Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! in Wave Broadband http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r21605328 en Tue, 01 Dec 2009 01:33:28 EDT Tue, 01 Dec 2009 01:33:28 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22574182 anon : Well I am lucky now. Dropped my dish network, and my wave broadband and now using Surewest Fiber IPTV and broadband. Get more channels and consistant 18 meg down and 16-18 meg up, its night and day. Stupid thing is, wave called me the day before I was having fiber installed to let me know they had "fixed" my upload speed, seems there was a configuration issue on the blade server. I asked how long it had been an issue as I had speed problems for a year, they said its fixed now!! Was pretty disappointed but hey that was final nail for me. Seriously I have a CM100 cable modem for sale if anyone wants to make me an offer!!!
mail to reddwarfusa @ hotmail . com]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22574182 Thu, 18 Jun 2009 18:12:44 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22514718 Brazbit :
said by reddwarfusa See Profile :

Is anyone having speed issues with downloads etc, such as torrents or newsgroups. I have 18/2 and only get 5meg on news groups and around 2meg on torrents. I have run speed checks on local server and speedtest and getting good downloads (upto 19meg) and 1.2 down (i have issues with down speed but thats not the question).

Let me know your thoughts!!!!
We are on an old 6Mb tier and last night we were getting a whopping 128Kb down 1Mb up. Back "up" to 3Mb down 1Mb up this morning. Not running torrents. Did watch a single movie on Netflix Online yesterday morning before everything went to heck.
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And so it goes in life.... one minute everything is coming up roses the next you are being torn apart amongst the thorns.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22514718 Mon, 08 Jun 2009 10:15:51 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22509116 anon :
said by wave sucks :

so has anyone gotten any kind of overage charge for using lots of bandwidth? Or any news/updates on this at all?
I believe only the 18/2 service has monthly cap. As far as I can tell the 10/1 service is unlimited, at least for now.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22509116 Sat, 06 Jun 2009 22:57:46 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22496931 reddwarfusa : Well looks like it was my cable modem. I have had 4 modems in the last 5 days all doing the same. But as someone pointed out earlier I purchased a CM100 linksys and my speeds are MUCH better. Just now however fiber is available. 20 down and 20 up, time i switch. Anyone want to buy a partially used Linksys CM100??? ;-))]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22496931 Thu, 04 Jun 2009 16:26:25 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22486526 reddwarfusa : Is anyone having speed issues with downloads etc, such as torrents or newsgroups. I have 18/2 and only get 5meg on news groups and around 2meg on torrents. I have run speed checks on local server and speedtest and getting good downloads (upto 19meg) and 1.2 down (i have issues with down speed but thats not the question).

Let me know your thoughts!!!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22486526 Tue, 02 Jun 2009 22:59:43 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22485467 anon : so has anyone gotten any kind of overage charge for using lots of bandwidth? Or any news/updates on this at all?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22485467 Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:36:45 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22460587 anon : All of the people I've talked to at tech support are great and don't give me any grief about having a bunch of computers behind a router or make me boot into safe mode for problems or any of the stupid Microsoft troubleshooting procedures (reboot, reinstall, etc.)

When first installed I went with the rented surfboard modem and was getting very slow upload speeds (~100-200kbps) on a 18/2 plan. Download speeds where always around 14-17mbps which I think is reasonable for that plan and being a shared service. They quickly scheduled a truck to come check out the "noisy line" that they could see from looking at the modem from tech support. I put my Linksys cm100 on-line and BAM!, I'm running at 17/2.25 fairly consistently (download always fluctuates a lot, but upload is consistent).

I'm happy, and will be even happier when they come fix the noise cable coming to the house so my TV looks better. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22460587 Thu, 28 May 2009 20:19:38 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22397477 anon : Hi lots of problems are from the main office. i to have the same problem and i have business account. wave dont care if thay did thay would fixit. lots of my friends have comcast and thay love them. 50x10!! im jealous. comcast speeds even on peak time his speeds are 47 x 9.0 wow! i give up on wave i get what i get. when qwest gos up on speed ill change. qwest were i live only have 1.5 good luck all. you are in the wave broadband zone! ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22397477 Sat, 16 May 2009 05:20:57 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22333560 chpalmer :
Have they scheduled a truck roll for you?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22333560 Sun, 03 May 2009 16:25:34 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22331344 fuzzdawg7 : I've been having horrible problems too. Slow during peak hours and bad signals.

I have another post about attempting to install a new modem with no luck from Wave and tonight, just like every night anymore, download speeds down to 1/6th of what they should be. We're seriously considering Qwest DSL, though I really don't want to.

»Upgrade SB5120 to SB5101 Problems
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22331344 Sat, 02 May 2009 23:24:39 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22209323 anon :
said by hi2 :

has anyone else been having there internet cutting off and on lately. i called and talked with teck and this is the answer i get well looks like you are the only one having the problem. i said you sure! for 2 days now internet has been cutting on and off!have teck coming out to the house to see whats up. well looks like it won't get fixed now lol.
I've had same problem over last 4-6 weeks in Sacramento area. Their tech support people are either idiots or don't want to tell us the truth. All they do is deny there is a problem and give you a new modem. Even stranger because when I would have this problem, I would call tech support and they would ask me to wait while they did "something" on their end, and then it would magically work again for a few days. Then I would call back, they would do something, and it would work again for a few days, all the while they would deny it's problem on their end.

Luckily it seems to be working fine for the last couple weeks, so I guess I'll just hold my breath and hope that it keeps working.

Matt]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22209323 Thu, 09 Apr 2009 10:45:56 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22202981 anon : Taking a pole on how many people are Happy with wave broad band and there service. and speed package. and the over all performance of there speeds. and is your speeds up to par? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22202981 Wed, 08 Apr 2009 08:05:16 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22200383 anon :
said by hi2 :

has anyone else been having there internet cutting off and on lately. i called and talked with teck and this is the answer i get well looks like you are the only one having the problem. i said you sure! for 2 days now internet has been cutting on and off!have teck coming out to the house to see whats up. well looks like it won't get fixed now lol.
I have the same problem. It happens very often during the day and I have to unplug my modem and plug it back in. I have had someone come out to the house to check on this and they gave me a newer modem and told me that the problem will be fixed now. It still happens =/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22200383 Tue, 07 Apr 2009 18:31:01 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22185695 anon : has anyone else been having there internet cutting off and on lately. i called and talked with teck and this is the answer i get well looks like you are the only one having the problem. i said you sure! for 2 days now internet has been cutting on and off!have teck coming out to the house to see whats up. well looks like it won't get fixed now lol. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22185695 Sun, 05 Apr 2009 00:40:02 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22154498 anon :
said by Daniel_98362 :

I have been told no caps/throttling is in place in WA. Yet, here in Port Angeles (10/1.5 plan) I noticed my torrent speeds maxing at approx. 60/K down and 20/K up starting mid-March until I set my client to only accept encrypted transfers then it jumped right up to max upstream. Just sayn'.
Their CS and Tech Support people have no clue what's going on. At least they didn't when they rolled out the caps (aka "New Plans") in Sacramento area. Took them about 2-3 weeks to figure what was going on. So sounds like you're next. Although, sounds like they may only be going after Torrent users in your area. They went after everyone down here.

