and neglecting deployment to your loyal phone customers for the past who knows how many years in so doing, well I would argue that if I were a Verizon customer still having to use Dial-up & Satellite, then this story would be upsetting to me. Verizon is cherry-picking customers they expect lots of money from, and neglecting their legacy customers.
So Good and Bad? Yes there are both benefits to this competition, and there are disappointments for Verizon customers that are waiting on FiOS, and even the many that will never see it.
My original point though that this is cherry-picking in its purest form still stands. If you disagree, heh, isn't America great (the current economic situation not withstanding)? |
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Kommie
join:2003-05-13
East Haven, CT
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Re: Research Triangle Park
said by Kearnstd :Fairfield County, CT would also be a good place. it borders a Verizon area(NY State, means semi easy links to the VZ network) and its on average rather high income. They are overbuilding in Stamford, CT. |
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ashworth
join:2001-10-06
Pittsburgh, PA
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You live in a liberal world where everything including broadband should be included in your property taxes. VZ is spending billions of dollars on FiOS, and if they want to take on AT@T instead of deploying DSL to rural areas fine. VZ is not in the business to please every Tom, Dick and Harry,(It's their/shareholders money, no obligation to you or anyone else). As for redlining, here in Pittsburgh there is no redlining, strange as it may seem some of the worst areas have Fios available. In PA, VZ has gone to every municipality, where they offer service, to get a LFA(Local Franchise Agreement). So, if there's any redlining, blame the local government. |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
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said by Kearnstd :Fairfield County, CT would also be a good place. it borders a Verizon area(NY State, means semi easy links to the VZ network) and its on average rather high income. Even though it sounds like money hand over fist, you have to remember the aggressive cable co in fairfield county, Cablevision, the only ISP willing to do performance battles with FIOS with 30/5 |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
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said by Kommie :said by Kearnstd :Fairfield County, CT would also be a good place. it borders a Verizon area(NY State, means semi easy links to the VZ network) and its on average rather high income. They are overbuilding in Stamford, CT. Where?
And don't confuse Verizon with Verizon Business/MCI, although I've never seen a VZB/MCI truck. |
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