Topic 'Re: Comcast is scared....' in forum '' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Comcast-is-scared-21569806 en Fri, 10 Feb 2012 19:01:11 EDT Fri, 10 Feb 2012 19:01:11 EDT Re: Comcast is scared.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Comcast-is-scared-21591936
My monthly bill went from about $80 at the beginning of 2008 to over $115 without adding any services. I'm tired of their bullshit promotions that you have to call and threaten to leave so they give you another one.

I have FIOS at my office and the pricing has been the same for 2 years and no connection problems, unlike comcast going out every 6 weeks or so.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Comcast-is-scared-21591936 Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:13:42 EDT Re: Comcast is scared.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Comcast-is-scared-21583224 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Comcast-is-scared-21583224 Mon, 15 Dec 2008 04:35:52 EDT Re: Comcast is scared.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Comcast-is-scared-21578277
I'm a former INpulse customer that had no problems (I don't use INpulse now due to reasons unrelated to the service), and my Mom's been a VZW customer for years. I'd taken the phone on trips (I had originally bought it for a four-night/five-day vacation in Las Vegas, which is smack dab in Sprint's front yard; it would work even where Sprint's own phones would not) and never had it fail.
Never had a problem calling other VZW phones. Never had a problem calling landlines. The only times I had a problem calling another (non-VZW) cell phone was due to holes in the other carrier's network (Sprint and AT&T were the only non-VZW cell carriers I tried to call).

Roaming charges? Never got whacked with roaming charges (not even in Las Vegas). SO, again, I have to ask; what were your problems with VZW?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Comcast-is-scared-21578277 Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:23:55 EDT Re: Comcast is scared.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Comcast-is-scared-21575395 said by Rick:

First..if you allow another company to simply cherry pick the highest ROI customers..you create an imbalance that saddles Comcast with the rest. Who gets to pay for that in the form of higher prices? All the rest.Please cite a SINGLE verifiable instance where Verizon cherry picked the highest ROI customers? And I don't mean when they just start deploying in one section of town and get to a "lower ROI" part later in the deployment process.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Comcast-is-scared-21575395 Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:32:17 EDT Re: Comcast is scared.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Comcast-is-scared-21574931 said by Rick:

Year after year..comcast has raised HSI speeds and features..and charged zero dollars more for it.
Does that sound like a monopoly abusing it's power to you?
It certainly doesn't to me.
Comcast hasn't touched HSI prices because they're screwing the TV subs with annual (or sometimes twice annual) price hikes. I dumped HSI for DSL five years ago because of poor service and the high price and in those 5 years, my DSL rates have increased once while my cable TV rates were increased at least 8 times.

If Verizon FIOS were available where I live, I'd dump my Comcast TV service in a heartbeat. Unfortunately, AT&T dominates the S.F. Bay Area the chances of getting FIOS are slim to none. :(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Comcast-is-scared-21574931 Sat, 13 Dec 2008 04:21:53 EDT ROI & cherry picking do not go hand in hand/price based on costs http://www.dslreports.com/forum/ROI-cherry-picking-do-not-go-hand-in-handprice-based-on-costs-21574704
On ROI, why don't we see ice cream trucks driving around in the snow with chains on the tires; what are the chances of selling a lot of ice cream in 0 degree weather. Yes, someone may buy it but I wouldn't think many. As with any business, there has to be a return on the investment or it doesn't pay to invest.

As far as price, can you sell a $1.00 candy bar for $0.75 and stay in business. Verizon has to make sure they can make a profit, I think their pricing has been very fair when you consider what they offer compared to their competition.

My feelings, Philly's getting cheated and if I was a Philly resident, i'd be angry; thankfully for me, i'm not.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/ROI-cherry-picking-do-not-go-hand-in-handprice-based-on-costs-21574704 Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:29:08 EDT Re: Comcast is scared.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Comcast-is-scared-21574623 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Comcast-is-scared-21574623 Sat, 13 Dec 2008 00:58:16 EDT Re: Comcast is scared.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Comcast-is-scared-21574484
Anyone remember the VZW and Cell One Merger of Ohio? BAD MOVE! Alltel VZ merger is going to be another. Cingular and ATT was a bad move...customers treated like 2nd rate citizens by the carriers.

