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Firefox is the Most Vulnerable Application in 2008

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Firefox is the most vulnerable application in 2008
The Most Vulnerable Applications in 2008
To help IT departments better understand the vulnerable applications running in their environment and what they can do about them, Bit9 has created a research brief listing the top 12 popular applications with known vulnerabilities for the year 2008.

Five of the top 12 applications with known vulnerabilities include:
- Mozilla Firefox, versions 2.x and 3.x
- Adobe Acrobat, versions 8.1.2 and 8.1.1
- Microsoft Windows Live (MSN) Messenger, versions 4.7 and 5.1
- Apple iTunes, versions 3.2 and 3.1.2
- Skype, version 3.5.0.248

»www.bit9.com/landing/2008vulnerableapps.php
»www.bit9.com/news-events/press-r···p?id=102
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Re: Daft list names Firefox, Adobe and VMWare as top threats

Note: matunga retitled the thread from the original "Daft list names Firefox, Adobe and VMWare as top threats" since my post.

More from your link:

quote:
Bit9, Inc., the pioneer and leader in Enterprise Application Whitelisting, unveiled its annual ranking of popular consumer applications with known security vulnerabilities. Often running outside of the IT department’s knowledge or control, these applications can be difficult to detect; they create data leakage risk in endpoints that are otherwise secure; and cause compliance breaches that can result in costly fines. The list, published in a research brief entitled “2008’s Popular Applications with Critical Vulnerabilities,” is designed to highlight the need for greater visibility and control over organizations’ endpoints, including laptops, PCs servers and Point-of-Sale systems.

each application on the list has the following characteristics:

Runs on Microsoft Windows.
• Is well-known in the consumer space and frequently downloaded by individuals.
Is not classified as malicious by enterprise IT organizations or security vendors.
• Contains at least one critical vulnerability that was:
o first reported in January 2008 or after,
o registered in the U.S. National Institute of Standards and Technology’s (NIST) official vulnerability database at »nvd.nist.gov, and given a severity rating of high (between 7.0-10.0) on the Common Vulnerability Scoring System (CVSS).

["The biggies"]

Relies on the end user, rather than a central IT administrator, to manually patch or upgrade the software to eliminate the vulnerability, if such a patch exists.

The application cannot be automatically and centrally updated via free Enterprise tools such as Microsoft SMS & WSUS.

To read the full list of applications, which includes products from Symantec, Yahoo!, Trend Micro, Sun Microsystems and more, download the research report at: »bit9.com/landing/2008vulnerableapps.php. There, IT managers can learn more about the application vulnerabilities, along with the benefits of using application white listing, a proactive approach to endpoint security.
[emphasis added]

It is important to notice the caveats. You'll never see MS IE in this list.

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Bit9 is not an independent, impartial testing/reporting agency. This is a promotional and marketing tool.

»www.bit9.com/about/index.php
quote:
Bit9 is the pioneer and leader in Enterprise Application Whitelisting. The company's patented solutions ensure only trusted and authorized applications are allowed to run on Windows computers, eliminating the risk caused by malicious, illegal and unauthorized software.

Bit9 is privately held and based in Waltham, Massachusetts.

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OT but...

said by SUMware See Profile :

Note: matunga retitled the thread from the original "Daft list names Firefox, Adobe and VMWare as top threats"...
I've never had an opinion on the merits of matunga See Profile's posts but this type of manipulation helps me understand some of the harsher criticism I've seen directed at him.

Personally I'd rather be guilty of posting something that flew in face of an agenda rather than manipulating facts to support an agenda.

