SUMware
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Re: Firefox is the Most Vulnerable Application in 2008
said by Steve  :said by PrntRhd :He is both wrong and biased. Everybody has a bias - what's wrong with that? matunga's bias is not the issue. The concern is his intentional, willful and repeated attempts to mislead, deceive, and lie in order to promote his agenda. |
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Steve
I'm a PC, so shut up
Consultant
join:2001-03-10
Yorba Linda, CA
| said by SUMware : matunga's bias is not the issue. The concern is his intentional, willful and repeated attempts to mislead, deceive, and lie in order to promote his agenda. And we have a winner; thank you. |
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Stray Bullet
Dangerous?
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join:2004-04-03
Rochester, NY | reply to matunga
I love Firefox!!!!!
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Link Logger
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-29
Calgary, AB
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Considering I've never heard of these clowns before, and my bias is towards organizations who tend to be in the game more then posting one flame bait article a year, I think I'll just blow off this topic/information as wasted electrons.
Blake
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Vendor: Author of Link Logger which is a traffic analysis and firewall logging tool |
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Doobie
@tele.dk
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said by SUMware :matunga's bias is not the issue. The concern is his intentional, willful and repeated attempts to mislead, deceive, and lie in order to promote his agenda. Sorry, new here. What would matunga 's agenda be? |
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MarkAW
Barry White or lil bratt
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Canada
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·Cogeco Cable
1 edit | said by Doobie :said by SUMware :matunga's bias is not the issue. The concern is his intentional, willful and repeated attempts to mislead, deceive, and lie in order to promote his agenda. Sorry, new here. What would matunga 's agenda be? To get newbies like your self to fall for his fud.
Case and point »Test finds Internet Explorer is Worlds worst browser
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tempnexus
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Boston, MA
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Re: Firefox is the Most Vulnerable Application in 2008
said by SUMware :said by Steve :said by PrntRhd :He is both wrong and biased. Everybody has a bias - what's wrong with that? matunga's bias is not the issue. The concern is his intentional, willful and repeated attempts to mislead, deceive, and lie in order to promote his agenda. AMEN! |
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Steve
I'm a PC, so shut up
Consultant
join:2001-03-10
Yorba Linda, CA
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said by Doobie : Sorry, new here. What would matunga 's agenda be? Welcome!
matunga believes that open source is less secure than Microsoft's stuff — which is a legitimately debatable point — but s/he does drive-by postings with partial or misleading information in an attempt to warrant a pro-Microsoft conclusion.
When s/he does this, the frothing fanboys come out of the woodwork and fall over themselves to correct the record and abuse the OP. It's almost unheard of for matunga to respond to counterpoints, but it has happened once or twice.
His/her attempts have been so shameless and disingenuous (and tiring), that it really borders on trolling, but since there is always a figment of reality, some of us attempt non-frothing rebuttals to allow onlookers to come to their own conclusions.
Steve
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Doobie
@tele.dk
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Re: Firefox is the Most Vulnerable Application in 2008
said by MarkAW :To get newbies like your self... MarkAW . I said I was "new here", not that I was a newbie. I believe there's a difference, |
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dave
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join:2000-05-04
not in ohio
·Verizon Online DSL
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Speaking as a practitioner of the software arts, I'm highly amused by phrases like 'most vulnerable', as if there's some standard measurement of 'vulnerability' that is well-known to all. (I don't know what such a measurement might be, but it wouldn't be 'consider all defects equally').
New contest: when we do have such an international standard unit, what should its name be? |
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Blackbird
Built for Speed
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join:2005-01-14
Fort Wayne, IN
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Actually, I look forward to M's threads. I learn more about a wide variety of Microsoft software problems from the threads Matunga starts than from any other single source. The rebuttals to his posts almost invariably include copious references to reports citing Microsoft's own (and, yes, others') software problems that I often otherwise never knew existed... and, in some cases, I've been able to take action accordingly.
I consider his threads "must-read" (not his posts, necessarily) - purely for the stimulating and revealing responses they provoke. Just another example of the "law of unintended consequences" regarding his intentions in posting, I suppose...
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dmbt
join:2002-12-03
Basking Ridge, NJ
| reply to Steve
said by Steve :said by Doobie : Sorry, new here. What would matunga 's agenda be? Welcome! matunga believes that open source is less secure than Microsoft's stuff — which is a legitimately debatable point — but s/he does drive-by postings with partial or misleading information in an attempt to warrant a pro-Microsoft conclusion. When s/he does this, the frothing fanboys come out of the woodwork and fall over themselves to correct the record and abuse the OP. It's almost unheard of for matunga to respond to counterpoints, but it has happened once or twice. His/her attempts have been so shameless and disingenuous (and tiring), that it really borders on trolling, but since there is always a figment of reality, some of us attempt non-frothing rebuttals to allow onlookers to come to their own conclusions. Steve Yes, he is either a troll, or works in Microsofts FUD department. I have seen many like him, let the facts burry the FUD (unfortunetly, people (possibly non techy) see the headline and believe whatever it says. |
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Doobie
@tele.dk
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Re: Firefox is the Most Vulnerable Application in 2008
said by Steve :Welcome! Many thanks, Steve ].
As far as I can see, matunga is just reporting what s//he finds somewhere else in the Net. I mean, this is not matunga 's own findings and spin? |
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