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Jim Shaffer

join:2004-08-06
Montgomery, PA

which of these modems is the newest?

I get tired of using the command-line interface on the Cisco 678, and the web interface on it is about useless, so when I found someone selling a lot of three Speedstream 4200s for dirt cheap I jumped on it. I haven't plugged any of them into the phone line yet, I wanted to connect them straight to a computer to see what firmware they had on them first. I used the reset buttons to clear out any old information on them. (These have all been activated previously on Windstream, by the way.)

Two of them act the same, they bring up a dialog box in my browser for the username and password (admin/admin)and then go to the PPP username and password entry screen. One of them is part number 060-D242-A25 and has firmware version 004-D240-A30. The other is part number 060R-D246-A24 and has firmware version 004-D241-A4Q.

The third one acts differently. It doesn't bring up a dialog box in my browser, it puts the admin login right on the root web page, and after the login is successful it doesn't automatically go to the PPP setup page. It has part number 060R-D246-A25 and firmware version 004-D241-A83.

Is this last one the newest one? If so, is it the most desirable to use? For what it's worth, none of them have a firmware upgrade option on the menu. On the other hand, it doesn't appear to have the "walled garden" firmware, which may be a good thing.


Piggie
I Actually use Windstream
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join:2005-11-23
Orange Springs, FL

Jim, if you are using a router to do your PPPoE, I would just put any of them in Bridge/Router or Bridge mode and use them.

As far as we know most if not all the changes between versions are in the PPPoE log in (Wallet Garden), or in their router functions.

Hence if your router does the login, it doesn't matter which one you use.

I have 2 spares myself. I would have to dig out of my storage to get numbers, but before I put them away, I ran each for day or so in bridge/router mode, and all performed exactly the same, with exactly the same stats.

So I just put the oldest one back in service and put the spares on the shelf.

BTW, spares come in really handy when on the phone and they tell you it's your modem. You can switch modems and say no, unless it's all three of my modems.
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crooked

join:2000-07-29
Jamestown, NY

reply to Jim Shaffer
Oh c'mon -- command mode on those Cisco 67x series modems is great. You might just go to Windstream and switch out your 678 for a new 4200. They did it for free with my mothers 677 when she upgraded from 1.5mbit to 3mbit a few weeks ago.



Doctor Olds
I Need A Remedy For What's Ailing Me.
Premium,VIP
join:2001-04-19
1970 442 W30
kudos:18

reply to Jim Shaffer

said by Jim Shaffer:

060-D242-A25 and has firmware version 004-D240-A30.
060R-D246-A24 and has firmware version 004-D241-A4Q.
060R-D246-A25 and firmware version 004-D241-A83.
By the order above they play out in this order.

Old
Medium
New, Might be Walled Garden design.

Are you sure one of those is not a 4100 that does not have the USB Port?

My 4200 is a Part Number 060R-D246-A12 with Firmware Part Number 004-D241-A0U.
said by Jim Shaffer:

For what it's worth, none of them have a firmware upgrade option on the menu.
They are not supposed to have that entry on the Menu so it is 100% Normal for the Windstream 4200 Modems.
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Jim Shaffer

join:2004-08-06
Montgomery, PA

I don't have them handy right now, but I'm pretty sure they all have USB ports.

About the newest one possibly being Walled Garden -- it didn't seem to make my browser load any scripts or anything, but it wasn't plugged into a phone line. It did bring up a UPnP icon in the Network Connections section of my Windows control panel, if that indicates anything.

As for why I bought them -- Three modems and two power supplies for $5 plus shipping? Why not? If one ever gets zapped, I'll have spares.



Doctor Olds
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They all have or should have UPnP Enabled by Default. Now as to UPnP actually being fully functional on all versions of the Firmware that is not known. I think it was flaky on some versions.

I don't see where anyone questioned why you bought them, I have a lot of Speedstream Routers (and few more out on loan) and it is very good to have back up units, plus I used to beta test Firmware on the old 5660s units way before Efficient was bought by Siemens. You got a very good bargain. Enjoy!

I do have a favor to ask. Would you mind adding the Config Part #: from each of them to the other info you posted? I'm trying to keep track of revisions.

Modem Part #: 060-D242-A25
Firmware Part #: 004-D240-A30
Config Part #:

Modem Part #: 060R-D246-A24
Firmware Part #: 004-D241-A4Q
Config Part #:

Modem Part #: 060R-D246-A25
Firmware Part #: 004-D241-A83
Config Part #:

Regards,

Doctor Olds
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Allteltec

@windstream.net

reply to Jim Shaffer
Jim I think you are PPPoA the new 4200's are PPPoE so if the new 4200's don't work you will have to call the help desk and have then change you to PPPoE it's just a program change. I could check it for you but lost your phone # if you need me to check Email me if you still have my Email addr. On Vac. this week, good think with the snow the sidewalks at you Co. is a lot of work.



