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said by Doobie : As far as I can see, matunga  is just reporting what s//he finds somewhere else in the Net. I mean, this is not matunga  's own findings and spin? Yes, these are strictly news clippings from elsewhere, and any one or two taken individually are no different than other security advisories noted here.
But when taken in the aggregate, a pattern emerges:
* Always attempts (poorly) to imply that open source is insecure * No attempt whatsoever to engage in debate
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3.03 and prior was a bit vulnerable, quickly repaired with 3.04 |
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said by Doobie :As far as I can see, matunga  is just reporting what s//he finds somewhere else in the Net. I mean, this is not matunga  's own findings and spin? You may certainly choose to disregard matunga's long term MO and personally accept his posts as acceptable 'spin'.
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| said by SUMware :said by Doobie :As far as I can see, matunga  is just reporting what s//he finds somewhere else in the Net. I mean, this is not matunga  's own findings and spin? You may certainly choose to disregard matunga's long term MO and personally accept his posts as acceptable 'spin'. Many of us recognize his malevolence toward, and disrespect of, readers here. That outlook can be applied to several of the regulars here as well...  -- Think outside the Fox... Opera |
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| reply to SUMware matunga's bias is not the issue. The concern is his intentional, willful and repeated attempts to mislead, deceive, and lie in order to promote his agenda. But aren't people overreacting?
matunga 's criticisms of open source are so easily and so speedily answered, that I think the overall effect is positive for open source. And when we spend too many posts in ad hominem response, that tends to make the open source community look bad.
I think we would do better by simply responding appropriately to the issues raised by matunga , and leaving it at that.
Incidently, when matunga originally started this thread with a title "Daft list names Firefox, Adobe and VMWare as top threats", I thought he had gotten something right for a change. But then he came back and changed the title. Such is life. -- AT&T dsl; Westell 327w modem/router; openSuSE 11.0; firefox 3.0.4 |
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 dave Premium,MVM join:2000-05-04 not in ohio | reply to matunga Regardless of the merit of the linked articles, what is the point of posting links without accompanying them with discussion? |
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1 edit | reply to nwrickert said by nwrickert :matunga's bias is not the issue. The concern is his intentional, willful and repeated attempts to mislead, deceive, and lie in order to promote his agenda. But aren't people overreacting? No. Any poster that repeadedly attempts to blatently misinform others, irregardless of their agenda, should draw negative reaction.
said by nwrickert :And when we spend too many posts in ad hominem response, that tends to make the open source community look bad. Not if the responses are pertinent, accurate and direct.
said by nwrickert :I think we would do better by simply responding appropriately to the issues raised by matunga  , and leaving it at that. Agreed. So your next comment below... would you still judge it appropriate by your standard? 
said by nwrickert :Incidently, when matunga  originally started this thread with a title "Daft list names Firefox, Adobe and VMWare as top threats", I thought he had gotten something right for a change. But then he came back and changed the title. Such is life. ??? (can you imagine matunga's growing overwhelming dread when he realized that he got it right? oops, there I go. sorry.) |
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  Trel Good Evening Premium join:2002-10-08 Hillsborough, NJ | reply to matunga The one other problem is many times he lists a vulnerability that has already been fixed and a new version released.
However, never once has his post included that information. -- /chown -R us:us /yourbase |
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| reply to matunga Eshh.
I'm not sure if you all want to keep up with the drama, or actually talk about what this list is about.
I am a bit curious as to what people do about the vulnerabilities in things that are not easily controlled through central administration. The security team at my work told me the most popular means of attack that they are seeing is though a flash vulnerability. How do companies deal with things like this? |
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said by Steve :said by Doobie : As far as I can see, matunga  is just reporting what s//he finds somewhere else in the Net. I mean, this is not matunga  's own findings and spin? Yes, these are strictly news clippings from elsewhere, and any one or two taken individually are no different than other security advisories noted here. But when taken in the aggregate, a pattern emerges: * Always attempts (poorly) to imply that open source is insecure * No attempt whatsoever to engage in debate Steve I think that is what gets me going, Matunga does not listen to anything we say, and just announces whatever he has been programmed to say. |
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| There isn't a better one to try... Opera is it.  -- Think outside the Fox... Opera |
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| reply to matunga I call bullcrap on this big-time.
Firefox isn't perfect, but it's patched pretty quickly, and there's no way in hell it's the most vulnerable application out there.
No way at all. -- "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini
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| reply to PrntRhd said by PrntRhd :I think that is what gets me going, Matunga does not listen to anything we say, and just announces whatever he has been programmed to say. The whole issue is a load of crap anyway. ALL browsers have vulnerabilities. At least it might shut the annoying "FF is much better than IE" gobshites up for a few minutes.  |
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Agreed, it's a total crock of you know what. |
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