 DogfatherPremium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | reply to PolarBear03
Re: Trained? Really? Question is do they need to? Apple outsells all WM handsets combined. Apple outsells all RIM handsets combined. (In the US sales from what I read anyway). |
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DogfatherPremium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | reply to PolarBear03
I do significantly better than minimum wage, and STILL want to be somewhere else.  |
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While 79 percent is impressive, this survey is not comprehensive. It first states it used 3,597 consumers. However, there are several flaws with this survey, which make me not take this data at face value.
It should be first noted, the Iphone was released in July 2007 and this survey was done in march. That is ample time for someone to test out their phone, but this leads to one major problem and FLAW.
Of those people surveyed, I did not see a qualifier on time of ownership. Maybe 2000 of these people owned their Iphone for a few weeks? It's like buying a shiny new car, it's always great when you first get it, but constant use tends to show the major bugs. People are on their new item "High". This is a MAJOR oversight on this survey which lends a great doubt to it's accuracy. A good Pre Qualifier on this empirical data would have been a minimum ownership. I did not see this. So 79 percent being happy, while impressive, is something I fail to take at face value. Re-conduct this survey now, and see what the data shows is my thought. |
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EPS
join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA | reply to Dogfather
Your thing about the RIM handsets doesn't match up with what I've seen- the iPhone outsells any RIM model by themselves, but not combined. |
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 PolarBear03The bear formerly known as aaron8301Premium
join:2005-01-03 | reply to Dogfather
That may be true, but I think a more realistic comparison would be all Apple phones vs. all Blackberry phones, or all Nokia phones, etc. What everyone fails to realize is that the iPhone is ONE model of phone, whereas BB or Nokia puts out dozens of models.
It's akin to saying the Explorer has sold more than the Tahoe or Suburban or Trailblazer; sure it has, but does that mean Ford sells more than Chevy? Of course not. Comparing one model to a group of models just doesn't make sense. |
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PolarBear03The bear formerly known as aaron8301Premium
join:2005-01-03 | reply to Dogfather
As do most of the WM employees I know  |
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 ptrowskiGot Helix?Premium
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Putnam, CT
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said by PolarBear03:Once you start using Crack (berry), you never go back. I used one, and went back as have many others.
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BPremium,MVM
join:2000-10-28 | reply to PolarBear03
I must disagree. I recently stopped using a BlackBerry and went back to an incredibly flaky PocketPC phone -- and I'm much happier. Blackberries stink, largely because they don't actually do anything (except bounce e-mail through Canada and display it in plain text).
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PolarBear03The bear formerly known as aaron8301Premium
join:2005-01-03 | reply to ptrowski
Yes, we've had that debate. All I have to say is, the term "Crackberry" exists for a reason. |
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ptrowskiGot Helix?Premium
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said by PolarBear03:That may be true, but I think a more realistic comparison would be all Apple phones vs. all Blackberry phones, or all Nokia phones, etc. What everyone fails to realize is that the iPhone is ONE model of phone, whereas BB or Nokia puts out dozens of models. It's akin to saying the Explorer has sold more than the Tahoe or Suburban or Trailblazer; sure it has, but does that mean Ford sells more than Chevy? Of course not. Comparing one model to a group of models just doesn't make sense. Maybe because this is the first phone Apple has made. Kind of hard to compare a whole line of Apple phones when there is basically 2 of them. |
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ptrowskiGot Helix?Premium
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said by PolarBear03:Yes, we've had that debate. All I have to say is, the term "Crackberry" exists for a reason. Maybe because it was the first real popular smartphones with a keyboard. Now the market is flooded with them, but the term has stuck.
It's similar to how most touchscreen phones are being compared to the iphone.
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PolarBear03The bear formerly known as aaron8301Premium
join:2005-01-03 | reply to B
Sounds like you may have had an older, less capable model. The new models do everything. I can't live without mine, as I basically use it as a PC when I'm away from home. |
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said by PolarBear03:Yes, we've had that debate. All I have to say is, the term "Crackberry" exists for a reason. Yes. That reason is that they were the first to get mobile text messaging mostly right. People are no more addicted to them, specifically, as than they are addicted to TiVo or AIM over the other products in those categories. (I think you mistake people's addiction to communication for an addiction to a particular, rather lousy, product line.) And RIM/BlackBerry been resting their huge haunches on those laurels for many years now. It's long past time for them to disappear. I didn't expect it would be Apple to make that happen though.
Edit: To your last post, no, my Blackberry was several years newer than my old PocketPC phone, and it still stunk up the room. It felt like going from an airy forest to a prison. Yes, I've seen and worked on the even newer models and am still unimpressed.
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P.S. WindowsCE/PocketPC is still a mess in its own right, but I'll take it over BlackBerry and Java any day.
Edit2: Word choice struck.
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I have an 8703 BB with Verizon and I hate the thing. Only reason I have it is for work.
I like my G1 way better than the BB. |
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DogfatherPremium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | reply to PolarBear03
I think most employed people would rather not be at work at any moment. |
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Surprised some one hasn't picked up on this yet:
How can you compare Apples to Oranges Blackberries ? 
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 MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | reply to PolarBear03
said by PolarBear03:Yes, we've had that debate. All I have to say is, the term "Crackberry" exists for a reason. It does. No one has gotten email right for BlackBerry users, not even the iPhone. I've tried to convert BlackBerry users to the Windows Mobile Platform and one user to an iPhone and they both sent the phones back after 2-3 days ... for a BlackBerry.
I like WM just fine and I used a BB for a few years, but the vast majority of folks who use a BB won't even touch the Storm because of the on-screen keyboard. My girlfriend and I played around with one when looking for a replacement phone for her this weekend and both of us hated it. It was sloooooow and extremely inaccurate. |
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MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | reply to Dogfather
Take out the Apple fanatics who like anything Steve craps out and the people who's first experience with a PDA style phone is the iPhone and what do you end up with? When you only have 9% of the market as the graph at your link shows, you're bound to have less people who are dissatisfied.
I think the more interesting link is that as the iPhone market has grown from 4% to 9%, RIM's market has gone up an equal percentage, from 38% to 42%. Clearly BlackBerry owners aren't buying iPhones. |
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EPS
join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA | That's actually a really good point about people's first experience with a smartphone being the iPhone... new owners tend to be more satisfied than those who have had the device for awhile and found all the little annoying bits that you ignore or miss at first. Also, new devices tend to work better than old devices...
I wouldn't be surprised if that's also part of the reason Palm's scores are so low- they haven't done much to get new users lately, so a big bulk of the users are probably experienced Treo types who have been suffering with outdated devices for years thanks to Palm's inaction and have only stuck with Palm out of misguided loyalty. |
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