VZW up here in Toledo already is treating their customers like shit. I just heard a story tonight about a lady was 2 days late paying her bill called and talked to the Dublin Ohio call center and said it would be fine and they would put it in...went into pay her bill and upgrade her phone and they made the remark in a STORE OWNED BY VZW that how can she afford a new phone if she couldnt pay her bill by the due date. that was flat our rude and something should have been done but will most likely be done.

But That's what happens when mergers go and the good people are tossed out at the assholes are kept. And the companies wonder why shit happens just like Spent and Nextel. good employees from Nextel are let go and everything goes to Sprint's brand CSRs treat you like shit and Tech support isnt any better. Hell their own stores will tell you to leave if you tell them that its none of their business you want something done on your plan when they question why you want to add items.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Comcast-is-scared-21574484 Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:56:50 EDT Re: Comcast is scared.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Comcast-is-scared-21574252
If you call the Help Desk at AT&T 9 out of 10times you won't get someone in your own state or region let alone in the same country. And if the Help Desk can't fix your problem on the phone that SAME week you get a tech to your house free of charge no questions ask they come out and fix the problem.

We actually have the fastest internet in NW Ohio 20Megs down and 1 meg up. Digital Phone starting at $13.50 before taxes--rounds out to $20ish with a few taxes not a big deal. Plus that includes free long distance in 419/567 area codes here. ATT wants $30 for their basic U-Verse package.

But instead of ATT trying to beat on price and local service they're reps are going door to door telling people that in Feb 2009 their cable TV won't work anymore due to its not IPTV from ATT. I'm surprised the Cable company hasnt issued lawsuit against them yet for flat out lying. Hell, i'm surprised nobody in town has sued ATT yet for false-advertising with that.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Comcast-is-scared-21574252 Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:56:38 EDT Re: Comcast is scared.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Comcast-is-scared-21572980 said by competefairgrnds :

It is unfair for Verizon to freely jump in and cherry pick "rich neighborhoods" without serving "the rest of us", There is no verifiable instance of that occurring. They wire the good, the bad, AND the ugly areas. You people all act like there are some parts of an area they won't go into. They're already there. All those ugly areas already have Verizon phone lines to every address. They wire one CO at a time, and they do it all, whether you live there, or I live there.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Comcast-is-scared-21572980 Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:39:44 EDT Re: Comcast is scared.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Comcast-is-scared-21572788
I posted this in the Comcast forums, but here, so it get's more exposure on the front page...

I think it's complete bullshit that Philly's City Council is delaying the Verizon FIOS vote. Everyone I've talked to, ether non-technical or technical person, ALL SAY THE SAME THING. They want CHOICE. People are tired of having very limited options when it comes to cable services. DirecTV/Dish don't always count. Not everyone lives in a place where a dish could work. We haven't advanced DirecTV's dish like we have a Sirius / XM antenna. We may never get that far either.

Anyway, how can the council members deny Verizon? Just do a side by side comparison. Channel lineup cards, DVR software, Set top features, Broadband speeds, and Price. Not only is Verizon technically better, IT IS BETTER. They will deploy GPON and will provide 100+ MB/s speeds when the market calls for it. They already have 100+ HD Channels as well as HD-VOD. They have Multi Room DVR, they have web based DVR scheduling, they have games widgets and much better searching on their set tops. They are over 1000 times better than Comcast, and I would switch in a heartbeat. Everyone I know would switch. Our caveat is that Verizon has no intrest in my area. Philly on the other hand, being a big city, has plenty of potential. It would be in the cities best intrest to let Verizon come in there.

All cable can do is spend tons of money and time trying to stop Verizon. That's the most misguided and wasteful spending I've ever seen in my life. Instead of having a hissy fit like a fu*king 3 year old, Comcast needs to funnel that time and money into actually making their network comparable with Fios. I'm sorry but 30 HD channels is only a fraction of Verizon's 100+. Sorry but Comcast doesn't allow you to do Multi Room DVR. Sorry but if your into fantasy sports your not going to play it on your Comcast box. Only Verizon can think of cool features like that. Comcast is a f'ing JOKE compared to Verizon.