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Re: Firefox is the Most Vulnerable Application in 2008

Also don't forget to mention things like:
»Internet Explorer Data Binding Memory Corruption Vuln

Vulnerability in Internet Explorer Could Allow Remote Code Execution
»Microsoft Security Advisory (961051)

Microsoft Internet Explorer contains an invalid pointer vulnerability in its data binding code, which can allow a remote, unauthenticated attacker to execute arbitrary code on a vulnerable system.
»www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/493881

A stack buffer overflow vulnerability in the Microsoft Windows Server service may allow a remote, unauthenticated attacker to execute arbitrary code with SYSTEM privileges.
»www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/827267

The WordPad Text Converter for Word 97 files included in some versions of Windows contains an unspecified error which can allow a remote, unauthenticated attacker to execute arbitrary code on a vulnerable system.
»www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/926676

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The Register also had an article abount this matter.
»www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/12···at_list/
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said by Frodo See Profile :

The Register also had an article abount this matter.
»www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/12···at_list/
Thanks for the link. From The Reg:
said by The Register :
Daft list names Firefox, Adobe and VMWare as top threats[now we know where matunga got the original thread title (dictionary def. - daft: 1. Mad; crazy. 2. Foolish; stupid.)]

Bit9 trolls for publicity

Vulnerable applications that fail to lend themselves to updating through corporate tools are creating a security gap, according to a ludicrous list from whitelisting firm Bit9.

Bit9's list of "threats in plain sight" names Firefox at the top of a "Dirty Dozen", essentially because it's both popular and has been the subject of critical vulnerabilities over the last year. Firefox and many of the other applications listed, including iTunes and Acrobat, do have auto-updating features, though that's not obvious from what Bit9 says.

True, as the little-known Bit9 suggests, many of these applications are infrequently updated, but to go on to suggest that they are akin to more inappropriate applications such as P2P file sharing programs and the like is a bit much. Throwing VMWare and Symantec into the list is just plain silly. And when Bit9 releases its report in PDF format while implying Acrobat is an "under the radar" security threat, you really have to wonder what's going on.

"Often running outside of the IT department’s knowledge or control, these applications can be difficult to detect; they create data leakage risk in endpoints that are otherwise secure; and cause compliance breaches that can result in costly fines," Bit9 said (our emphasis).

We've emailed the firm challenging it to come up with evidence of any organisation fined for using iTunes or Firefox, no word yet.

Bit9 said its research is designed to "highlight the need for greater visibility and control over organizations’ endpoints, including laptops, PCs servers and Point-of-Sale systems". End-point protection, preventing malware infection and keeping patches up to date on clients, is a key topic in information security but to overplay the significance of users installing Yahoo! on their machines contributes little to the debate.

Bit9's research report (pdf, registration required) list the "Dirty Dozen" applications as below (actually a list of software developers, like Apple and Symantec, not applications at all).

01. Mozilla Firefox
02. Adobe Flash & Acrobat
03. EMC VMware Player, Workstation and other products
04. Sun Java Runtime Environment (JRE)
05. Apple QuickTime, Safari & iTunes
06. Symantec
07. Trend Micro
08. Citrix Products
09. Aurigma, Lycos
10. Skype
11. Yahoo! Assistant
12. Microsoft Windows Live (MSN) Messenger

The list only covers Windows apps popular with consumers (so how does Citrix get in the list?), that had a critical vulnerability over the last year, and rely on end users to update, as explained in Bit9's flame-baiting press release here.
matunga - fail.
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Yup, FF is so vulnerable. I am ready to redo the machine that runs (was fully patched) IE because it has been infected again. My two FF machines are still looking good, only time IE is used on them is to do Microsoft Tuesday updates. Have to have the IE machine because of all the M$ fanboys (like the US government) who write M$ specific pages that only IE can run.

Of course, this time it may have been a Flash site that did it since this is the first time I allowed Flash to be added on that machine, never again!.
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This is a gimmick by bit9 to sell their products/services. Obviously they left off IE and other very vulnerable applications since it doesn't fit their revenue model. Sounds like the "visit our website and we'll give you a free virus scan" gimmick isn't working for them.
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Re: Firefox is the Most Vulnerable Application in 2008

Agreed, it's a total crock of you know what.

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said by matunga See Profile
...My two FF machines are still looking good, only time IE is used on them is to do Microsoft Tuesday updates. Have to have the IE machine because of all the M$ fanboys (like the US government) who write M$ specific pages that only IE can run....
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I have had no trouble running MU with IEtab or IEView as well as most sites that use IE specific tags. I don't know if the virtualization exposes the same security nor what your opinion is on these extensions however (like a memory leak) but Its something I like to point out whenever I hear about this.

