Matt
Gone playing Dragon Age Origins
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Jamestown, NC |  3 Strikes and You're Out
I don't have a problem with the 3 strikes policy. There HAS to be valid proof and an appeals process however. But if you get 3 legitimate notices for pirating warez/music/movies and you don't learn your lesson ... you never will. |
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Chibooey
Just My Two Cents Worth
join:2000-07-05
Chicago, IL | The problem is MPAA would just send out warnings without proof. Historically their tactics have been very shady. |
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Matt
Gone playing Dragon Age Origins
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Jamestown, NC
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| said by Chibooey  :The problem is MPAA would just send out warnings without proof. Historically their tactics have been very shady. I agree, which is why there has to be an independent organization and an appeals process. I absolutely would not support a 3 strikes system if the MPAA/RIAA/BSA dictated directly to the ISPs who "they" felt were offenders via DMCA letters or whatever form they chose.
There would also have to be strict guidelines around what is considered infringement and what isn't. |
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Karl Bode
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robl27
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i do not support the MafIAA.. they are wrong, wrong, wrong.
i do not believe downloading music/movies/etc is considered to be pirating.
because downloading pirated songs actually would encourage people to buy the CD's if the MafIAA didn't fuck up.
we need to explore beyond what's at the top 40 play lists and allow other artists to be heard.
remember, i bought more cd's as a result of me downloading the song from napster before it got ruined.
»phoenixlabs.org/pg2/ is also good protection.
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Matt
Gone playing Dragon Age Origins
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| said by robl27 :i do not support the MafIAA.. they are wrong, wrong, wrong. i do not believe downloading music/movies/etc is considered to be pirating. because downloading pirated songs actually would encourage people to buy the CD's if the MafIAA didn't fuck up. we need to explore beyond what's at the top 40 play lists and allow other artists to be heard. remember, i bought more cd's as a result of me downloading the song from napster before it got ruined. » phoenixlabs.org/pg2/ is also good protection. -Rob  |
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swhitney2003
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I wish they would release it for Vista. I always use PG2, but sometimes I am on my laptop which has Vista and I'm not able to. |
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zduice
join:2001-03-03
San Dimas, CA
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Here is the piece that bothers me….
Currently, the **AA organizations are blanketing ISP with DMCA request . These request are processed with practically no evidence. The only proof being presented is that sometime in the past, something was shared and that something has a filename that loosely resembles the title of an item they hold a copyright to. At present, the burden of proof is on me, the accused to utilize my financial resources and prove that this file, for the sake of argument is my kid’s musical recital or perhaps an independent film of my own creation. Why should I have to prove this? Shouldn’t they have to prove my guilt through the preponderance of evidence, which is none except a simple filename.
Should an appeal process exist, it would without a doubt become so backlogged and in turn seemly ineffective. Then we have the question, who would pay for this arbitrating process? …the taxpayers, the ISP’s, the **AA, me? …none are suitable answers. |
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insomniac84
join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN
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There is no such thing an independent organization. And who is going to pay for it? The U.S. government(us) so the independent organization can become corrupted by any interest group or the MPAA so the independent organization always sides with them? |
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KrK
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| said by insomniac84 :There is no such thing an independent organization. And who is going to pay for it? The U.S. government(us) so the independent organization can become corrupted by any interest group or the MPAA so the independent organization always sides with them? Exactly. So the three strikes thing should be struck down.
OR should have a clause that says the MAFIAA has to pay any wrongly accused/mistaken notification victim say $100,000.
That may cool their jets.
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Kearnstd
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they should have to have absolute evidence that the person was committing the crime.
also since the economy is tougher, the ISP should charge the MPAA/RIAA with a $5,000 filing and research fee when a DMCA request is submitted that does not have a court order from a court local to the person they have in question.
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KrK
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Remember, we're dealing with people who think that buying a used CD is "stealing" from them or that failing to watch every advertisement = theft of service.
'Tards.
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pfak
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raythompsontn
join:2001-01-11
Oliver Springs, TN
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said by Chibooey :The problem is MPAA would just send out warnings without proof. Historically their tactics have been very shady. So why not just send three DMCA takedown notices to the MPAA's ISP? The ISP would have to shut them down as they could not make exceptions "just because". |
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SRFireside
join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX | reply to KrK
Sounds to me the three strikes policy should apply to the **ia organizations instead what with all the false lawsuits that are being uncovered lately. |
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C0deZer0
Oc'D To Rhythm And Police
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said by KrK :OR should have a clause that says the MAFIAA has to pay any wrongly accused/mistaken notification victim say $100,000,000. That may cool their jets. You need to add a few more zeros to that figure before they will be more cautious, bub.  |
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richdelb
Go Hawks Go
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Algonquin, IL | reply to Matt
In my book, any "3 Strikes" policy MUST include SEVERE punishment if the **AA's do not have PROOF. (How about up to $150,000 per incident, per day.) |
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robl27
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Mary Esther, FL | reply to pfak
this has mixed reviews but it's better then nothing! |
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