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Who's painting who as the "bad guy" here? Can't you just report the news vs how you want people to interpret it?
Amen. DSLR is a great site. But, it's not a great place for "getting the news." The front page should be renamed Karl's blawg. There's not even an attempt to present the news without "spin."
If this had been about "leaked" details of government surveillance, we wouldn't hear a peep about how the leaker may have selfish motives. Or, how such surveillance is consistent with existing US law (like it, or not.).
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| said by viperlmw:I would disagree. One of the things missing from 'news' is actual analysis. I think Karl does a great job on the analysis front. THAT's why this site is so good for news. Actually, I think pundit analysis is the wrong thing that has been added to many forms of media over the years preventing people from thinking for themselves.
Try analyzing things yourself and coming to your own conclusions. Op/Ed should be limited and we as consumers of information should be sending that message. |
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kudos:5 | said by Dec15 :Actually, I think pundit analysis is the wrong thing that has been added to many forms of media over the years preventing people from thinking for themselves. Try analyzing things yourself and coming to your own conclusions. Op/Ed should be limited and we as consumers of information should be sending that message. I generally do not disagree, but OTOH, there's something wrong with calling someone who is clearly a Snake-Oil salesman an "alternative medicine advocate."
Media ought to have an analysis role. Otherwise, they're just parroting the lies that they're told.
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said by viperlmw:One of the things missing from 'news' is actual analysis. You could be right. But, IMO, hubris isn't analysis.
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I don't recall seeing it this morning, but now the sub-title of the article says "Opinion".
It's progress, anyhow. |
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said by funchords:I generally do not disagree, but OTOH, there's something wrong with calling someone who is clearly a Snake-Oil salesman an "alternative medicine advocate." Media ought to have an analysis role. Otherwise, they're just parroting the lies that they're told. Historically "Snake-Oil salesmen" did not get media time so it was not really an issue. Just reporting the facts around Snake-Oil would also get the message across without the heavy handed commentary of today's pundits. The strongest weapon a pundit has is to use their forum to deamonize their adversary.
The problem lies when a reporter has strong personal or religious beliefs and tunes the language towards that being "the truth". If you try and re-read this story (and how it has been re-edited today) it is pretty clear.
There is obvious anti-cable/telco in news posted at DSLR. That is unfortunate as perpetuating hate does not make things better.
Limit Op/Ed and let the readers decide. |
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kudos:5 | said by dec15 :
There is obvious anti-cable/telco in news posted at DSLR. That is unfortunate as perpetuating hate does not make things better.
That's the stupidest thing I've heard in a week, topping even the WSJ article that launched this discussion.
The people that are here at BroadbandReports or DSLReports are here because they like high-speed Internet.
If they're "anti-" anything, it's antics that are likely to threaten the future of high-speed Internet. That's not an anti-Telco or anti-Cable bias, that's an anti-stupidity bias. And the news pages dish it out pretty evenly -- giving credit and discredit to companies, individuals, government bodies that impact the future of the Internet.
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said by dec15 :
There is obvious anti-cable/telco in news posted at DSLR. That is unfortunate as perpetuating hate does not make things better.
Limit Op/Ed and let the readers decide.
It is not a matter of "perpetuating hate", nothing like it, in fact. There is absolutely nothing wrong with pointing out the continuing insidious anti-consumer bias of monopolistic oligarchies like the Telcos and Cablecos. Especially, when the deep pockets of the major players allow them to hijack the content of the general media, substituting their own propaganda for factual analysis. If it weren't the case that consumers best interests are not being served by telecommunications company's policies and practices, there would be nothing to complain about.
The problem I have with the industry is it does not seek to provide the very best of service based upon a continuously improving technology and infrastructure enhancement at a fair and reasonable cost, including a reasonable ROI. Rather, it is their aim to minimalize investment in new technology and infrastructure, all the while milking the consumer at an ever more specious level of granularity for its obsolete offerings. |
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Re: Just the Facts said by ross:The problem I have with the industry is it does not seek to provide the very best of service based upon a continuously improving technology and infrastructure enhancement at a fair and reasonable cost, including a reasonable ROI. Rather, it is their aim to minimalize investment in new technology and infrastructure, all the while milking the consumer at an ever more specious level of granularity for its obsolete offerings. Does this include the steady speed upgrades given over the years without real increase in broadband pricing and the increased competition and new technology between the telcos (FTTH) and cable (DOCSIS3)? |
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I agree. I would like, i mean LOVE, to read a news piece that isn't intertwined with karl's opinion and fact, sometimes there is an extreme slant to one side or the other. I'm fine with karl having an opinion and all, but it doesn't (shouldn't be) have to be interwined with the facts. Maybe something along the lines of a small section of words explaining the relavent links and a clearly labeled AUTHOR'S OPINION section where the author writing the article and voice their opinion. |
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said by dec15 :
Does this include the steady speed upgrades given over the years without real increase in broadband pricing and the increased competition and new technology between the telcos (FTTH) and cable (DOCSIS3)?
