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| said by TKJunkMail  :Wikipedia should just delete the album cover from the article if indeed it is a naked child portrayed sexually, which would be against all international laws on child pornography. Delete the pic and the problem goes away. I think this one falls under the "art" protection. Even if the art was used to create controversy.
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| Re: Action justified if naked person on album cover is a child said by Steimes :said by TKJunkMail :Wikipedia should just delete the album cover from the article if indeed it is a naked child portrayed sexually, which would be against all international laws on child pornography. Delete the pic and the problem goes away. I think this one falls under the "art" protection. Even if the art was used to create controversy. But that is the excuse used by all child pornography purveyors - that it is art and should be ok.
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1 edit | Re: Action justified if naked person on album cover is a child But that is the excuse of all closet fascists, that art which bothers their delicate sensibilities should be banned or thrown in a pile and burned. | |
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1 edit | Re: Action justified if naked person on album cover is a child said by Karl Bode :But that is the excuse of all closet fascists, that art which bothers their delicate sensibilities should be banned or thrown in a pile and burned. So you defend child pornography - as long as it hides under the cover of being art? | |
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| said by TKJunkMail :said by Karl Bode :But that is the excuse of all closet fascists, that art which bothers their delicate sensibilities should be banned or thrown in a pile and burned. So you defend child pornography? Yeah. Child pornography is awesome.
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clubs: | Re: Action justified if naked person on album cover is a child did you say CP?
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| said by TKJunkMail :said by Karl Bode :But that is the excuse of all closet fascists, that art which bothers their delicate sensibilities should be banned or thrown in a pile and burned. So you defend child pornography - as long as it hides under the cover of being art? Stupid question, even by your standards 
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Long Beach, MS | Re: Action justified if naked person on album cover is a child You're the person who accused someone of defending child pornography, when they clearly weren't, scumbag.
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| Re: Action justified if naked person on album cover is a child No, just making sure you know what others think of you when you make such ridiculous accusations
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| You really don't get the "ad hominem" thing, do you?
Kinda makes it easy to understand why your ideas about art and pornography are so simplistic, though. | |
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1 edit | said by TKJunkMail :Wikipedia should just delete the album cover from the article if indeed it is a naked child portrayed sexually, which would be against all international laws on child pornography. Delete the pic and the problem goes away. For someone who hasn't seen the image in question, you sure run your mouth.
Naked - yes.
Sexual? Maybe in your mind. 
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| said by TKJunkMail :So you defend child pornography - as long as it hides under the cover of being art? Nudity is not always pornography, and not all pornography involves nudity.
By your reasoning, any pictures of you as a child where you happen to be nude should be destroyed, as they are "child pornography" even if there is nothing sexual going on in the picture.
Face it, you conservatives are the ones with "sick" minds. You assign all this sexuality to things that have none. | |
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| said by TKJunkMail :So you defend child pornography - as long as it hides under the cover of being art? Tell me TK, do you support child pornography? No? Then why do you support the blocking of child porn websites rather than having them shut down/used to catch pedophiles?
Logically you must be a pedophile because you're protecting them by hiding them from the public but not shutting them down.
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| said by TKJunkMail :But that is the excuse used by all child pornography purveyors - that it is art and should be ok. I don't find the image at all pornographic -- that is, it does not appeal at all to my prurient interest. How come it does to yours, I wonder??? | |
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| Re: Action justified if naked person on album cover is a child Wow, someone just discovered logical fallacies, and is shoe-horning everything into one. Congrats. | |
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| Re: Action justified if naked person on album cover is a child said by Necronomikro :Wow, someone just discovered logical fallacies, and is shoe-horning everything into one. Congrats. It wouldn't be necessary if the default 1st choice of response of many posters wasn't personal attacks.
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| said by TKJunkMail :It wouldn't be necessary if the default 1st choice of response of many posters wasn't personal attacks. Personal attacks are just that. They're not the same thing as ad hominem arguments.
Ad hominem remarks are attacks that are made in lieu of legitimate arguments. They're a form of distraction from the real issue.
