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From The Register
11th December 2008 -
"People who use IE are not the most tech-savvy people. If you ask them about what security they have in place, they think you're talking about your house."
-- Matt Crowley, Microsoft program manager for IE "extensibility" |
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daT
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Toronto, ON | Re: What Kinds of People Use IE?
If we're honest here, that really shouldn't be a surprise to any of us.
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Shriyash
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said by SUMware  :"People who use IE are not the most tech-savvy people. If you ask them about what security they have in place, they think you're talking about your house."-- Matt Crowley, Microsoft program manager for IE "extensibility" To be fair Crowley was talking about people who still use IE6.
But hey, i use Firefox, so i must be very tech-savvy! |
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Darek
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Misleading title.
Citation is even worse.
Article is about IE8 , and the sentence you choose is about those “still using the security-challenged IE6”. |
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SUMware
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From The Register
11th December 2008 - quote:
And he [Joshua Allen, Microsoft IE evangelist] pointed out that Firefox users are more likely to "mess" with your business model. "They tend to install things like ad blockers, whereas the Internet Explorer user is more mainstream."
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SUMware
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said by Darek :Misleading title. Citation is even worse. The thread title refers to the citation.
The citation is accurate. He was questioned about IE6 and he said what he said. |
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Kayrac
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| said by SUMware :said by Darek :Misleading title. Citation is even worse. The thread title refers to the citation. The citation is accurate. He was questioned about IE6 and he said what he said. not to argue, but it's a very misleading title :P |
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SUMware
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2 edits | said by Kayrac :it's a very misleading title :P OK, OK, changed it (can't take the pressure).  |
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Matt Crowley
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Re: MS Program Manager - "People who use IE..."
Yea, it was in reference to a question I was asked on IE6. To clarify, I said "many people who use IE," just as there are some users of other browsers who may not be very technical either. The original article had a bunch of information misquoted as well, which was fixed an hour or so ago.
Putting aside how you may feel about IE v. FF v. Chrome... it would be ideal if users who were still on IE6 upgraded to IE7.
My response is also referring more to end users and not enterprises; users typically don't have GP's or enterprise security policy in place, thus can be more vulnerable in many cases (on many different pieces of software, not just browsers, and not just IE.) |
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How many years has microsoft had to correct the security issues in Internet Explorer ? How many versions of an in-secure Internet Explorer have been thrown out to the public ? So who are really the ignorant one's here ?
The public is not suppose to be tech-savvy people. Anyone who says that they should be needs to remove their heads from out of microsoft's buttocks.
The public is just that "the public"....everyday people with everyday lives....they are not Programmers or Coders or Security Expert.....they are just plain Joe and Jane Public. An since microsoft after countless years has still not been able to secure internet explorer suddenly its all the fault of the Public ? Because the employee's of microsoft are so incompetent that they can not secure their own product.......thats the public's fault ?
An on the flip side.....because malware vendors are not prosecuted when they infect internet explorer.... is that also the public's fault ? Because the microsoft User Agent screams "hey, look I am using internet explorer..please hack me? is that the public's fault as well ?
Now I am not a very tech-savvy person an when I purchased a computer no one enlightened me to the fact that a needed requirement was to be tech-savvy. See I thought I was purchasing a safe to operate computer system. All the advertisment would lead the public to believe that..........my degree is not in computer information technology.
How cowardly to blame the public. |
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I use IE, haven't been hacked yet, so I'm starting to think I must be doing something wrong (mind you I don't surf Chinese porn - edit - unless I'm looking for malware to bust or at least thats what I tell people  ).
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Re: What Kinds of People Use IE?
I still use IE 6(for updates only),Firefox, trying "chrome",and over the years countless other browsers, been making my own computers for years,use linux, not an expert mind you, but consider my self somewhat "savvy"......
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Re: MS Program Manager - "People who use IE..."
What am I doing wrong? I have been using Opera for a long time, but I'm not tech-savvy.  |
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Re: What Kinds of People Use IE?
said by Shriyash :said by SUMware :"People who use IE are not the most tech-savvy people. If you ask them about what security they have in place, they think you're talking about your house."-- Matt Crowley, Microsoft program manager for IE "extensibility" To be fair Crowley was talking about people who still use IE6. But hey, i use Firefox, so i must be very tech-savvy! I use Opera... that must make me a god! 
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SUMware
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Re: MS Program Manager - "People who use IE..."
said by Matt Crowley :
To clarify, I said "many people who use IE," The original article ... was fixed an hour or so ago. The Register changed the cited quote, as indicated, to "Many people who use IE are not the most tech-savvy people. If you ask them about what security they have in place, they think you're talking about your house." |
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IGGY
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All I will say is for those of you who continue to bash IE are not being honest in your assessment. Continuing to ignore the many security issues that have come about with your supposedly secure and chosen one browser. Interesting how I have used Internet Explorer for years and have yet to have any problems doing so.