However, as far as I can tell, the caps only apply to the 18/2 300 Gigabyte plan in Sacramento area. I'm not on that plan and there is still no way for me to check my transfer quotas. Going to be pissed if they try to bill be for going over quota if there is no way for me to check my quota.

Matt]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22154498 Mon, 30 Mar 2009 18:56:55 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22153475 anon : I have been told no caps/throttling is in place in WA. Yet, here in Port Angeles (10/1.5 plan) I noticed my torrent speeds maxing at approx. 60/K down and 20/K up starting mid-March until I set my client to only accept encrypted transfers then it jumped right up to max upstream. Just sayn'.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22153475 Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:55:19 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22121451 anon : hi all i feel you if i had a quarter for all the times i had to call wave i could retire hehehe . i have nothing but speed problems with my clients and ever since i made my speed change to the new speed. this is going to be my "LAST" month with wave i have an online company that gives me the power i need and a monthly charge of the same as wave if i go over my data transfer of 300 a month.well looks like one more person that wouldn't be on there pay roll. what i dont get is how can thay not have anuff power for each node? unless you equipment is not set right or can't handle the strain it gets when everyone is connected? i can see 10/20/30/% loss for some just depends on how far you are from the office but for me i live 1 1/2 blocks from main office for goodness sakes! still no answer from wave. i would stay if thay would tell the truth about what is going on but for other with 18m x 2m good luck save your money and get less speed. or get comcast. or what ever just my 2 cents!!!! ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22121451 Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:16:25 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22099619 anon : Again with this garbage. They came out other day and messed with shit in front of house. Now I'm getting frequent disconnections and horrible speed.

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22099619 Fri, 20 Mar 2009 03:50:09 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22032913 anon : howdy! right now wave is trying to upgrade there equipment to handle there upgrade to 18m x2m ! which means that everyone isn't getting enuff down or upload because of the upgrade to 18m x2m. i feel you because i have a friend that works there in the office for business accounts and that he say that thay are working on it to resolve the issue. it sucks because i have 18m x 2m and it sucks! i pay up the ass for this connection and it sucks! i get a load on it from people that buy from me and it crash i have my server cut down to 25 connections to my server. lots of people saying connection slowwwww.had to change how much bandwidth is to be used on my server for each connection. till this is resolved. love to have comcast. wow have you seen how much bandwidth shay offer for half of what i pay. 20mx20m dam.wow. were i live wave is all i can get or q west 1.5m x 768. run a small online business from home for extra money. so far its been not bad. use to host online websites no money in thay any more lol. shit its all "FREE" now! well hope this works if you can get a better service do later ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22032913 Sat, 07 Mar 2009 21:05:02 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22023686 nickup : My speeds have dropped to a crawl, paying for the 10/1.5 pkg for over a year now..current speeds ar at 15-1800kb down/ and usual 1200 up..pathetic..sending serviceman out next week.Im sure I'll get the same song n dance as the rest of you gents...

Personally I think "wave" would prefer heavy users like me to go over to ATT's fiber,, but I guess thats just business, they probably would prefer customers that are buying the whole TV,internet,phone package deal versus someone who is only buying highspeed from em.

I would think in this very shakey economy,
Wave might want to think carefully about the chances of alienating loyal long time customers, nowadays people might move on to a competitor just to save a buck or 2 a month....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22023686 Fri, 06 Mar 2009 00:57:51 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21978645 anon : I got the 18/2 service as soon as it was offered, but switched to 10/1 since would never get more than 1 up and rarely got more than 12-15 down. I think for 18/2 you are really paying for the higher bandwidth cap more than the speed, so not worth the extra $$ for me.

Matt]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21978645 Thu, 26 Feb 2009 00:40:58 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21976200 anon : right now i have qwest 1.5 x 769 and it works ok for surfing the internet. my friend just got com cast new fiber line in his are and now gets 20 x 20 wow! for the same price of waves 18m x 2m ! crap and he runs a lot of stuff with it to.still have wave 18m x 2m business account thay pro rate it till thay get the new speeds fix or thay are just going to take it off till thay can afford it. that's from in side of wave. it's going to cost them to much money to upgrade that thay don't have. and the way everyone is dropping there service with wave good luck on getting the money to upgrade. just my 2 cents]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21976200 Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:30:10 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21975222 madcowusa : I'm still waiting for a letter describing the 'benefits' of a crippling 100GB cap on the 10/1 service and which date it begins. Already contacted Qwest and inquired about DSL. It's going to suck, but I need a predictable monthly bill and have zero interest in having to worry about overages and constantly checking their silly meter. The Wave Broadband internet experience is going backwards with these caps and I will be voting with my wallet. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21975222 Wed, 25 Feb 2009 13:45:46 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21972699 anon : come to find out that wave can't keep up with the 'NEW" 18m x 2m! so i quest that everyone is right!if thay can't fix the problem- which is new upgrade equipment then thay will have to remove 18m x 2m till thay can. didn't surprise me at all! can't push anuff bandwidth to costumers that have the "NEW" 18m x 2m.so better off to stay at 8m x1.5 at leased i be getting what i pay for? no i'm good the hell with wave. just my 2 cents ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21972699 Wed, 25 Feb 2009 01:22:47 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21970674 anon : hi all me again just update about wave. now wave call me every 2 days and are saying thay there is a problem on a larger scale and that thay are looking into it. "BUT" everything here in port orchard is fine? you know what i say about that shit? and that thay will adjust my billing till this problem is resolved? thay are just like "AOL"? dont want to lose good customers.i have a friend that works there and he said that there equipment can't handle the newer speeds! i told them that thay can close my account and take the adjustment and us it to get the shit fixed for everyone else and hangup. just my 2 cents. :D ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21970674 Tue, 24 Feb 2009 19:04:42 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21963918 anon : ^^ Who is putting in fiber? My guess is surewest. Hope they upgrade the granite bay area soon.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21963918 Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:55:16 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21961809 reddwarfusa : WOnderful news, time to jump ship from wave soon. Went outside last week as there was a lot of noise, and found out they were putting in fiber. Should be available in the next few weeks. For around the same price as wave I can get 20/20 speeds with no limit, can't wait.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21961809 Mon, 23 Feb 2009 10:57:41 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21955029 anon : well going to close my account with wave and had moved my online business to online company and using there servers and bandwidth for a lot less then paying for internet from wave. i think the change i made and the problems wave has with there speed problems thay can just keep them. i gone from wave.good luck all happy surfing? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21955029 Sat, 21 Feb 2009 20:28:40 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21928660 anon : ya he just blows me off . y i don't know why.say's business and non business all the same speeds and when i have a problem with there box out side it took 1 1/2 weeks to get out to my home!i should have just stayed with my other package i had.mmmm hope things change soon.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21928660 Tue, 17 Feb 2009 02:36:27 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21928597 anon :
One thought... satellite is one step above dialup... You would not be happy!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21928597 Tue, 17 Feb 2009 01:59:47 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21928505 drew : Are you sure you have the local rep's contact info? I've heard they're generally really good with business clients.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21928505 Tue, 17 Feb 2009 01:22:59 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21928470 anon : :p howdy all have a business account from my home from wave had 8m x 1.5 and never had a problem till i switch to 18m x2m and man does the speeds suck ass. i run a small business from my home and my upload is well used! i pay a lot for this business speed but my upload has not changed since i upgraded to 18m x2m. the rep for port orchard business really sucks too and does nothing to help.i am stuck with wave because were i live. the fastest speed i can get from qwest is 1.5 x879? would like to get a T1 but can't. i am ass out. wood like to expanded but can't get the speeds i need too. i'm thinking satellite? any thoughts? :huh: ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21928470 Tue, 17 Feb 2009 01:11:20 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21859089 gtojim : Want to trade? Tonights speed test
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21859089 Wed, 04 Feb 2009 01:26:53 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21852980 Endorphine :

