Re: 3 Strikes and You're Out in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r21561062 en Tue, 01 Dec 2009 19:00:45 EDT Tue, 01 Dec 2009 19:00:45 EDT Re: 3 Strikes and You're Out http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21567273 robl27 : this has mixed reviews but it's better then nothing!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21567273 Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:36:41 EDT Re: 3 Strikes and You're Out http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21565115 richdelb : In my book, any "3 Strikes" policy MUST include SEVERE punishment if the **AA's do not have PROOF. (How about up to $150,000 per incident, per day.)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21565115 Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:14:27 EDT Re: 3 Strikes and You're Out http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21564931 C0deZer0 :
said by KrK See Profile :

OR should have a clause that says the MAFIAA has to pay any wrongly accused/mistaken notification victim say $100,000,000.

That may cool their jets.
You need to add a few more zeros to that figure before they will be more cautious, bub. :o]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21564931 Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:41:47 EDT Re: 3 Strikes and You're Out http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21563704 SRFireside : Sounds to me the three strikes policy should apply to the **ia organizations instead what with all the false lawsuits that are being uncovered lately. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21563704 Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:49:57 EDT Re: 3 Strikes and You're Out http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21563695 raythompsontn :
said by Chibooey See Profile :

The problem is MPAA would just send out warnings without proof. Historically their tactics have been very shady.
So why not just send three DMCA takedown notices to the MPAA's ISP? The ISP would have to shut them down as they could not make exceptions "just because".]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21563695 Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:47:58 EDT Re: 3 Strikes and You're Out http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21563090 pfak :
said by robl27 See Profile :

»phoenixlabs.org/pg2/ is also good protection.
Using PeerGuardian is the equivalent of putting on a condom and then stabbing yourself with a bunch of HIV-infected needles.
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'Tards.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21562957 Thu, 11 Dec 2008 01:24:00 EDT Re: 3 Strikes and You're Out http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21561788 Kearnstd : they should have to have absolute evidence that the person was committing the crime.

also since the economy is tougher, the ISP should charge the MPAA/RIAA with a $5,000 filing and research fee when a DMCA request is submitted that does not have a court order from a court local to the person they have in question.
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said by insomniac84 See Profile :

There is no such thing an independent organization. And who is going to pay for it? The U.S. government(us) so the independent organization can become corrupted by any interest group or the MPAA so the independent organization always sides with them?
Exactly. So the three strikes thing should be struck down.

OR should have a clause that says the MAFIAA has to pay any wrongly accused/mistaken notification victim say $100,000.

That may cool their jets.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21561749 Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:01:23 EDT Re: 3 Strikes and You're Out http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21561626 insomniac84 : There is no such thing an independent organization. And who is going to pay for it? The U.S. government(us) so the independent organization can become corrupted by any interest group or the MPAA so the independent organization always sides with them?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21561626 Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:41:11 EDT Re: 3 Strikes and You're Out http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21561337 zduice : Here is the piece that bothers me….
Currently, the **AA organizations are blanketing ISP with DMCA request . These request are processed with practically no evidence. The only proof being presented is that sometime in the past, something was shared and that something has a filename that loosely resembles the title of an item they hold a copyright to. At present, the burden of proof is on me, the accused to utilize my financial resources and prove that this file, for the sake of argument is my kid’s musical recital or perhaps an independent film of my own creation. Why should I have to prove this? Shouldn’t they have to prove my guilt through the preponderance of evidence, which is none except a simple filename.

Should an appeal process exist, it would without a doubt become so backlogged and in turn seemly ineffective. Then we have the question, who would pay for this arbitrating process? …the taxpayers, the ISP’s, the **AA, me? …none are suitable answers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21561337 Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:52:46 EDT Re: 3 Strikes and You're Out http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21561205 swhitney2003 :
said by robl27 See Profile :

»phoenixlabs.org/pg2/ is also good protection.
I wish they would release it for Vista. I always use PG2, but sometimes I am on my laptop which has Vista and I'm not able to. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21561205 Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:25:23 EDT Re: 3 Strikes and You're Out http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21561091 Matt :
said by robl27 See Profile :

i do not support the MafIAA.. they are wrong, wrong, wrong.
i do not believe downloading music/movies/etc is considered to be pirating.

because downloading pirated songs actually would encourage people to buy the CD's if the MafIAA didn't fuck up.

we need to explore beyond what's at the top 40 play lists and allow other artists to be heard.

remember, i bought more cd's as a result of me downloading the song from napster before it got ruined.

»phoenixlabs.org/pg2/ is also good protection.

-Rob
:uhh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21561091 Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:00:42 EDT Re: 3 Strikes and You're Out http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21561070 robl27 : i do not support the MafIAA.. they are wrong, wrong, wrong.
i do not believe downloading music/movies/etc is considered to be pirating.

because downloading pirated songs actually would encourage people to buy the CD's if the MafIAA didn't fuck up.

we need to explore beyond what's at the top 40 play lists and allow other artists to be heard.

remember, i bought more cd's as a result of me downloading the song from napster before it got ruined.

»phoenixlabs.org/pg2/ is also good protection.

-Rob
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said by Chibooey See Profile :

The problem is MPAA would just send out warnings without proof. Historically their tactics have been very shady.
I agree, which is why there has to be an independent organization and an appeals process. I absolutely would not support a 3 strikes system if the MPAA/RIAA/BSA dictated directly to the ISPs who "they" felt were offenders via DMCA letters or whatever form they chose.

There would also have to be strict guidelines around what is considered infringement and what isn't.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21560996 Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:41:13 EDT Re: 3 Strikes and You're Out http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21560975 Chibooey : The problem is MPAA would just send out warnings without proof. Historically their tactics have been very shady. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21560975 Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:38:06 EDT 3 Strikes and You're Out http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21560958 Matt : I don't have a problem with the 3 strikes policy. There HAS to be valid proof and an appeals process however. But if you get 3 legitimate notices for pirating warez/music/movies and you don't learn your lesson ... you never will. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21560958 Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:34:52 EDT