It's interesting how supposedly honest security "experts" and well known online personalities still give very lousy security advice. Even more interesting is the fact that these same people and many forum members here continue to ignore or downplay security issues that have been just as constant in non Microsoft produced software.
Many of you are the same people that keep bashing Vista even when some of us have very strong evidence that you can run that operating system without issue very easily.
It really sickens me when I see many here and elsewhere who continue to say they have the best interest of users at heart. Yet these same people continue to give bias and honestly not valid advice in regards to product choices and security. I guess honesty is ignoring the many security issues that have come up with Firefox. And even more honesty is ignoring the privacy issues that have been discussed in regards to Google's Chrome. For many of you as long as it isn't Microsoft based you ignore the other facts.
Hate to burst some of your bubbles. But you are aware that the Firefox team has had dealings with Microsoft's Longhorn team years ago. That is right. Your supposed Microsoft hating software maker actually has hung out with the enemy in Redmond more than once. Can you say most have you have just bought into marketing hype!!
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So just because 'the public' is not tech-savvy, it is absolutely incumbent on someone else to make it safe for them to fuck up and click yes on anything they want, while still allowing them to do everything they want to do when they want to do it? This despite the fact that no-one quite knows how.
It's not like there are any other browsers that are entirely free of security problems either.
It's not like there IS in fact any solution to a user voluntarily installing malicious junk. Or reading web sites that say "you should disable all the software protection because it's inconvenient".
You know that obviously Microsoft could ditch (say) Active X tomorrow. On the other hand, all their customers that use Active X would not be very happy about it - particularly the ones that use Active X to build web sites. The end users would also scream if Windows Update suddenly remove their ability to purchase crap from their favorite web store, see animations of cute kittens, etc. Even if I think Active X should be taken outside and shot, it won't happen overnight.
In fact, the issue here seems to be that there IS a more secure version of the browser, but the people who need it most won't install it.
Calling people 'incompetent' is not always the best way to get them to listen to you, by the way.
Clearly I have my head up the arse of Redmond
My view of the disconnect here is that people get sold fully-functional operating systems without understanding that they need to understand them to use them. That is, of course, the fault of the vendor. There is NO full-featured operating system that is suitable for home use by average users. There NEVER WILL BE. My Dad doesn't need a computer, he needs a web-email-photo device. Unfortunately, all that is available to him is a 'computer' with an 'operating system'.
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Hey IGGY!
I still use an IE based browser... SlimBrowser. It's actually my default browser!
While not IE perse, it does use the IE engine and components. I just prefer Opera - been using it for years(back when you had to pay for it).
Not claiming to be a security expert or a noob, but I must be doing something right... no infections. Any of my machines.
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said by IGGY :All I will say is for those of you who continue to bash IE are not being honest in your assessment. That's your assessment.
said by IGGY :Continuing to ignore the many security issues that have come about with your supposedly secure and chosen one browser. Numerous members regularly post vulnerabilities affecting browsers other than IE, including FF, Opera, Safari & Google Chrome. Perhaps you haven't noticed.
said by IGGY :Interesting how I have used Internet Explorer for years and have yet to have any problems doing so. Nor have I and many others here.
said by IGGY :I guess honesty is ignoring the many security issues that have come up with Firefox. And even more honesty is ignoring the privacy issues that have been discussed in regards to Google's Chrome. For many of you as long as it isn't Microsoft based you ignore the other facts. Numerous posts have been made here describing both browsers. Perhaps you haven't noticed.
said by IGGY :Hate to burst some of your bubbles. But you are aware that the Firefox team has had dealings with Microsoft's Longhorn team years ago. That is right. Your supposed Microsoft hating software maker actually has hung out with the enemy in Redmond more than once. Yeah, and MS now hangs out with Linux. So what. Consultation can be effective particularly when trying to resolve security issues that affect similar class software across the board. |
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All I will say is for those of you who continue to bash IE are not being honest in your assessment. I haven't seen a lot of IE bashing in this thread, though there has been some.
It is to be expected that people who use IE tend not to be tech-savvy. That's simply a matter of IE being the default and pre-installed browser, so it is the one that non-tech-savvy people are likely to use. And that's what drives the statistics on browser use.
Personally, I prefer firefox. But I don't hesitate to try IE if there is a site where firefox isn't working properly (perhaps even a malware site I am checking). There was a time when IE was particularly risky, but those problems are mostly corrected by now. My primary security precaution is to use a limited user account for everything other than administrative tasks.
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