Done tonight around 7:16pm.... things actually got better here. Go figure!?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21852980 Tue, 03 Feb 2009 02:27:42 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21852907 gtojim : I've been getting crappy speeds in the evenings for years, ever since Wave took over Astound Broadband. Speed test done tonight.
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21852907 Tue, 03 Feb 2009 01:44:44 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21851556 anon : Well when did all this happen...It all started for me about a week ago. Where I used to get 1.2MB/sec (10 Mbps downstream)I started getting about half that. I have called tech support about 6 times but because the speed tests work out they say it is not their problem. I think I am being capped somewhere. I connect to servers to upload and download my 3d animations (a hobby of mine) and for the last 6 months I have had perfect speeds (1.2MB/sec) and now I get 150k/sec if I am lucky. Not sure what to do, but I think it has to do with some of these changes. I have contacted the admin of the server who is a good friend of mine and he ran some tests and says that I am the only one who has experienced a slowdown in throughput. Even the movie trailers from apple are impacted (500k/sec now compared with 1.2MB/sec) What do you all think....coincidence?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21851556 Mon, 02 Feb 2009 20:12:40 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21849688 ssctv : The bandwidth upgrade has been completed for the Sacramento region. For up to date pricing information you can visit »www.wavebroadband.com]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21849688 Mon, 02 Feb 2009 15:05:26 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21849549 luluddd : Attn Rocklin Users....are you still being limited....this weekend I have received full bandwidth without slowdown....have you had the same experience ? Also do you know if that new rate card has surfaced on our starstream.net site ?

thanks for the input]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21849549 Mon, 02 Feb 2009 14:40:47 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21838071 Endorphine : They actually already have the new rate card listed up on the site. At least for my area: »www.wavebroadband.com/articles/S···Card.pdf

Also got a letter in the mail saying they were raising rates on cable overall, but you could lock in without getting the increase if you go with one of the new bundles.

Sounds like this was all planned awhile ago... ugh.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21838071 Sat, 31 Jan 2009 01:00:05 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21837405 anon : This is Wave's response to my question:

Information on the new internet options should be posted tomorrow on our website or possibly late this evening. The 300 GB package will be linked to a download speed of 18 Mbps. Initially, High Speed 18 will be the only internet tier with a data transfer quota. Later this spring, quotas will be in place for other speeds. Quotas will be posted on our website as well, along with fees for additional data used over the limits. Thank you.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21837405 Fri, 30 Jan 2009 22:05:38 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21823952 anon : Getting FTTH within weeks. 50/50 is going to be nice :P]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21823952 Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:55:57 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21820344 anon : Looks like Wave may have also made some network upgrades in Sacramento area. Getting 18 Mbps consistently this morning. Even getting 18 Mbps from NewsDemon.

But I think they are still throttling upload speeds at 1 Mbps. Anyone seeing better upload speeds.

Matt]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21820344 Wed, 28 Jan 2009 11:09:05 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21811085 anon : this has gotten ridiculous...i used to get 10mbit on speakeasy.net, now it's 1.7mbit.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21811085 Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:52:01 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21809639 anon : So Astound I could get a 300GB Plan with speed and no throttling? in Concord, Ca 94520??

So DSL Extreme would give me Unlimited Usage and Astound would give me Speed but have a cap?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21809639 Mon, 26 Jan 2009 15:49:35 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21809376 reddwarfusa : Well looks like the 3gb daily limit has been lifted. No have any speed issues today and no throttling, true to their word they have removed them... happy for now.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21809376 Mon, 26 Jan 2009 15:06:28 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21809328 anon : Reporting that daily caps were not in place for the duration of this weekend. Speeds were fluctuating between 4-6mbps and would reach the plan cap of 10 in the evenings. Seems Astound has rescinded the caps for the time being. Perhaps the roll out of the monthly usage caps is in place or Drew's story and customer complaints hit a nerve.

Now to hope that they have not put the monthly caps in place yet or have not altered existing plans.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21809328 Mon, 26 Jan 2009 14:58:12 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21798095 anon : I think DHCP would work for me so your saying I should go with DSL Extreme for the my new place?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21798095 Sat, 24 Jan 2009 02:14:17 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21797815 anon :
said by kamidake :

Also, there are going to be some angry customers next month when they find out that with their 6.0 connection they went over and incurred heavy overage charges. They really need to disclose this stuff and be CLEAR. Wave is clearly incompetent. Choose your model, stick with it and make it CLEAR
They will almost certainly let existing users keep their exiting unlimited plans for as long as they want. Why do you think they started the 3GB/day cap on downloads??? It had nothing to do with network issues. It was simply to force high volume users to call in and switch to one of the new metered plans. 95% of users won't even notice the 3GB cap and therefore won't have any reason to change. Wave could care less if these users are on the new metered plans.

The new plans are intended for new customers and the small percentage of high volume customers that can't survive with 3 GB/day limit.

Matt]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21797815 Sat, 24 Jan 2009 00:48:22 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21796261 anon :
said by Sandman423 :

I did some research, but I don't have a LAN line for the house so this is what I got when I checked my Address and I used my Ex Girlfriends Phone # because she lives around the corner...

The Plans I have available for Aircloud and DSL Extreme are these...

AirCloud:

Network #1
Speed Description Price
384-768/128-384Kbps Basic Web User Starting At... $49.00
384-1500/128-384Kbps Basic Web User Starting At... $59.00

(Kind of Crappy Speeds)

DSL Extreme I added a picture. I am leaning towards the Express DSL with 1.5 MB/ps which sucks for speed but it beats Air Clouds slow speed. DSL Extreme is 2 Bars for Signal on Express So I am not sure how good that is. I am near the Astound/SBC/and Comcast Main Offices which is where the speed would be great but I can't have caps due to me working out of home with School and Work.

I would like to get about 3mb-6mbs at the least with unlimited to try to make it easier to get more work done.

The address I have been using to find these things out is 35 Adobe Dr, Concord, Ca 94520

since its nearby.
The speed packages are exactly the same. Aircloud's 384-1.5 is the same as DSL Extreme's 1.5. they include the range of speeds because DSL is not guaranteed and you can get "up to" depending on distance from CO and line conditions. the price difference is huge because you're going with dhcp where Aircloud is business class and gives static IP. Try the same package for DSL Extreme under those conditions and it'll be more. If you don't need static then DHCP is way to go.

Once you get DSL they can see if they can get a good signal and can most likely bump up your speed. Those pre qualifier databases are bunk. Jerry Richardson from Aircloud uses his own DSL and lives farther away from the CO than I do and gets 3.0-6.0 but when i prequalify it only lists 1.5-3.0. He has assured me that I can get 3-6. The 3-6 business account is around 90 bucks. pricey but it's business class with local support from a Concord based small company. I think they get their backhaul from covad or even dsl extreme LOL. You can't go wrong either way.

