http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r21566862 en Mon, 30 Nov 2009 03:11:42 EDT Mon, 30 Nov 2009 03:11:42 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21570635 Test99 : I think it's pretty clear that from BrightHouse's perspective it's Verizon that needs to be grounded!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21570635 Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:01:24 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21569218 anon : Its not so much the fiber connection that NEC is worried about, as the glass is not conductive, however, the FTTH Unit on the side of the house converts the digital light signal to digital electrical signal, which is then delivered to the TVs for FiOS TV via RG-6 Coaxial cable, Telephones Via round 4 pair in older homes, in more recent homes CAT5e is the normal for home phone wiring. Both phone and coaxial drops must be grounded. grounding through the ONT grounds all services offered by FiOS internet, phone and TV. When Verizon comes in and installs there services, they disconnect the cable tv drop and the phones POTS line, and run the wires to the ONT, thus disconnecting any ground from the internal wiring of the house. It might not seem like a huge problem, but not grounding the coaxial alone can turn into a horrible issue. Appliances such as TVs, answering machines, fax machines, computers can all back feed voltage through the respective lines. as a former cable TV tech, I experienced many service calls, that were for "bad/Snowy picture." I would start my trouble shooting checking signal levels through the house, and at the main splitter, and would receive a shock, usually not strong but once it was a good wake up call. Come to find out, a tv in the customers home would have a issue called a hot chassis, and would back feed voltage on the coax, trying to get to ground. One home had no ground and actually did damage to the cable main line tap by feeding ac power back on to the dc powered system, the tap melted like it was solder. They say electricity travels the shortest path to ground, i would say it takes what ever path it can find, with most going the shortest route. Also its safer to ground something that might not need it, then "knock on wood" a fire happens at a home and the fire investigator find that an electrical system "high or low voltage" is not grounded that could screw you out of your home owners insurance. leveling blame on the company that was responsible for verifying there equipment is grounded. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21569218 Fri, 12 Dec 2008 05:22:47 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21568013 bogey780 : A conductive material is going from the inside to the outside of a building. It needs to be grounded.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21568013 Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:55:10 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21567686 ramslt8 : Buried drops that are used in Florida that do have a 24ga "tracer" wire ARE grounded at the ONT or to the MGN at the house per Verizon's Bonding and Grounding Rules. There were some early installs (2005) that the fiber did not have a tracer so a 3 pair copper drop was buried along side of the fiber for locating purposes but those copper drops were not connected to the house they were just cut off at ground level.
Trust me we are in the LIGHTNING CAPITAL and we (Verizon)along with Tellabs have tried everything possible in trying to prevent ONT's from getting taken out by lightning. In fact the new 612A that is coming out is a result from Tellab's testing in Florida, 612A will have additional surge suppression built into the POTS connections.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21567686 Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:56:12 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21567620 ashworth : You are absolutely right that there are no conductive components of fiber(glass,rubber,plastic). But Verizon is required to properly ground ONT, if outside(lightning), the AC/DC outlet will only ground your ONT if it's mounted inside because electricity to the home is already grounded.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21567620 Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:41:49 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21567230 OSUGoose : Key word there, ur ferering to aerial, im refering to burried]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21567230 Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:28:27 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21567210 PoloDude : Educate yourself. Having spliced and cut down many of these
THERE IS NO METAL IN THEM! The are wrapped in Kevlar. Also very few of the tracable buried service feeds are actually in use.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21567210 Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:26:15 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21566862 anon : Goose you have no idea what you are talking about.THERE IS NO METAL IN A FIBER LOOP. There are fiber loops with a tracer on the side used for locating on buried jobs.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21566862 Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:12:16 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21566803 OSUGoose : is not what?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21566803 Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:12:16 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21566799 sneakaround : no...... there is no metal in a fiber drop. some have a tracer attached to the side but there is no metal in the drop. I have cut and stripped many of them.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21566799 Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:11:12 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21566726 OSUGoose : the fiber its self is. But the armored cable sheath that its enclosed, needs to be, unless they are refering to the fiber drops that are inside conduit, which i dont think had tracer wire sheathing or anything.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21566726 Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:54:41 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21566716 Dogfather : My point is if it's fiber, what are you grounding? From some other posts, I gather there is a metal reenforcement in the fiber drop.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21566716 Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:52:39 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21566669 DarkLogix : Prove it

its fiber thus non conductive]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21566669 Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:44:26 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21566574 OSUGoose : Yes there is, i sugest u retrain ur self.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21566574 Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:26:41 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21566559 PoloDude : There is NO metal in the drop. There are some drops that are buried that have a metal wire bonded to the side. This is used for tracing only and is not attached at either end.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21566559 Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:23:02 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21566460 anon : The AC/DC adapter ground doesn't count and all communication systems needed to be bonded to the common electrical ground to meet code requirements, simple as that.

Here's a general summary of what's required:
»www.mikeholt.com/mojonewsarchive···0701.htm]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21566460 Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:06:57 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21566396 OSUGoose : The metalic sheeting that protects the fiber drop needs to be bonded and grounded per NEC]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21566396 Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:54:18 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21566373 bobjohnson : From what i see of the installs they still ground the ONT to the 6 wire the same as we would a ground block with cable... So far I have seen quite a few installs grounded to water pipes and a few not grounded at all.

Edit: To say that that there is a distance limitation also...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21566373 Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:51:22 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21566326 Dogfather : I had FiOS and am confused as to what required grounding. You have non-conductive fiber coming in the from the street and my install looked like the ONT itself is grounded through the AC/DC adapter. So what needs to be grounded?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21566326 Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:42:45 EDT