Fios is what the city needs. If anything it will take Verizon to light the fire under Comcast ass. IMO the Government should have NO SAY in this. If a company has the capital and wants to make a business venture in that area, LET THEM. It benefits the economy. Gives customers choice, creates jobs, causes competition that INNOVATES. How many times do you see one bank across the street from another? I know two Chinese restaurants less than a quarter mile from each other. How many times are two, three or even four different fast food chains right next or across from each other? We have many areas with different gas stations right across the street from each other. It's called competition, get used to it. Comcast needs to grow up. They have nothing to worry about if their product is top notch. But they must be shaking in their boots with all negative comments and lobbying they are doing against Verizon.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Comcast-is-scared-21572788 Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:05:45 EDT Re: Comcast is scared.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Comcast-is-scared-21572179
sue to stop competitor deployment, if that doesn't work buy legislation to stop competition.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Comcast-is-scared-21572179 Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:17:46 EDT Re: Comcast is scared.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Comcast-is-scared-21571296 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Comcast-is-scared-21571296 Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:49:34 EDT Re: Comcast is scared.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Comcast-is-scared-21570909 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Comcast-is-scared-21570909 Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:46:35 EDT Re: Comcast is scared.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Comcast-is-scared-21570891 said by hottboiinnc:

Their not the #1 largest carrier in America YET! deal has to be finished before that can be claimed.

But that will only be for a short time until the new Admin. says that all the telco's and cell phone companies are too big and split them all up and make them shed their cell phone business off.

Part of this merger should have been agreed that they keep the Alltel employees too which Toledo/Maumee knows we'll have more laid off people here due VZ will close the Toledo Market Corp. Office.
Its a business.

Right now in this country we need to trim the fat and let the muscle do the lifting. And these businesses are starting to do this.

You can't be so greedy and force them to keep people around.
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not in my area. Cable rates have been the same for years. Cable HSI rates have been the same for years too. No price increases with Buckeye Cable. Smaller cable companies can keep their prices low. larger companies raise.
Complete agreement. My ISP keeps rates the same and has caused AT&T, Comcast, & Clearwire to lower their rates in our service area to compete, but customers still don't switch. Why? Because the service is good and stable. It may not be as fast as what AT&T or Comcast offer, but people value stable, reliable, uncapped connections than the fastest *sorta works sometimes with caps and non-English speaking tech support* anytime.

Treating customers with respect has more value than the fastest connection could ever offer.
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But that will only be for a short time until the new Admin. says that all the telco's and cell phone companies are too big and split them all up and make them shed their cell phone business off.

Part of this merger should have been agreed that they keep the Alltel employees too which Toledo/Maumee knows we'll have more laid off people here due VZ will close the Toledo Market Corp. Office.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Comcast-is-scared-21570764 Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:24:17 EDT Re: Comcast is scared.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Comcast-is-scared-21570664 quote:
f only Verizon could become the top dog in wireless. Oh wait, they are.


Only by buying Alltel. Before that the top dog was AT&T. And Verizon's wireless is the NOTwork. They do have a good ad department though.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Comcast-is-scared-21570664 Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:05:40 EDT Re: Comcast is scared.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Comcast-is-scared-21570609 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Comcast-is-scared-21570609 Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:58:35 EDT Re: Comcast is scared.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Comcast-is-scared-21570608 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Comcast-is-scared-21570608 Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:58:34 EDT Re: Comcast is scared.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Comcast-is-scared-21570501 said by Rick:

You fail to consider how allowing them entry could in fact raise prices higher than normal in time.
That could happen in one of two ways.
First..if you allow another company to simply cherry pick the highest ROI customers..you create an imbalance that saddles Comcast with the rest. Who gets to pay for that in the form of higher prices? All the rest.

Secondly, we've all seen the news of verizons massive loss of landlines and dsl customers. There is NOTHING conducive in that which will allow verizon to be particularly price competitive in the years ahead and if anything..due to the high cost of the rollout itself..could cause them to RAISE prices higher than normal. What might comcasts move then have to be? To do the same because all verizon would have done is to cannibalize customers who otherwise might have allowed them to keep prices lower.