Good luck]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21796261 Fri, 23 Jan 2009 19:40:44 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21795568 anon : I did some research, but I don't have a LAN line for the house so this is what I got when I checked my Address and I used my Ex Girlfriends Phone # because she lives around the corner...

The Plans I have available for Aircloud and DSL Extreme are these...

AirCloud:

Network #1
Speed Description Price
384-768/128-384Kbps Basic Web User Starting At... $49.00
384-1500/128-384Kbps Basic Web User Starting At... $59.00

(Kind of Crappy Speeds)

DSL Extreme I added a picture. I am leaning towards the Express DSL with 1.5 MB/ps which sucks for speed but it beats Air Clouds slow speed. DSL Extreme is 2 Bars for Signal on Express So I am not sure how good that is. I am near the Astound/SBC/and Comcast Main Offices which is where the speed would be great but I can't have caps due to me working out of home with School and Work.

I would like to get about 3mb-6mbs at the least with unlimited to try to make it easier to get more work done.

The address I have been using to find these things out is 35 Adobe Dr, Concord, Ca 94520

since its nearby.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21795568 Fri, 23 Jan 2009 17:31:11 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21795424 anon : Maybe they should just throw away the speed tiers and just offer 18/2.

My first employer back in 1995 was an ISP and he offered full speed to businesses so they had available bandwidth (back then a Full T1 instead of a partial), but just paid for their usage.

If Wave is going to go to a usage only model, speed tiers make no sense. Instead make it all 18/2 but have packages like 10GB, 50GB, 100GB, 300GB, 500GB etc, and if you go over you pay 50 cents a GB or whatever.

If it was like Comcast with 250GB across the board, speed tiers would make sense.

Also, there are going to be some angry customers next month when they find out that with their 6.0 connection they went over and incurred heavy overage charges. They really need to disclose this stuff and be CLEAR. Wave is clearly incompetent. Choose your model, stick with it and make it CLEAR]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21795424 Fri, 23 Jan 2009 17:05:42 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21795213 drew : I hear you on the smaller caps. 50GB is pretty puny.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21795213 Fri, 23 Jan 2009 16:25:45 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21795194 anon : Thanks Drew.

Best we can hope for is better disclosure of the policy or maybe affecting some minor changes to the caps for lower tier plans. I'm good with 300 on the 18/2 but they really need to reconsider the caps on 6/1 and 10/1. Even Comcast is 250 across the board and the day I that praised something Comcast did I figured would never come. LOL.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21795194 Fri, 23 Jan 2009 16:23:06 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21795096 drew : »Wave Broadband Sloppily Employing Caps

I wrote some stuff up for Karl to make mention of it on the front page. People at these ISPs actually pay attention to the site... maybe we'll get some followup.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21795096 Fri, 23 Jan 2009 16:07:41 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21794639 drew : That's not how my PUD works. The sewer bill is flat rate while your water is based on usage. This was one of the many conversations I had with one of the assistant commissioners that came into the WFB I worked at to make the daily deposit.

Trust me, I don't like bait and switch any more than you do, but this isn't really what it is. This is really just a "wrong place, wrong time" scenario unfortunately, and for that I'm sorry. My plan has a 50GB cap apparently. That sucks pretty bad, but who knows what's gonna happen.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21794639 Fri, 23 Jan 2009 14:46:22 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21794619 anon : I'm not saying heavy users pay more isn't reasonable but this approach and the reason we are in the predicament is. I've already determined that I will pay more but just not to Astound due to their lack of upfront detail about their plans and bait and switch mid month considering I'm a new customer. I'll be paying a local reseller almost a hundred dollars a month for business class 3-6 DRY LOOP DSL.

Also I'm not sure about you, but my water bill does go up the more water I use. So more flushes does equate to a higher bill. Same goes for gas, electricity, and garbage. Water/Sewer is combined and includes sewage processing fee and additional sewage fees based on the amount of water used. You pay for the water in and the water out.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21794619 Fri, 23 Jan 2009 14:43:37 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21794304 drew : I never once claimed that this was good for consumers. It's terrible. Why would a cable company be in the business of making it easy for you to drop their much more expensive service in favor of their cheaper service and using it significantly more? That is a terrible business model.

As for the FTTH vs FTTN, it was a typo on my part, my apologies. The keys are pretty close together. When looking at services like FIOS, that's when you start getting to a point where streaming tons of HD content is a reasonable request. The way a cable ISP works, your neighbor hates you for being a bandwidth hog.

Any TOS in the industry is going to do something to your speed or usage when you're impacting the service of other clients.

I've got a 360 with Netflix streaming. I download TV shows. Expecting to be able to do that essentially 24/7 is an unreasonable request.

When we're talking about finite (in the sense that they don't just flick a switch to get more) resources, how does a pay-per-byte system NOT make sense? Why should you not pay 3x more than I do when you use it 3x more than I do? I have the same bitch about my sewer bill. Why does the McMansion down the road with 2 parents and 5 kids pay the exact same for sewer service? I'm sure there's a lot more flushing and showering going on over there than in my house.

What it seriously comes down to is people are expecting a business to bend over and take it when your usage is up dramatically and that usage means you're canceling their other services. Not a reasonable request.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21794304 Fri, 23 Jan 2009 14:00:52 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21794208 anon :
said by drew See Profile :

Those services aren't geared towards those on last-gen technology. They're for people on FTTH and DOCSIS.
Considering that only VERY VERY select people even have FFTH your claim that those services are not mean for FTTN is suspect. Netflix services are for broadband users. Just because the cablecos changed the rules midgame doesn't mean they didn't enter with an intent to service cable and DSL users. They offer UNLIMITED plans. You can watch however many movies you want whenever you want and with multiple plans you can watch on multiple computers.

said by drew See Profile :

People are expecting to pay 1/2 their cable bill's price for their internet and to get all their cable content online for much cheaper. I don't think that's a reasonable request.
Now it's unreasonable to expect your service that you've been able to use for the last few years to up and get more expensive overnight? Why? Bandwidth is cheaper today not more expensive. You're saying it's unreasonable to utilize your connection you've been sold in a way you see fit?

said by drew See Profile :

No one has shown me any kind of real-usage that would equate to fully legal activities breaking a 300gb/mo cap. It just doesn't happen.
You're obviously partisan or delusional. You don't think that 1 person can use 150GB a month in data in a 2 person household when that includes upload and download BOTH. I don't know what else people can say since you already seem to have made up your mind despite real world examples of how we consumers use our internet. I've heard 2 responses from you parroted over and over here.

Get business class and no one can use that much in a month.

I've said before you're wrong. I've tried to show how lower tiers affect people and you ignore what's been presented and just focus on the magical 300GB cap on the most expensive plan. REAL PEOPLE won't be paying for that plan. REAL PEOPLE are going to get hammered faster and harder because they don't know better. REAL PEOPLE have kids who are net savvy. REAL PEOPLE live with roomates 2-3 to a house.