You are allowed to pick one or the other. FTTH and DOCSIS3 both come with large price increases.
The legacy technologies (DSL and DOCSIS) did increase speeds and/or lower prices as all technology does -- over time, capability increases and/or pricing falls.
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said by cornelius785:I'm fine with karl having an opinion and all, but it doesn't (shouldn't be) have to be interwined with the facts. What would work well is if there was a weekly op-ed by Karl.
I follow www.osnews.com. They tend to just quote the opening (or relevant) lines of the news article, and then let the opinions be expressed in the reader comments. But, the editors (and readers) occasionally submit their own articles, which are presented just like any other news they link to, but clearly an opinion piece (not news).
The lines aren't always clear. The Register, Tech Dirt, et al. They tend to employ colorful hubris as a currency of credibility.
But, the way it is now, why even bother linking to the article? Just tell me what I'm supposed to think.
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hmm... sounds like a opinion. Comment section is the right place for that. |
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said by dec15 :
Does this include the steady speed upgrades given over the years without real increase in broadband pricing and the increased competition and new technology between the telcos (FTTH) and cable (DOCSIS3)?
I don't know wear you live, but here in AT&T territory, in Silicon Valley, I can't get anything but ADSL from them, period. It is delivered over the exact same F2 cable that I was connected to 30+ years ago. The squirrels in my neighborhood have eaten, or worn the insulation off, most overhead cables to the extent AT&T came out and covered up the cable bundles with a hard shell throughout the entire neighborhood. Too bad they didn't/won't replace the wiring.
The fastest nominal speed for AT&T ADSL here is 6Mbps/384Kbps, while my ISP (Digizip/COVAD) offers 6Mbps/768Kbps over the same lines. Problem is, there is so much noise on the lines my COVAD ADSL bounces at any speed over 3Mbps/520Kbps. So, I pay the same price for my connection as I did five years ago. I might be able to get 3Mbps/256Kbps directly from AT&T for 25% less than I currently pay, but I don't want to take the large overhead hit on either up/down speed. AT&T's uVerse is an obscene crippled dream that will likely never materialize here anyway.
Comcast HSI is available for 25%-40% more than I currently pay, but it just came up to 12Mbps Powerboost last year. DOCSIS 3 is a fantasy here for the time being since there is no meaningful competition in the area.
Verizon is not able to offer service in my area because it belongs to the AT&T monopoly. So FIOS is never going to be available here either.
My situation is typical of many subscribers in many Bell-Balkinized urban areas of the country, so where is the benefit from the Telco/Cableco duopoly? You insist vast improvements exist in the areas of technology, price/performance, upgraded infrastructure, but I can tell you it ain't available around here! I shouldn't have to move to get decent service...and don't get me started on CAPS, P2P throttling, etc.. |
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There are a very small minority of posters here who scream "bias" any time Karl posts something they don't like. Just ignore them like most everyone else does. |
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The ultimate irony I think is that the people who cry and whine about bias (through anonymous proxies or not) are almost always pulling a paycheck from the companies I'm criticizing while pretending to be objective observers. That's not only biased in and of itself, but hypocritical.
Even when not financially conflicted, I would guarantee you that the people in this thread concerned with "bias", were I to take a press release verbatim from a company website and post it as news without identifying it as PR, would have absolutely no problem with that information.
Crying "bias" is an easy way of disregarding an argument without having to think or make actual points -- and you'll notice almost always, those who complain about bias never have specific factual corrections to make....just vague, nebulous claims of unfairness....or in this case other nonsense claims, like I'm "perpetuating hate."
That's because the goal isn't accurate discourse, the goal is to censor discourse they don't agree with. To eliminate positions that challenge their world view.
The ultimate irony is we never claimed to be objective. This is a pro-consumer website. Our subjective biases in this regard have been very clear for going on ten years now. This piece even carries not one but TWO extra labels warning readers it contains heavier editorial content so as not to offend delicate sensibilities.
I'm fine with factual corrections. I'm always available by IM. But take the vague claims of bias (and in this case "perpetuating hate") elsewhere. I'm going to inject analysis into pieces in order to get to something that vaguely resembles the truth BEHIND press releases. It's not going to stop. Feel free to correct me whenever I'm wrong.
I'm sure users can get their news elsewhere if my analysis is a problem for them. There's a literal ocean of alternative options out there. I won't be hurt in the slightest if those of you incessantly obsessed with my "bias" want to go elsewhere. |
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