In this case, you're being taken apart both by legitimate, logical responses and being made fun of. | |
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| Re: Action justified if naked person on album cover is a child said by n0ym :said by TKJunkMail :It wouldn't be necessary if the default 1st choice of response of many posters wasn't personal attacks. Personal attacks are just that. They're not the same thing as ad hominem arguments. Ad hominem remarks are attacks that are made in lieu of legitimate arguments. They're a form of distraction from the real issue. In this case, you're being taken apart both by legitimate, logical responses and being made fun of. »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_a···_abusive
Ad hominem abusive
Ad hominem abusive (also called argumentum ad personam) usually and most notoriously involves insulting or belittling one's opponent, but can also involve pointing out factual but ostensibly damning character flaws or actions which are irrelevant to the opponent's argument. This tactic is logically fallacious because insults and even true negative facts about the opponent's personal character have nothing to do with the logical merits of the opponent's arguments or assertions.
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| Re: Action justified if naked person on album cover is a child said by TKJunkMail :said by n0ym :said by TKJunkMail :It wouldn't be necessary if the default 1st choice of response of many posters wasn't personal attacks. Personal attacks are just that. They're not the same thing as ad hominem arguments. Ad hominem remarks are attacks that are made in lieu of legitimate arguments. They're a form of distraction from the real issue. In this case, you're being taken apart both by legitimate, logical responses and being made fun of. » en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_a···_abusiveAd hominem abusive
Ad hominem abusive (also called argumentum ad personam) usually and most notoriously involves insulting or belittling one's opponent, but can also involve pointing out factual but ostensibly damning character flaws or actions which are irrelevant to the opponent's argument. This tactic is logically fallacious because insults and even true negative facts about the opponent's personal character have nothing to do with the logical merits of the opponent's arguments or assertions. Ad hominem as a logical fallacy is when an attack is made in lieu of an argument. However, using an ad-hominem attack after, or in the midst of an argument does not automatically nullify the content within the argument, and does not constitute a logical fallacy, though it may be bad form in a debate. | |
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join:2000-03-02 | Re: Action justified if naked person on album cover is a child Yes, weird how that works. You're a purveyor of child porn for disagreeing with me -- but I'm very, very upset when people engage in personal attacks. | |
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| There was a huge flame war about this image a few months back. The upshot was that:
1) Wikipedia must comply with local laws to remove illegal content.
2) Wikipedia must not remove content for being legal but in bad taste, or every special interest group on the planet will have a field day.
3) Wikipedia, not being a law firm or a state, has no real way of telling whether something's illegal beyond the blatantly obvious cases.
4) This cover has been around for the last thirty years without being prosecuted, making it a not blatantly obvious case.
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| But the question is the naked child being portrayed sexually?
When I look at the pic I see nothing sexual about it. There is no exposed genitalia. There is no suggestive motions or facial expressions being performed by the child at the time of the shooting of the picture.
Now with that said, I do think the original album cover was done in poor taste. But you can blame the record company for that one. It was their idea, not the band. The record company even said they will go to jail over it. According to the band, the album cover had nothing to do with the song.
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| Re: Action justified if naked person on album cover is a child Hey, lets ban AllMusic.com while we are at it.
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Guess Clapton, Windwood and Baker are just too old school to matter.
That is the reason we have a judicial system as least in the US to keep extremists from seeing everything as porn.
Yes it is Art. No it's not sexual.
Like I always said, if you like strict rules, there are still countries where you can immigrate to that will be glad to ban your problems.
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2 edits | Re: Action justified if naked person on album cover is a child I actually have that album. I am a big Eric Clapton fan, especially with his days with Cream.
I consider it a piece of artwork, hardly pornographic at all. Mostly because I do not consider breasts in any stage of development part of female genitalia.
said by Piggie :Like I always said, if you like strict rules, there are still countries where you can immigrate to that will be glad to ban your problems. Amen to that, at least in this country I can choose what art is in bad taste or not, not the government.
Edit: Well not yet.
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| Just because puritan English speaking prudes think that a tastefully naked teenager girl is child porn doesn't mean that it is child porn in any other non-English speaking country or culture.
Why is it that English speaking countries call themselves enlightened, but are actually the biggest bigots (most of the time) throughout the known human universe? | |
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