Doctor Olds
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said by Allteltec :

Jim I think you are PPPoA the new 4200's are PPPoE so if the new 4200's don't work you will have to call the help desk and have then change you to PPPoE it's just a program change.
All Windstream 5200 and 4200 Routers support both PPPoE and PPPoA in the Firmware.




If the OP is unable to connect using the default PPPoE WAN connection, they can uncheck it as the default WAN Interface and create a new PPPoA WAN connection using LLC and UBR then checkmarking that new connection as the new default WAN Interface connection. After adding their Username and Password they will be online in a few moments. They do not need another 4200 or any settings on the far end changed.

Regards,

Doctor Olds
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Allteltec

@windstream.net

reply to Jim Shaffer
It's been a couple years sense I tried to program a older speedstream to sub for a Cisco 678 but the older speed stream could not do the 0/1 VC that the Cisco PPPoA used. I have never tried to reprogram the 4200.



Doctor Olds
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said by Allteltec :

It's been a couple years sense I tried to program a older speedstream to sub for a Cisco 678 but the older speed stream could not do the 0/1 VC that the Cisco PPPoA used. I have never tried to reprogram the 4200.
All PPPoA setups I've seen use the same VPI/VCI as the PPPoE setups - in other words if 0/35 works for PPPoE it works for PPPoA. I've not setup a Cisco and could not speak about on its abilities or settings. If what you post is accurate, it may require a call to have their pin moved to a newer PPPoA/PPPoE card.
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Allteltec

@windstream.net

reply to Jim Shaffer
The Co. Jim works out of is one 2 Co. That I maintain, It has one Cisco and 2 Adtran DSLAM's the last time I checked Jim's line he was working out of the Cisco. The pins are all the same it's all in the programing at the DSLAM. And yes the old Cisco's are a real pains to setup port forwarding or static ip, I use to use a Procom Plus Script to program for static ip.


Jim Shaffer

join:2004-08-06
Montgomery, PA

reply to Jim Shaffer
I got it set up under PPPoA and it's running fine. It took me a couple of tries though. First I set it to 0/1 and it didn't work, then I looked at my Cisco and I saw that it actually should have been 1/1.

Doctor Olds, the part numbers are as follows:

Modem: 060-D242-A25
Firmware: 004-D240-A3P (I had mis-typed this as A30 earlier)
Config: 003-6100-G09

Modem: 060R-D246-A24
Firmware: 004-D241-A4Q
Config: 003-6100-G0a (yes, lower-case)

Modem: 060R-D246-A25
Firmware: 004-D241-A83
Config: 003-6100-G0C



Doctor Olds
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said by Jim Shaffer:

I got it set up under PPPoA and it's running fine. It took me a couple of tries though. First I set it to 0/1 and it didn't work, then I looked at my Cisco and I saw that it actually should have been 1/1.
Excellent news! Congratulations on getting it setup and working with the Speedstream 4200. Does it seem stable and look to have good Margins (SNR and Attenuation)? What are your impressions so far?

said by Jim Shaffer:

Doctor Olds, the part numbers are as follows:
Thanks you very much for posting those details. It is greatly appreciated.

If you would like to see the User Guide for the 4200 it is available here:

»Windstream DSL FAQ »Where can I get the User Guide or Quick Start Guide for the 4100/4200 Router?

Regards,

Doctor Olds
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Jim Shaffer

join:2004-08-06
Montgomery, PA

When I set it up yesterday, the margins were about the same as on my Cisco. About 7:00 this morning, the SNR dropped about 10 points for some reason. It may be weather related. But the speed is still good, and it's only logged a total of 1 error. For some reason, my Cisco always had high error counts even during times when I didn't notice any major instability in my connection. It'll be interesting to see how things evolve since the Speedstream provides a breakdown of errors by time period.



Doctor Olds
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Please update us as you gather data on the stability.

In fact, you might want to try all three of them, a week at a time and see which one (if any) appears to be the best out of the three.

If you have any setup or configuration questions, just ask.

Also change the Password on the 4200 Modem and the Access Level as seen here:

»Windstream DSL FAQ »How to secure your 4200 or 5200 from the Risk Of CSRF Attacks

Regards,

Doctor Olds
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