You fail to address the reasoning behind these plans and accept that it's good for consumers. HOW? How is limiting innovation through restriction of use a good thing? It's not our fault the cablecos oversold bandwidth and didn't foresee the need for more bandwidth in the future but now we are expected to pay the price for lack of corporate vision and greed.

Cable companies don't pay for content on cable. They pay for infrastructure. Cablecos are oversold and they know it. They sold people on VOIP, On Demand, and Internet on the same pipes, promised higher speeds, and now they can't deliver and are charging us more via hidden fees. It's BS and you know it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21794208 Fri, 23 Jan 2009 13:45:03 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21794077 madcowusa : Sarthax, the voice of reason. Well said - agree 100%. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21794077 Fri, 23 Jan 2009 13:24:05 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21794044 drew : Those services aren't geared towards those on last-gen technology. They're for people on FTTH and DOCSIS.

People are expecting to pay 1/2 their cable bill's price for their internet and to get all their cable content online for much cheaper. I don't think that's a reasonable request.

No one has shown me any kind of real-usage that would equate to fully legal activities breaking a 300gb/mo cap. It just doesn't happen.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21794044 Fri, 23 Jan 2009 13:19:41 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21793938 anon : Sandman, Try DSL Extreme or Aircloud(local reseller for business class with no BS). You should be able to get 3.0-6.0 easily since the AT&T building and CO is down near Toto Santos Plaza IIRC. That's about 2 miles away. If you really want high speed some might offer bonded DSL but it gets pricey. By that point you're better off with cable and paying the overages.

Drew, seriously enough with trying to shoot down legitimate users. Some people just use the net more than others. We're in a freaking digital age and some people actually use their net connections for things other than looking up cookie recipes and sending emails once a day. Hundreds of companies are now relying on heavy data transfer business models and will be affected greatly by this. Netflix, Apple TV, Online Backup services etc.

One thing no one is talking about is the lower tiers. I'll bet that some households that are not net savvy and know what their netflix bandwidth usage is or have kids are gonna get hammered by this big time. Especially ones on lower plans.

Kamidake posted earlier:
18/2 - As posted on their site it's 300GB/month + $$ overage
10/1 - 100GB/month + $$
6/1 - 50GB/month + $$

This whole thing reeks of a money grab. Force everyone to jump up to higher tier plans or pay crazy overage charges all while they sit back and collect. Most major Backhual providers are double billing for the same data transfer. Once on the senders end and again on the receivers end and maybe somewhere in between. That GB of data you sent is actually being double maybe triple paid for so the cost of transfer is cheaper than you think. 5/10 is a fair consumer price considering most data centers will charge 1/1GB and comcast is thinking about 15/10GB but it's still an artificially created supply/demand situation.

How's this for funny.
At the 18/2 plan you pay $75 for 300GB or $.25 per GB
At the 10/1 plan you pay $55 for 100GB or $.55 per GB
At the 6/1 plan you pay $45 for 50GB or $.90 per GB

Tack on those overages and anyone on a 6/1 plan is SCREWED. for an equivalent 100GB they pay $80 and for 300GB they pay $170. This isn't about the cost of bandwidth it's about money. Squeeze your customers with hidden charges just like cellphone providers have been doing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21793938 Fri, 23 Jan 2009 13:01:52 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21793746 anon : Hi all me again. for the gamers out there or for the web server hosts as far as what have been said that Washington so far does not have a cap on the internet as of now! if you are looking to host or run a small business out of your home and "NEED" LOt's OF BANDWIDTH then business is the way to go! i have had my 8mx1.5 for 4 years and only lost and had trouble with my service 5 times! i have a block of static ip and i use every bit of bandwidth with no problems. can't use home internet for running a game server which needs lots of bandwidth, download but mostly upload speed for the server to run smoothly. read the disclaimer."YOU HAVE TO PAY TO PLAY" i know thats not what everyone wants to hear sorry. happy surfing! ;) ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21793746 Fri, 23 Jan 2009 12:26:22 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21793138 drew : Yet another example of someone using the home connection for business. Get business class, for your, you know, business.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21793138 Fri, 23 Jan 2009 10:51:28 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21793136 drew : You're using it for business... should be business class connection.

5GB/day in .wmvs? A 22-something minute .AVI encoded using DIVX sitting on my comuter is....179,224KB. So 175.02MB. That's 29.25 "half hour" (on network tv) episodes. 643 minutes of TV or 10.72 hours. Uh huh... That's SD, but expecting to be able to watch that much HD content is kind of asinine at this point in the technology.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21793136 Fri, 23 Jan 2009 10:51:00 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21793104 anon : :p Hi all well looks like DSL is going to be the new and reliable internet connection for a lot of people! to me it looks like till things in this world gets better like jobs and so forth wave is going to cap everyone till things get better! hope that aint the case if wave is getting charge more for the internet then charge us and give us what we are paying for! i have business internet and i don't have cap on my ip. if i did thay would here from me. for what i am paying for. och. so if you need a lot of bandwidth then business internet is the way to go... remember you have a min to 15 to 30% loss to your line so if you have a 10mx1.5 15% loss would be 8.5x1.2 or 30% =7mx1.0 remember the line loss just my 2 cents happy surfing! ;) ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21793104 Fri, 23 Jan 2009 10:43:41 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21792063 anon : First and For most thank you kamidake and everyone for this post...

I know I have posted a couple posts before on what I should get. I am living in the Bay Area and I am about to move into my own place with 2 roomates. We are ALL HEAVY Internet users and I work out of home.

My Main business is Video Editing for a small company as well as for my college.

I use a TON of Bandwidth because of such HUGE Projects I work on because Videos tend to be very high, as we all know, in size going from 2-4GB's easy and transferring them via Torrents/Rapidshare/Megaupload/etc.

I just made a video at home that was 2gb's today while listening to Slacker Radio. I am currently at my moms using the SBC DSL, which doesn't seem to have caps. We are very far away from the main office.

We are on the 3MB Plan Download and not sure what upload is but If I ever download anything the max D/L I get is like 350KB/ps and not sure on upload.

Anyways to make a long story short. I am a multimedia major in college and I am on a computer for very long hours for school and work and I use a ton of Bandwidth.

So should I go with just DSL? Which DSL Should I go for? The location for my new place is in Concord, Ca 94520 on Olivera Road...I live in the Bay Area and I want to not be limited to these ridiculous caps.

What to do? My friend tells me Astound, but the 300GB Cap is horrible and if they only let you get up to 3GBs a Day before they basically stop you from doing anything for a whole day.

Please help me make a decision. I mostly watch ALL my TV via Internet because I work 3 Jobs and I am in College and I never have the time to watch TV Live.

Please help.
Check out my speed with my torrent program open..Pretty crappy 3MB if you ask me



Thanks everyone]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21792063 Fri, 23 Jan 2009 04:10:42 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21791975 anon : Actually drew, the 3GB/day cap was for the Sacramento area. And people in the bay area are having the same issues. Sure that's related?

Also I can also say that WITHOUT getting illegal binaries, it is EASILY possible to hit 10GB/day. For example, my wife subscribes to a Japanese TV site and downloads .wmv files (entire shows or movies) and watches them on her computer offline. Usage: 5GB/day.

I watch about 3hrs of HD video a day. Usage: 4GB/day

I work from home and download large files for engineering. Usage: 1.5GB day.