Shame likewise politics like this have to happen though as I know several A++ certs who believe the same thing that firefox is less secure than IE. The fact you even need a extension like this is sad as well

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No worries!
I use Opera!

Yes, I'm THAT bored...
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Re: Firefox is the Most Vulnerable Application in 2008

Try another browser

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Re: Firefox is the Most Vulnerable Application in 2008

said by De Hollander See Profile :

Try another browser
There isn't a better one to try... Opera is it.
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Sorry, this is just more crap.
Matunga is the perfect shill. Just posts some FUD then never replies or discusses his own posts, that way he never is trapped into admitting he is wrong or biased.
He is both wrong and biased.

Steve
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Re: Firefox is the Most Vulnerable Application in 2008

said by PrntRhd See Profile :

He is both wrong and biased.
Everybody has a bias - what's wrong with that?
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said by Steve See Profile :

said by PrntRhd See Profile :

He is both wrong and biased.
Everybody has a bias - what's wrong with that?
Nothing, I at least admit my bias if cornered.

Matunga has posted 469 times in 487 visits. He only posts, not here to discuss anything. The record speaks for itself.

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said by Steve See Profile :

Everybody has a bias - what's wrong with that?
it has to be a shared bias?

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said by Steve See Profile :

said by PrntRhd See Profile :

He is both wrong and biased.
Everybody has a bias - what's wrong with that?
matunga's bias is not the issue. The concern is his intentional, willful and repeated attempts to mislead, deceive, and lie in order to promote his agenda.

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Re: Firefox is the Most Vulnerable Application in 2008

said by SUMware See Profile :

matunga's bias is not the issue. The concern is his intentional, willful and repeated attempts to mislead, deceive, and lie in order to promote his agenda.
And we have a winner; thank you.

Doobie

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said by SUMware See Profile :

matunga's bias is not the issue. The concern is his intentional, willful and repeated attempts to mislead, deceive, and lie in order to promote his agenda.
Sorry, new here. What would matunga See Profile's agenda be?

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said by Doobie :

said by SUMware See Profile :

matunga's bias is not the issue. The concern is his intentional, willful and repeated attempts to mislead, deceive, and lie in order to promote his agenda.
Sorry, new here. What would matunga See Profile's agenda be?
To get newbies like your self to fall for his fud.

Case and point »Test finds Internet Explorer is Worlds worst browser
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Re: Firefox is the Most Vulnerable Application in 2008

said by MarkAW See Profile :

To get newbies like your self...
MarkAW See Profile. I said I was "new here", not that I was a newbie. I believe there's a difference,

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said by Doobie :

said by MarkAW See Profile :

To get newbies like your self...
MarkAW See Profile. I said I was "new here", not that I was a newbie. I believe there's a difference,
What i said wasn't meant to be insulting to you and if that was the way i came across to you i apologise.
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said by Doobie :

Sorry, new here. What would matunga See Profile's agenda be?
Welcome!

matunga See Profile believes that open source is less secure than Microsoft's stuff — which is a legitimately debatable point — but s/he does drive-by postings with partial or misleading information in an attempt to warrant a pro-Microsoft conclusion.

When s/he does this, the frothing fanboys come out of the woodwork and fall over themselves to correct the record and abuse the OP. It's almost unheard of for matunga See Profile to respond to counterpoints, but it has happened once or twice.

His/her attempts have been so shameless and disingenuous (and tiring), that it really borders on trolling, but since there is always a figment of reality, some of us attempt non-frothing rebuttals to allow onlookers to come to their own conclusions.

Steve
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Re: Firefox is the Most Vulnerable Application in 2008

Speaking as a practitioner of the software arts, I'm highly amused by phrases like 'most vulnerable', as if there's some standard measurement of 'vulnerability' that is well-known to all. (I don't know what such a measurement might be, but it wouldn't be 'consider all defects equally').