Both the massive landline loss and DSL customer loss were going to happen *anyway*. (Also, how many of both losses are to other parts of VZ? Specifically, landline losses to VZW and DSL losses actually being FIOS crossgrades or conversions?). All the RBOCs are in the same position when it comes to landline losses; VZ, as the second-largest, is going to suffer a larger impact than say, Qwest.

Rick, VZ knows as well as both of us and Comcast that absent either service differences or price differences, or both, most folks won't switch service providers (for anything); in fact, the entire reason CDV is gaining customers from VZ (or anyone else) is price. (So says Comcast's own ads.) VZ has, in fact, woken up and smelled the coffee; they have adjusted their programming prices for FIOS TV to offset Comcast's advantages (lower lease rates for STBs, and especially in most of Philadelphia, not needing STBs for cable-ready TVs).

Look, I have nothing against Comcast as a company (they have provided good service to me since 1999 for cable TV, and 2000 for HSI); however, I refuse to buy Comcast's argument that VZ will not compete on price (which they certainly will), or even that Comcast won't compete on price (which they are certainly doing with CDV). When you have two companies in the same business, on the same turf, the only way one can gain customers from the other is to compete - either on price or on level/quality of service. (Or, naturally, both.)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Comcast-is-scared-21570501 Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:41:24 EDT Re: Comcast is scared.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Comcast-is-scared-21570412 --]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Comcast-is-scared-21570412 Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:28:27 EDT Re: Comcast is scared.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Comcast-is-scared-21570383 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Comcast-is-scared-21570383 Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:23:46 EDT Re: Comcast is scared.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Comcast-is-scared-21570294 said by Rick:

in fact raise prices higher than normal in time.
do you mean faster than they do on their own with all of their unfees and below the line adjustments?

said by Rick:

First..if you allow another company to simply cherry pick the highest ROI customers..you create an imbalance that saddles Comcast with the rest.
not if comcast could actually compete with verizon in terms of features. again, fios is a buzzword. its something cool and hip. if comcast would compete with fios in terms of offered value-adds or even (*gasp*) prices...comcast wouldn't lose anything to the "higher roi areas". more cable shilling....

said by Rick:

There is NOTHING conducive in that which will allow verizon to be particularly price competitive in the years ahead and if anything..due to the high cost of the rollout itself..could cause them to RAISE prices higher than normal. What might comcasts move then have to be?
hmmmm...maybe not worry about investor profits for a year or two, suck it up, keep your prices low, and win your subs back? again, if comcast were really confident in where they stand, they wouldn't be spreading this fud.

said by Rick:

I don't think that Comcast, nor most tv companies for that matter..have unfairly raised prices and in fact...todays prices reflect a far better value than they used to.
just because technology advances, doesn't mean you have to pay more for it. in fact, my computers that i purchase today are *much* faster than my 286 and....guess what...i didn't have to pay more to get them...
epic fail again, rick. technology advances. as it advances, the costs of production drop. technology gets cheaper (unless you live on the bleeding edge) as time goes on.

said by Rick:

Prices are higher..but so too is quality and speeds and dependability.
like over-compressed hd video, consistently bottom customer service rankings, and techs/contractors that kill animals, people, and fill my house with sewage? much better quality of workmanship there.

said by Rick:

Despite some having a monopoly over the years..it's created a lot of innovation and value.
and a lot of higher fees. you skated *just* underneath anti-trust there rick.

said by Rick:

Year after year..comcast has raised HSI speeds and features..and charged zero dollars more for it.
Does that sound like a monopoly abusing it's power to you?
It certainly doesn't to me.
no, but we have new caps and just because you look at *one* service does not mean the other two haven't gone up...take off the blinders

said by Rick:

What has caused rates to go DOWN however for many consumers..is bundling of products.
unless you live in an area where you can't bundle, or you don't want to get shafted by the cable company three different ways. way to *slowly* move more towards a monopoly of the media services.

said by Rick:

And that's why so many landlines and dsl customers are fleeing the telco's. Because people are getting better deals by doing just that.
landlines are antiquated technology that most *younger* people see no value to. they have their cell phones. in ten years, this will be the same with coaxial cable from the mso. high speed internet connections will remove the need for cable. oh wait, i can't go over my caps. nevermind.

said by Rick:

I stand by my comments. I'm not against competition..nor against Verizon going into areas with fios.
unless it's comcast's home turf.

said by Rick:

wouldn't mind having that choice myself.
you'd have to go into work wearing a scarlet *v* on your chest.

said by Rick:

There is nothing conducive in that..combined with the high costs of a fios rollout..to fios in the years ahead being an inexpensive product. Again...I ask the question...what good does that do for consumers if all you did was to serve to weaken the other company?
i'm sorry, all i heard was ...blah, blah, blah...cable must stay strong.
again, if you walk softly and carry a big stick, let your products speak for your sleazy marketing and spreading of fud. you are going to raise rates with or without verizon. i love how your argument hinges on the fact that "verizon is going to take all of the rich subs, so we can't support ourselves". free market at work rick. can't handle it. fold under.

said by Rick:

You cause prices to go UP for everyone.
nope, the cartel-like structure of the msos/telcos causes prices to go up. i thought we've all made that perfectly clear.

q.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Comcast-is-scared-21570294 Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:07:30 EDT Re: Comcast is scared.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Comcast-is-scared-21570166 said by Rick:

"Hasn't the lack of competition also caused rates to go up?"

I don't think that Comcast, nor most tv companies for that matter..have unfairly raised prices and in fact...todays prices reflect a far better value than they used to.

I don't know about you..but back in the day I used to pay 300.00 a month for dial up internet by the hour.
Today..it's 20 to 50 dollars depending on who we're talking about.
Back in the day I used to get a few channels in black and white. Today..it's dvr's and high def and widescreen and color.

Prices are higher..but so too is quality and speeds and dependability.

Despite some having a monopoly over the years..it's created a lot of innovation and value.

Year after year..comcast has raised HSI speeds and features..and charged zero dollars more for it.
Does that sound like a monopoly abusing it's power to you?
It certainly doesn't to me.You may think they represent a better value but I know for a fact that competition lowers prices and/or has more features. In my area, there were 2 cable companies that were constantly competing. In the rest of the area with just Comcast, you had to pay for The Disney Channel, Home Team Sports and a couple of others that the competition area had as part of their package. And the prices were lower than the monopoly area.

And yes, I do remember the days of Compuserve and Delphi. I also remember when AOL came in and offered unlimited dial up which forced others to do the same thing and the prices came down.

said by Rick:

What has caused rates to go DOWN however for many consumers..is bundling of products.
And that's why so many landlines and dsl customers are fleeing the telco's. Because people are getting better deals by doing just that.

This is a sign of how a company growing larger and people moving more services to them DOES lower prices.
Many are leaving DSL for FIOS so all those DSL customers are not total losses. And we have already seen how Comcast can screw up a simple phone connection. (Remember the granny with a hammer story?)

The prices don't go down. I have yet to see Comcast lower their prices. It hasn't happened. Your argument will be they added more which is NOT the same.

said by Rick:

I stand by my comments. I'm not against competition..nor against Verizon going into areas with fios. I think it's a good technology and wouldn't mind having that choice myself.
But it does need to be thought through for the reasons I mentioned. It COULD lead to higher prices overall and actually be self defeating. People are failing to realize how the loss of landlines and dsl will be devastating to this company in the years ahead. And how it may weaken them.
There is nothing conducive in that..combined with the high costs of a fios rollout..to fios in the years ahead being an inexpensive product. Again...I ask the question...what good does that do for consumers if all you did was to serve to weaken the other company?

You cause prices to go UP for everyone.
Are you serious? You are fully against any OTHER company coming in on Comcast's turf. I could use your same argument that the Comcast phone service is causing people to flee landlines and causing higher prices for those who can't get their voice service.

You are fully against any competition because of who you work for.