Also stream music and video as well as get linux distros, updates, etc etc. 0.5 GB/day

Other browsing 0.5GB/day

So my average total is... 11.5GB/day If I do anything abnormal, I will be over that. Sometimes I buy software online and download it instead of getting a DVD version. Those days I might be up to 20GB in a day. Basically yes I am a heavy user, (more than average) but I am still legal and all my uses are valid.

So I don't want to hear garbage like it's impossible to use more than 10GB per day. And in my case, it usually involves more than one person using the connection.

I'm just glad I'm on UNLIMITED DSL now. Life can't be better. You seem like a poor soul trying to justify paying high prices for such a limited connection]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21791975 Fri, 23 Jan 2009 03:07:43 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21789844 drew : In less developed areas (non FTTH), asking to be able to stream two HD content streams at the same time for a significant portion of time is far fetched.

The 3GB/day cap has already been determined to be a stop-gap until they get the equipment and pipe they need to get rid of it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21789844 Thu, 22 Jan 2009 18:55:24 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21789381 anon :
said by drew See Profile :

10GB/day is an incredibly large amount of data. Even the a top-bitrate encode of a netflix HD movie is ~2.5GB for a 90 minute movie. You'd have to watch 4 of those to hit that amount in a single day.. and do it every day.

SD is significantly less. Gaming is not very bandwidth intensive -- it's all about latency. IM is simply text. Photos? How many photos are you possibly uploading every day? Even the expansion for World of Warcraft that came out recently fit on a single DVD. Purchasing music from iTunes isn't a huge thing as the files aren't even lossless.

It would take quite a large amount of effort to hit that kind of cap by doing purely legitimate activities. And in fact, I have no problem with those who use more, pay more. Happens with your power bill, no?
Multiple person household.

Every assumption is based on 1 person. Add 1-2 additional people into the mix who are heavy users also and you're boned LOL. I've got a friend who does a lot of photo editing and deals with RAWs back and forth. I've got a stay at home GF who uses it net as much as I do. Shit adds up fast.

My single largest data usage is TV shows and movies. HD is 3.6MB per second. 1 hour is 1.3GB give or take. If I watch 3 hours of HD I'm already at 4GB just by myself not taking into account other users in the household.

For me this isn't about money. I am more than willing and capable of paying for more usage but it's kind of hard to do that with a 3GB cap now isn't it.

This kind of crap only affects people who solely reply on internet based entertainment and you'll notice the only companies putting caps on are AT&T, Comcast, and Wave. There's a common thread here. They all provide TV services. If you're getting your movies from netflix, TV from Apple store, or other means then it's lost revenue for them if you don't subscribe to TV service. I personally don't have cable. I don't need to pay for TV that I don't use. I don't want to pay 100 dollars for the privilege of getting 100 reality shows, 25 shopping channels, 25 sports channels, and the 5 channels I want to watch when I can get "On Demand" better from the internet rather than from a cable provider. Cable companies realize this and are implementing measures to curb HD usage and force people onto their cable packages for entertainment. There's a lot of stuff I watch that I can't get on normal TV or stuff that isn't in current circulation.

Just give me a solid unfettered connection and I'll be happy to pay someone the money for what I want when I want it along with my internet. Don't cap my internet and throttle because you can't provide decent TV at a decent rate.

Cable companies smell the death of their business model and are trying to restrict internet usages to save their own asses because of people like me. Maybe they should have sunk some money into infrastructure or better programming or developing a better on demand library. I really think that cable companies are about to hit anti trust territory with these actions. Comcast already has with VOIP QOS issues with the blocking of anything other than their own VOIP due to packet interference and throttling. They are paid to deliver internet not tell us what we can and can't do with it.

Whew too much ranting today.
/steps off of his soapbox.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21789381 Thu, 22 Jan 2009 17:25:17 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21789081 drew : 10GB/day is an incredibly large amount of data. Even the a top-bitrate encode of a netflix HD movie is ~2.5GB for a 90 minute movie. You'd have to watch 4 of those to hit that amount in a single day.. and do it every day.

SD is significantly less. Gaming is not very bandwidth intensive -- it's all about latency. IM is simply text. Photos? How many photos are you possibly uploading every day? Even the expansion for World of Warcraft that came out recently fit on a single DVD. Purchasing music from iTunes isn't a huge thing as the files aren't even lossless.

It would take quite a large amount of effort to hit that kind of cap by doing purely legitimate activities. And in fact, I have no problem with those who use more, pay more. Happens with your power bill, no?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21789081 Thu, 22 Jan 2009 16:27:53 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21789031 anon :
said by drew See Profile :

There is in no way in which a 300gb monthly cap would prohibit you from telecommuting.

The only people who use that kind of bandwidth legitimately are software/music/movie pirates. There are the odd-people out like video editors or whatever, but they should be on a business class connection for their business.
I'll be the first to say that yes you actually can reach the cap on a 10/1 account or lesser and very easily. I do in fact use my internet connection rather heavily to watch TV, game, IM, upload and download photos, purchase music, games, and stream movies. When you have multiple people in a household the cap goes rather fast. Unless you're just using your internet for email, IM, and surfing a 1980s text only site would you ever need less than 100 GB.

Now 300GB is a lot of data and I can and do hit over that amount. Given that this is a combined upload and download you can break it easily if you do graphics design, web design, video editing and a lot of back and forth in addition to your daily surfing and web habits.

At work I can routinely run up to a GB of data from sql and excel reports. If I had to download and upload the results to a server from a telecommute I'd hit 2 GB a day just from reporting. My email gets around 50-100 MB a day in received and sent screenshots and files. I would break 3GB before noon and hit this 150k cap until 24 hours later and it would destroy my ability to transfer data. If I used this much at home I would say yea I would need a business class account. Comcast offers a business account but the 250GB hard cap remains from the residential packages. Astound does not offer a business account on thier site which may just be an oversight and calls to their Customer Service may yield different results.

I would agree that a lot of users who breach 300GB are engaged in grey area behavior. If you're using the internet to pirate crap you're getting a good deal on your movies, games, music, or whatever and a few bucks for 10GB won't kill you but the daily cap will. I have issues with the pay per GB model in that it will make some people pay twice for the data. Once from the merchant and again to download. It's like a tax on using the internet.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21789031 Thu, 22 Jan 2009 16:17:10 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21788836 anon : I'd rather not say but it's internal corporate.

As to the capping, it's not 1.5mbps. I'm getting capped at between a fluctuating 150kbps and 300kbps. If I was getting capped at 1.5mbps I might not have as major a complaint but as it stands my internet is almost unusable even if it's a "stopgap" measure till they increase capacity.

As a new customer who moved into the Astound service area and left a decent provider for this crap it really doesn't give me a good impression of this company and the way they handle business. I've decided to cancel Astound and switch. I'm still within 30 days of service and don't know how they handle cancellations. I can't find any mention of termination fees or contracts anywhere.

I've already put in a call to my old provider for DRY Loop DSL 3.0-6.0 and hopefully they can arrive soon. I'll be paying damn near twice what I pay for cable but it's truly unlimited as it's a business class DSL account and that peace of mind is worth it to me. Astound was ready to have my money even with 300GB caps but the daily caps and incredibly low speed broke the camel's back. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21788836 Thu, 22 Jan 2009 15:48:15 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21788822 drew : There is in no way in which a 300gb monthly cap would prohibit you from telecommuting.