New contest: when we do have such an international standard unit, what should its name be?
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said by Steve See Profile :

said by Doobie :

Sorry, new here. What would matunga See Profile's agenda be?
Welcome!

matunga See Profile believes that open source is less secure than Microsoft's stuff — which is a legitimately debatable point — but s/he does drive-by postings with partial or misleading information in an attempt to warrant a pro-Microsoft conclusion.

When s/he does this, the frothing fanboys come out of the woodwork and fall over themselves to correct the record and abuse the OP. It's almost unheard of for matunga See Profile to respond to counterpoints, but it has happened once or twice.

His/her attempts have been so shameless and disingenuous (and tiring), that it really borders on trolling, but since there is always a figment of reality, some of us attempt non-frothing rebuttals to allow onlookers to come to their own conclusions.

Steve
Yes, he is either a troll, or works in Microsofts FUD department. I have seen many like him, let the facts burry the FUD (unfortunetly, people (possibly non techy) see the headline and believe whatever it says.

Doobie

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said by Steve See Profile :

Welcome!
Many thanks, Steve See Profile].

As far as I can see, matunga See Profile is just reporting what s//he finds somewhere else in the Net. I mean, this is not matunga See Profile's own findings and spin?

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said by SUMware See Profile :

said by Steve See Profile :

said by PrntRhd See Profile :

He is both wrong and biased.
Everybody has a bias - what's wrong with that?
matunga's bias is not the issue. The concern is his intentional, willful and repeated attempts to mislead, deceive, and lie in order to promote his agenda.
AMEN!

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matunga's bias is not the issue. The concern is his intentional, willful and repeated attempts to mislead, deceive, and lie in order to promote his agenda.
But aren't people overreacting?

matunga See Profile's criticisms of open source are so easily and so speedily answered, that I think the overall effect is positive for open source. And when we spend too many posts in ad hominem response, that tends to make the open source community look bad.

I think we would do better by simply responding appropriately to the issues raised by matunga See Profile, and leaving it at that.

Incidently, when matunga See Profile originally started this thread with a title "Daft list names Firefox, Adobe and VMWare as top threats", I thought he had gotten something right for a change. But then he came back and changed the title. Such is life.
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said by nwrickert See Profile :

matunga's bias is not the issue. The concern is his intentional, willful and repeated attempts to mislead, deceive, and lie in order to promote his agenda.
But aren't people overreacting?
No. Any poster that repeadedly attempts to blatently misinform others, irregardless of their agenda, should draw negative reaction.
said by nwrickert See Profile :

And when we spend too many posts in ad hominem response, that tends to make the open source community look bad.
Not if the responses are pertinent, accurate and direct.
said by nwrickert See Profile :

I think we would do better by simply responding appropriately to the issues raised by matunga See Profile, and leaving it at that.
Agreed. So your next comment below... would you still judge it appropriate by your standard?
said by nwrickert See Profile :

Incidently, when matunga See Profile originally started this thread with a title "Daft list names Firefox, Adobe and VMWare as top threats", I thought he had gotten something right for a change. But then he came back and changed the title. Such is life.
??? (can you imagine matunga's growing overwhelming dread when he realized that he got it right? oops, there I go. sorry.)

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Personally, I'm rather biased against sharing my biases.

At least M shares. Freely. Even profusely...
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I love Firefox!!!!!

Sorry

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Considering I've never heard of these clowns before, and my bias is towards organizations who tend to be in the game more then posting one flame bait article a year, I think I'll just blow off this topic/information as wasted electrons.

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Actually, I look forward to M's threads. I learn more about a wide variety of Microsoft software problems from the threads Matunga starts than from any other single source. The rebuttals to his posts almost invariably include copious references to reports citing Microsoft's own (and, yes, others') software problems that I often otherwise never knew existed... and, in some cases, I've been able to take action accordingly.

I consider his threads "must-read" (not his posts, necessarily) - purely for the stimulating and revealing responses they provoke. Just another example of the "law of unintended consequences" regarding his intentions in posting, I suppose...
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