And how do I cause prices to go up? If FIOS can do it better than Comcast, which in my case they did, then why should anyone not be allowed the choice of cable TV carriers? You sound like Comcast did when DirectTV came in and you guys were paying $400 to people who would switch to you and ditched DirectTV.

Try again.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Comcast-is-scared-21570166 Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:48:52 EDT Re: Comcast is scared.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Comcast-is-scared-21570130
Like cable didn't cherry pick when they first started rolling out either. I mean really no company is in this to make money to grow more , they are all in it to make sure the customer is happy and thats all that matters.

Comcast makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside when they stand up to the mean telcos and help us consumers out like this.

I for one welcome our new entertainment overlords comcast , and may I say as a qualified entertainment consumer i should be kept around to help get other customers from the nasty big company telcos turned over to the light side of comcast.
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I don't think that Comcast, nor most tv companies for that matter..have unfairly raised prices and in fact...todays prices reflect a far better value than they used to.

I don't know about you..but back in the day I used to pay 300.00 a month for dial up internet by the hour.
Today..it's 20 to 50 dollars depending on who we're talking about.
Back in the day I used to get a few channels in black and white. Today..it's dvr's and high def and widescreen and color.

Prices are higher..but so too is quality and speeds and dependability.

Despite some having a monopoly over the years..it's created a lot of innovation and value.

Year after year..comcast has raised HSI speeds and features..and charged zero dollars more for it.
Does that sound like a monopoly abusing it's power to you?
It certainly doesn't to me.

What has caused rates to go DOWN however for many consumers..is bundling of products.
And that's why so many landlines and dsl customers are fleeing the telco's. Because people are getting better deals by doing just that.

This is a sign of how a company growing larger and people moving more services to them DOES lower prices.

I stand by my comments. I'm not against competition..nor against Verizon going into areas with fios. I think it's a good technology and wouldn't mind having that choice myself.
But it does need to be thought through for the reasons I mentioned. It COULD lead to higher prices overall and actually be self defeating. People are failing to realize how the loss of landlines and dsl will be devastating to this company in the years ahead. And how it may weaken them.
There is nothing conducive in that..combined with the high costs of a fios rollout..to fios in the years ahead being an inexpensive product. Again...I ask the question...what good does that do for consumers if all you did was to serve to weaken the other company?

You cause prices to go UP for everyone.
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As for landlines, etc, that should only help Comcast's stability by picking up some of those people, now wouldn't it? That is not going to make them jack up the prices on Fios right after they get into PA. You are using the same scare tactics that Comcast obviously used in Philly. Prices are going to rise no matter what, we have all seen that.

So do you disagree that competition is not good for the market and consumers?
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Your first point only works if FIOS were to manage to lure a lot of people away from Comcast. If Comcast had a superior product, then this would be a non-argument.

You second point, so far, has not shown itself. In fact, neither Comcast nor FIOS really compete on price but on how many features (channels, VOD, etc.)
You are quite correct on this. I have a choice between FiOS and Cablevision and there is no price advantage from switching between one or the other. On this point alone, Cablevision has managed to retain a significant market share in areas where FiOS is available. As for me, I am sticking with CV because it works and I have no complaints. If FiOS came along with a steep discount, I might be willing to talk but that is not going to happen.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Comcast-is-scared-21570010 Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:21:12 EDT Re: Comcast is scared.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Comcast-is-scared-21570001 said by Rick:

You fail to consider how allowing them entry could in fact raise prices higher than normal in time.
That could happen in one of two ways.
First..if you allow another company to simply cherry pick the highest ROI customers..you create an imbalance that saddles Comcast with the rest. Who gets to pay for that in the form of higher prices? All the rest.

Secondly, we've all seen the news of verizons massive loss of landlines and dsl customers. There is NOTHING conducive in that which will allow verizon to be particularly price competitive in the years ahead and if anything..due to the high cost of the rollout itself..could cause them to RAISE prices higher than normal. What might comcasts move then have to be? To do the same because all verizon would have done is to cannibalize customers who otherwise might have allowed them to keep prices lower.


