 PolarBear03The bear formerly known as aaron8301Premium
join:2005-01-03 | Who cares about 3G But here in the States, your only GSM alternative to AT&T would be T-Mobile, whose 3G footprint is substantially smaller. And whose customer service and prices more than make up for it. Even if the 3G doesn't work at all. |
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| I have an iPhone 3G, and the difference between 3G and EDGE is, perceptibly, like night and day. Imagine going back to dialup, when you're used to broadband, if that's easier for you to understand. Not only is there less bandwidth, but much more latency with EDGE, which makes Internet use unbearably slow, in comparison to 3G. It's not just Safari, either. Much of the iPhone's functionality is Internet-dependent, and 3G just makes for a much better overall experience. Oh, and even if I'm not even using the phone, I can tell when it drops to EDGE, when the EDGE frequencies start making other eletronics, nearby, make that horrible buzzing/beeping sound.
For customers who prefer to use T-Mobile, but want an iPhone, this can be good news(although, why wouldn't they already have a 1st-gen iPhone?), but don't downplay the lack 3G. |
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PolarBear03The bear formerly known as aaron8301Premium
join:2005-01-03 | said by Trollhawk:but don't downplay the lack 3G. It's not that I don't think 3G is important, but to use your analogy, I just think it's akin to Hughesnet vs. dial-up. Sure, it may be a lot faster, but do you really want to pay that much more for such a shitty service?
said by Karl Bode in a different article :even though similar studies by firms like JD Power rank AT&T as mediocre to poor in everything from call quality to customer care Also, »blogs.zdnet.com/ITFacts/?p=14829
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said by PolarBear03:But here in the States, your only GSM alternative to AT&T would be T-Mobile, whose 3G footprint is substantially smaller. And whose customer service and prices more than make up for it. Even if the 3G doesn't work at all. Wow, you love threads about the iPhone 3G. Easy to dismiss 3G when you don't have access to it.
So let's compare EDGE and 3G and you tell me who cares? Which would you rather have when downloading an application, streaming music etc?
Easy to dismiss something you don't have. With a smartphone I want speed and service, something I get with my provider.
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beaups
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Hilliard, OH | reply to PolarBear03
"pay that much more"??? It doesn't cost any more. Data plans on ATT are the same whether you get 3G or edge...
That said it's amazing how people HERE of all places say "who cares about 3G"...I'm truly shocked. |
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PolarBear03The bear formerly known as aaron8301Premium
join:2005-01-03 | said by beaups:Data plans on ATT are the same whether you get 3G or edge... I was referring to AT&T vs T-mobile, not EDGE vs 3G (as stated in my original comment that quoted Karl saying "But here in the States, your only GSM alternative to AT&T would be T-Mobile"). I have unlimited, uncapped EDGE from T-mobile for $20. It may not be the fastest, but it beats the $30 plan with caps for an iPhone. And I can tether it to a computer without any extra apps or plans. said by beaups:it's amazing how people HERE of all places say "who cares about 3G"...I'm truly shocked. The 3G footprint is small (even on AT&T). Unless you're in a major metropolitan area, you can't get it. And the whole point of a cell phone is to be able to take it anywhere. 3G isn't that great when it doesn't work in 90% of the country.
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join:2000-05-11 | Actually, that's not entirely true. My quad-band LG phone routinely runs 3G in places I would not expect it to, like Naples, FL or central and southeast Minnesota. AT&T seems to have 3G HSDPA operating in areas they don't necessarily issue a press release about. Maybe the band-limited iPhones can't find the right towers? I don't really care at this point.
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PolarBear03The bear formerly known as aaron8301Premium
join:2005-01-03 | reply to ptrowski
Yeah, you post those same pics every time this topic comes up. But what you always fail to mention is you're in the only area in the country with 3G coverage all around you. Take a trip to Albany or Syracuse, tell me how the 3G works along the way.
What about folks in Montana, Wyoming, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Iowa, New Mexico, or Arizona and Nevada sans Vegas, Reno, and Phoenix?
What about the rest of the country? Especially West of the Mississippi? How much of that map is purple? Not much at all. Sure, works great for you in Connecticut, but Connecticut only contains 1.15% of the US population. AT&T is a national provider, and should be graded as such. As far as the ENTIRE country goes, their 3g footprint sucks.
That's great that you get awesome 3G speeds on your iPhone. Just don't leave New England, even though you have a national provider.