The only people who use that kind of bandwidth legitimately are software/music/movie pirates. There are the odd-people out like video editors or whatever, but they should be on a business class connection for their business.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21788822 Thu, 22 Jan 2009 15:44:52 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21788731 madcowusa : Once capped I will be canceling service for crappy, but uncapped Qwest DSL. Wave has been fantastic, but they need to rethink the horrible monthly data cap and not go backwards to plans modeled upon 1990's cell phone services.

Not that it'll do anything, but it's probably better to complain to the newspaper and county commissioners about new service limitations. Let the commissioners know that it is affecting your ability to telecommute etc and they may remember next time Wave wants renewal. Urge them to expand the PUD fiber to the home and by 2046 we may see that. Sad state of affairs around here.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21788731 Thu, 22 Jan 2009 15:30:25 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21788696 drew : 1.5mbps != 2 or 3 dialup modems.

I don't agree with daily caps, however it appears that they are a stop-gap down in CA until they can get more bandwidth. I'm a fan of stopping the high-users from ruining the experience for all rather than everyone having bad service.

What division of WFC are you with? I was a Service Manager here in WA.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21788696 Thu, 22 Jan 2009 15:26:08 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21788594 anon : So 10mbps for 45 minutes at a bargain rate of around 50 dollars. What a steal. Even better if you have 18/2 and get to use it for around 20 minutes LOL.

Seriously, the daily cap thing is worse than what Comcast could ever dream up. They at least throttle back to 50% speed and let you hit your cap. This throttling doesn't even allow you to use your full 300 GB a month.

They are advertising a bandwidth usage cap that you can never achieve, a data transfer rate that only works for 20 minutes, and the rest of the time you get speeds equal to 2-3 dialup modems and they give you the honor of paying for it. What a bunch of suckers they think everyone is.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21788594 Thu, 22 Jan 2009 15:11:16 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21788554 drew : You were never paying for 10mbps connectivity 24/7/365.

You are paying for speeds up to that amount. It seems that you do get those speeds, but not when you want them.

Vote with your feet and go to Qwest if you are dissatisfied.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21788554 Thu, 22 Jan 2009 15:03:47 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21788531 skyhawk21 : my frustration is this: im paying for something I dont even get half of the time, in this economy 55 dollars a month for internet service that works 50% of the time, is not cutting it. Yes I have one other option, QWEST DSL although they oversold dsl inet out here in SEQUIM WA and since they have done that the best speed you maybe can get is 5mbps down then minus .5 for overhead. but if that dont work the best you can get is 3mbps down. yes dsl is stable, yes the latency is higher. Wave was working perfect for me for 3 dam months straight 24/7 from sept to december 15th 2008. my router and modem had an uptime of 45 days. was getting full speed and bandwidth ALL THE TIME, then something changed at wave the week of december 15th when they started introducing all this new crap and changing out equipment and now my connection just is crap. they seem to think its my end of things when they know what they have done in this area, but of course one customer i guess complaining about it aint going to do much..

the majority of customers in sequim wa with wave are seniors.. they dont know what cable internet is, besides knowing what a speedtest is and how to test a network connection..

anyhow, connection working or not, they have this cap crap in place for all teirs and now a monthly cap that makes no sense.. so NOW WE are paying for crappy service plus data caps that on a HIGH SPEED connetion make no sense. wave needs to change their ways and needs to listen to what users have to say. so everyone should start calling the tech support center everyday until some of our gripes are solved. everytime i call though i get connected to CA call center so doesnt help much in washington area..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21788531 Thu, 22 Jan 2009 14:59:34 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21788368 drew : I've got exactly one other option to Wave: Qwest DSL. I'm pretty much in the heart of the population center of Port Orchard and cannot get provisioned for anything more than 1.5mbps from them.

So even at night when I'm only getting 2mbps, it's still better than what I could ever possibly get wit Qwest.

Does it suck? Sure. Do I call them and remind them to get more bandwidth for my node? Sure.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21788368 Thu, 22 Jan 2009 14:28:34 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21788333 anon :
said by drew See Profile :

The poster I was referring to has other options.

Except they're no faster than the "terrible" speeds he's getting now.

Cable is always advertised and it's no secret "up to" not "ALWAYS AT"
Well....what do you expect....you guys live in Sequim/Port Orchard....you're lucky to have any internet service out there...haha.

By the way, I've been up to that area several times on business. Beautiful up there.

Matt]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21788333 Thu, 22 Jan 2009 14:21:56 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21788297 drew : I'd think we'd have some ground to stand on if, and only if, they didn't make it perfectly clear that they in no way guarantee speeds.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21788297 Thu, 22 Jan 2009 14:16:24 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21788263 funchords :
said by drew See Profile :

Cable is always advertised and it's no secret "up to" not "ALWAYS AT"
It's strange that we're not allowed to pay our bills that way ... :) :D :o ;) :p
--
Robb Topolski -= funchords.com =- Hillsboro, Oregon -- KJ7RL
... Should we pay those who are "too big to fail" more money to ensure they stay that way? ...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21788263 Thu, 22 Jan 2009 14:11:39 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21788139 drew : The poster I was referring to has other options.

Except they're no faster than the "terrible" speeds he's getting now.

Cable is always advertised and it's no secret "up to" not "ALWAYS AT"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21788139 Thu, 22 Jan 2009 13:50:46 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21787957 anon :
said by drew See Profile :

Then take your business elsewhere.

This is exactly how cable Internet works.
Just one flaw in your theory. Cable companies have a monopoly in their service areas. Most of us have only 1 or 2 choices for broadband access.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21787957 Thu, 22 Jan 2009 13:19:32 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21785446 chpalmer :
Your signals are much better... What happened?

Im considering the business plan here in Bremerton but for my Sequim office unless they fix their issues I couldnt even consider them...

Qwest it shall stay I guess...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21785446 Thu, 22 Jan 2009 00:00:22 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21785273 drew : Then take your business elsewhere.

This is exactly how cable Internet works. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21785273 Wed, 21 Jan 2009 23:20:20 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21785177 skyhawk21 : must be nice to get your speeds, here in sequim, wa again having speed and latency issues due TO WAVES side of the house, they have ONE ONLY ONE cable node for all of sequim wa.. and see what it does under load? this is how my connection is 50% of the time with 10mbps/1mbps speed tier..

im sick of this crap and paying 55 buxs a month for it

in the cable modem signal screenshot ignore the 128k provisioned rates for some reason newer linksys cm100 cable modem doesnt display correct provisioned rates with waves crap...
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said by kamidake :

Yeah, who cares about speed when you are constantly hitting a cap, etc. I can't believe the 18/2 plan still is getting jailed at 3GB. wow
I've been bugging tech support every day about the 3GB cap with the 18/2 plan. It's not supposed to be capped, but all they do is tell me that it's not capped. I say yes it is capped...they say no it isn't....I say yes it is....they say no it isn't....idiots.

