 MxxCon
join:1999-11-19
Brooklyn, NY
1 edit | Credit where Credit is due why Robb Topolski always gets the credit for detecting spoofed RST packets on Comcast when i detected it more than 3 years earlier on OOL »Re: Why Is OOL Selectively Blocking Bit Torrent Pa
I even contacted all the major bittorrent developers to work out a solution
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 funchordsHelloPremium,MVM
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Great job!
There were some other reports here and there, but yours is great because it connected the RST to a particular sequence.
You deserve credit for that. That Cox thread at the top of the thread is a good one, too. That one is a new one on me -- I'd never seen that one before.
And it's all yours. I did see some others but nobody that had ruled out the distant-end ISP or attributed it to a specific tool. I'm not sure I read your original report before, but your report is especially good. I also wasn't the first one to notice some odd behavior on Comcast that now -- in retrospect, we can say was probably Sandvine. If I didn't figure this out, eventually someone else would have. I was just the first (that I know of) that put it all together involving Comcast/Sandvine and (like you did) the protocol specifics.
I also approached the situation in a similar way as you, with just a few differences. Further, the biggest difference -- the explosive blog/press coverage and Comcast's PR and legal hijinx -- I had nothing to do with. That controversy is what gave the story some real legs.
I was the first to attribute RSTs to Comcast using Sandvine with the sequence being the injected packet right after the distant peer requested file data (ED2K/BitTorrent). (Like you, I also saw it after the BitTorrent bitfield.)
I also tested end-to-end capturing both sides, and I also tested on a different ISP under exactly the same conditions and showed it didn't happen. I also used my real name (which I've always done).
But that didn't make much difference at first. Like yours, when I reported mine, it didn't garner a lot of attention.
I'm really not responsible for what happened next. Three months later, the blogosphere suddenly picked it up (#2 story on Digg that week), then the mainstream press. And even with that, the issue probably would have eventually died if Comcast wasn't such a PR idiot about it.
What's important is that it was fully exposed and it's stopping.
Very good job finding it on OOL. You did a good job and it's cool that you worked with Azureus to work around it. Is it still going on when you're not using lazy bitfield or other obfuscation?
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MxxCon
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Brooklyn, NY | I have nothing against you Robb. The publicity you brought to this issue is undeniable.
However, whenever throttling/net neutrality topic comes up, Karl always mentions you as a the 1st documented proof of ISPs messing with the network. I pointed it out to Karl a few times that ISPs have been doing it for alot longer and Comcast wasn't the 1st, but it's fallen on deaf ears.
I don't use my real name because I don't want some of the stupid things i say online to affect me in RL(also similar to the issue i brought up in »Privacy in OOL Direct forum?). |
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funchordsHelloPremium,MVM
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kudos:5 | said by MxxCon:I don't use my real name because I don't want some of the stupid things i say online to affect me in RL(also similar to the issue i brought up in » Privacy in OOL Direct forum?). I know what you mean, I stopped using Comcast for this very same retaliation. They didn't like what I was saying, and attacked me personally -- »Complain about Comcast=Have your Reputation Scrutinized -- regardless of the fact that everything I said was repeatedly and independently shown to be true many months earlier.
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