Only you could find a way to say that increased competition raises prices :uhh:

DSL has lost customers, some of their DSL customers have gone to FiOS. As far as landlines, many people are going wireless. If only Verizon could become the top dog in wireless. Oh wait, they are.

Now, since you raise cost issues, you do realize that the cost of rollout has dropped substantially? And if you were correct, why haven't their prices risen like you are saying they should where they have already deployed?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Comcast-is-scared-21570001 Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:20:14 EDT Re: Comcast is scared.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Comcast-is-scared-21569960 "First..if you allow another company to simply cherry pick the highest ROI customers..you create an imbalance that saddles Comcast with the rest. Who gets to pay for that in the form of higher prices? All the rest."

Uh, no. Verizon and city council have already agreed to a plan that would spread the deployment out in the initial phase to prevent ROI redlining. The agreement would have made at least two thirds of the initial areas to be offered FIOS in poorer neighborhoods. With the entire city to be wired in I believe seven years.

Your second point makes even less sense because Verizon will have to charge what the market will bear. That is the advantage of competition being good for the consumer.

I canceled my Comcast video because of poor customer service and defective equipment. Competition will make them better off. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Comcast-is-scared-21569960 Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:14:11 EDT Re: Comcast is scared.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Comcast-is-scared-21569925 said by Rick:

You fail to consider how allowing them entry could in fact raise prices higher than normal in time.
That could happen in one of two ways.
First..if you allow another company to simply cherry pick the highest ROI customers..you create an imbalance that saddles Comcast with the rest. Who gets to pay for that in the form of higher prices? All the rest. Wow. Use circular arguments much?

said by Rick:

Secondly, we've all seen the news of verizons massive loss of landlines and dsl customers. There is NOTHING conducive in that which will allow verizon to be particularly price competitive in the years ahead and if anything..due to the high cost of the rollout itself..could cause them to RAISE prices higher than normal. What might comcasts move then have to be? To do the same because all verizon would have done is to cannibalize customers who otherwise might have allowed them to keep prices lower.


Landlines have zip to do with Internet connectivity and pricetag. FiOS is "price competitive" based on the simple fact there aren't any caps. That alone is what's going to kill Comcrap regardless of whatever circular logic you spew.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Comcast-is-scared-21569925 Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:07:03 EDT Re: Comcast is scared.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Comcast-is-scared-21569920 said by Rick:

You fail to consider how allowing them entry could in fact raise prices higher than normal in time.
That could happen in one of two ways.
First..if you allow another company to simply cherry pick the highest ROI customers..you create an imbalance that saddles Comcast with the rest. Who gets to pay for that in the form of higher prices? All the rest.

Secondly, we've all seen the news of verizons massive loss of landlines and dsl customers. There is NOTHING conducive in that which will allow verizon to be particularly price competitive in the years ahead and if anything..due to the high cost of the rollout itself..could cause them to RAISE prices higher than normal. What might comcasts move then have to be? To do the same because all verizon would have done is to cannibalize customers who otherwise might have allowed them to keep prices lower.
Your first point only works if FIOS were to manage to lure a lot of people away from Comcast. If Comcast had a superior product, then this would be a non-argument.

You second point, so far, has not shown itself. In fact, neither Comcast nor FIOS really compete on price but on how many features (channels, VOD, etc.)

Are you really auguring that competition brings higher prices? Hasn't the lack of competition also caused rates to go up?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Comcast-is-scared-21569920 Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:06:03 EDT Re: Comcast is scared.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Comcast-is-scared-21569852 That could happen in one of two ways.
First..if you allow another company to simply cherry pick the highest ROI customers..you create an imbalance that saddles Comcast with the rest. Who gets to pay for that in the form of higher prices? All the rest.

Secondly, we've all seen the news of verizons massive loss of landlines and dsl customers. There is NOTHING conducive in that which will allow verizon to be particularly price competitive in the years ahead and if anything..due to the high cost of the rollout itself..could cause them to RAISE prices higher than normal. What might comcasts move then have to be? To do the same because all verizon would have done is to cannibalize customers who otherwise might have allowed them to keep prices lower.


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If Comcast has a superior product, they have nothing to worry about. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Comcast-is-scared-21569806 Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:44:30 EDT