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ptrowskiGot Helix?Premium
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So how is T-Mobile's 3G foot print looking? |
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beaups
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Hilliard, OH | reply to PolarBear03
the idea is it works in 3g in the places MOST people aremost of the time...and if you venture into, say, north dakota, then it slows way down to the speed you are stuck with every day. And why would tmobile put caps on edge? you can't download fast enough to hit a cap anyhow. |
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PolarBear03The bear formerly known as aaron8301Premium
join:2005-01-03 | reply to ptrowski
said by ptrowski:Nah, those are from today for you. So how is T-Mobile's 3G foot print looking? I never said it was better. said by PolarBear03:said by Karl Bode :
But here in the States, your only GSM alternative to AT&T would be T-Mobile, whose 3G footprint is substantially smaller. I said it was a better alternative.said by PolarBear03:And whose customer service and prices more than make up for it. Even if the 3G doesn't work at all. said by PolarBear03:I just think it's akin to Hughesnet vs. dial-up. Sure, it may be a lot faster, but do you really want to pay that much more for such a shitty service?
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PolarBear03The bear formerly known as aaron8301Premium
join:2005-01-03 | reply to beaups
I understand that, but the reason I have a cell phone is so it works all the time, wherever I go (and I travel a lot through many of the Western states I mentioned).
I guess there just aren't any people West of the Mississippi (except for right along the Pacific Coast). |
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ptrowskiGot Helix?Premium
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Please explain your definition of shitty service. Do the above speeds look shitty to you? |
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PolarBear03The bear formerly known as aaron8301Premium
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An excerpt from my personal wireless bill |
Some people care about customer service.
As I said in an earlier post in this thread (I'm noticing I have to quote myself a lot to you):said by PolarBear03:said by Karl Bode in a different article :even though similar studies by firms like JD Power rank AT&T as mediocre to poor in everything from call quality to customer care said by JD Power & Associates :Verizon Wireless ranks highest in wireless customer care performance with an index score of 103, followed by Alltel (102), T-Mobile (100) and AT&T (97). As far as national post-paid cellular providers go, AT&T's customer service is only superior to Sprint, which doesn't say much. Verizon, Alltel and T-Mobile beat them.
Some people also care about how much they pay for service.
I have four lines; two standard phones, two Blackberries. Both BBs have unlimited data. I can tether both BBs to a computer (really handy last time I moved and couldn't get residential broadband installed for two weeks). All 4 have unlimited SMS and MMS messaging. We share 3000 minutes.
As you can see from the attachments (I even bothered to shop for service from AT&T), I pay $220/mo after all taxes and fees. From AT&T, the same service on the same phones would be $320, before any taxes.
As usual, whenever a topic relating to the iPhone or it's 3G speeds come up, you fail to notice the specific topic of the thread and instead go on raving about how great the speed is. However, this thread isn't about the speed of 3G, but about the fact that the iPhone has been unlocked, and can be used on other GSM providers (in our case, T-mo). Some folks argued that T-mo has lousy 3G, and I argued that T-mo would still be a great alternative, even without 3G.
Yes ptrowski, you have the fastest cellular internet in the country. You also pay too much to a lousy provider for it. And that's not just my opinion, that's what the wireless bills and millions of customers say.
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beaups
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Hilliard, OH | reply to PolarBear03
I am still not understanding your point. Are you telling me your tmobile phone works EVERYwhERE in the US? It doesn't. I believe AT&T's GSM network is also bigger than Tmobile's. I will dig for some coverage maps but from personal experience I can tell you TMO's coverage in rural ohio is awful. |
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beaups
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Hilliard, OH | reply to PolarBear03
yep here is your super tmobile coverage map that works EVERYWHERE...
»www.gsmworld.com/cgi-bin/ni_map.···s&net=we |
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Actually the thread is about you trying to downplay your lack of 3G availability. For me customer service is second to the actual service. If your service stinks, you deal with customer service more. I guess I am spoiled not having to call into them. So I guess I am spoiled with fast speeds and good service. |
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beaups
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Hilliard, OH | reply to beaups
corrected link
»www.gsmworld.com/cgi-bin/ni_map.···s&net=we |
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PolarBear03The bear formerly known as aaron8301Premium
join:2005-01-03 | reply to beaups
said by beaups:I am still not understanding your point. The point of the article is that the iPhone has been unlocked, and can now be used on T-mo (at least in the US).
Some said that T-mo has worse 3G coverage that AT&T, and that the iPhone 3G won't work on T-mo 3G at all, because they use different frequencies.
And MY point is (that I thoroughly explained HERE) that even with no 3G, T-mo would be a better option.
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beaups
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Hilliard, OH | reply to beaups
and here is ATT
»www.gsmworld.com/cgi-bin/ni_map.···s&net=b3 |
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