Please call tech support and bug them about this. Maybe if they get a bunch of calls, they will believe it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21784645 Wed, 21 Jan 2009 21:39:57 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21784403 anon : Yeah, who cares about speed when you are constantly hitting a cap, etc. I can't believe the 18/2 plan still is getting jailed at 3GB. wow]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21784403 Wed, 21 Jan 2009 21:01:15 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21782956 reddwarfusa :
said by kamidake :

One last thing. For the Sacramento area at least, the 3GB daily caps are still on. Also got the monthly cap on top of it.
Yep I'll confirm that. I stepped up to the 18/2 (BTw download speed is fine Upload still sucks at 1300kbps. I have service call placed for that but anyways) and still getting the 3gb daily cap as well. This is just about to do it for me. I think I'm gonna head to dsl, slightly slower than I had but at least no caps!!! Take my vonage with me!!
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21782956 Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:52:45 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21782633 anon : Christ if there are daily and monthly caps then screw Astound. I don't see any mention of their caps on lower service plans nor does their online data tracking tool work.

Astound(a Wave company) does not have business plans on thier site, only residential ones. I have no choice but to use 3.0 DSL for the time being and hope the caps come later rather than sooner. Maybe if I call and they do offer unadvertised plans I could consider that. Otherwise..

DSL Extreme here I come.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21782633 Wed, 21 Jan 2009 15:59:48 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21781749 anon : One last thing. For the Sacramento area at least, the 3GB daily caps are still on. Also got the monthly cap on top of it. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21781749 Wed, 21 Jan 2009 13:41:53 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21781744 anon : The monthly caps are real, just not posted on their site for obvious reasons. (nobody would sign up if the knew!) But simply call them and they can give you this info.

And to those of you who say AT&T will put in caps, yes it is possible I guess. »www.itworld.com/mobile-amp-wirel···dth-caps

Good thing I have SureWest. But you never know in the future. Right now they don't have plans to cap.

All I can say is sign up for the Wave business plans. $69.99

»www.wavebroadband.com/product.php?id=9]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21781744 Wed, 21 Jan 2009 13:40:57 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21780576 anon :
said by kamidake :

Sarthax: No, I'm not going to take that to the bank. And it WON'T be metered. Here is why.

First, AT&T owns their own transport for one.
You're forgetting one tiny little thing. They are a company. If the competition caps usage and charges for overage, ATT would be foolish not.

Matt]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21780576 Wed, 21 Jan 2009 10:35:43 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21780572 funchords :
said by kamidake :

6/1 - 50GB/month + $$
Good lord, people.

Dialup will get you 32 GB a month.

This isn't "broadband," it's "fakeband."]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21780572 Wed, 21 Jan 2009 10:34:44 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21779593 anon : So Every would say in Concord, Ca on Oliver Road...

The Best Plan I could get would Be Astound DSL or AT & T Dsl??

Like I said I need Unlimited Up/DL because of my Video Upping and Downloading for my Business...I work in my home most of the time so I am just about to move into My New Place...

So I need the BEST Deal that I get the most out of what I pay for with No Restrictiongs. Caps are ridiculous especially for someone who is in College going toward my ITT Certification on top of My Video Editing job.

So Astound is the Best or At & T for Unlimited Up/DL with No Caps? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21779593 Wed, 21 Jan 2009 05:59:37 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21779479 madcowusa : 10/1 - 100GB/month + $$

Where are you seeing that? I can't live on that, I'll starve in a week! That better not be true or I'm ordering slow Qwest DSL and will download 24/7 to get my fix. Save money too. That's insane for $55/month and very unfortunate if accurate.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21779479 Wed, 21 Jan 2009 04:14:39 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21779475 demon5 : hmm that data usage faq says average website 130kb? uhm... are they talking about average web page of nothing but text? I mean that is NOT average unless it is just like a google search]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21779475 Wed, 21 Jan 2009 04:11:11 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21779383 anon : WAVE BROADBAND UPDATE !

Out with the daily caps and in with the harsh monthly ones.

18/2 - As posted on their site it's 300GB/month + $$ overage
10/1 - 100GB/month + $$
6/1 - 50GB/month + $$

hahahaha. 50GB. That's like... you can't do crap and you're paying overage. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21779383 Wed, 21 Jan 2009 02:42:03 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21779282 chpalmer : 66.119.222.121 = Noanet Fiber. PUD Fiber may be involved.

»noanet.net/

To the other poster about the docsis comment... It all funnels through somewhere. Ive seen our Qwest DSL slow to a crawl when our remote terminal gets busy...

Maybe they will get DOCSIS 3.0 up and running soon. Still doesnt matter though because wherever it dumps onto the backbone can congest just as easily if the pipes not big enough...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21779282 Wed, 21 Jan 2009 01:49:26 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21779070 anon : Sarthax: No, I'm not going to take that to the bank. And it WON'T be metered. Here is why.

First, AT&T owns their own transport for one. And also they are not in a shared DOCSIS system. Your DSL line goes directly out to the network cloud after it hits the DSLAM. And their cost for bandwidth is cheap, real cheap. Think less than $10 a month per dedicated Megabit.

And I am glad you're not buying into their idea to get everyone on 18/2. It's a total scam. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21779070 Wed, 21 Jan 2009 00:17:04 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21778396 Endorphine : Well interesting to see they are now instituting caps, but it was expected to happen soon anyways. I don't really have any problems with the cap, as I don't use P2P that much. Speed have also been decent, with the occasional slow down in then evening. I have the 10/1.5 plan and this was the test to night at 6:40ish pm.

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21778396 Tue, 20 Jan 2009 21:45:08 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21776926 anon : Kamidake, AT&T DSL and Uverse will be metered. You can take that to the bank.

If there truly is and unmetered business plan I'd signup at the drop of a hat. I don't need 18/2 speeds. I'm actually quite happy with 3-6. However Astound does not seem to advertise any business plans, only residental packages.

I also wonder why there's no limits listed for plans slower than 18/2. Either they don't plan on adding any limits and leaving the throttling in place or they are still deciding on what to place the cap at. If they don't add a cap on lower plans or keep the same 300 GB cap, no one would sign up for the higher tier packages. If they do add caps it will be artificially low to force people to sign up for higher tier plans.

Which do you think any company with an interest in the bottom line would pick.

I wonder if you don't switch to a new plan, are you limited by this new cap for the duration of your existing plan? If so I could live with the old plan and just MAC change every now and again and would be able to eek out more GB per month than someone on a capped plan would. I've also seen the cap being pushed down to 1.87 GB from 3 GB for me. Then at other times it doesn't seem to cap at all. This capping must be some dynamic based on network conditions?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21776926 Tue, 20 Jan 2009 17:43:04 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21776707 anon : For all of you complaining about speeds you have two choices. 1. Go with DSL. In my area SureWest serves and provides DSL up to 10Mbps. That's your best option or even 6Mbps what ATT offers. DSL is unlimited and probably always will be.

If you live far from the CO and you want high speed, I would go with the 6.0/1.5 BUSINESS plan by Wave. It's completely unmetered but it costs 69.99.

Good luck]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21776707 Tue, 20 Jan 2009 17:03:29 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21776641 skyhawk21 : To ChPalmer:

check out my trace route and compare it to yours.. im in sequim, wa and your in bremerton correct?

why such a difference then? I mean looking at yours and my trace routes we have our router box then on mine they filter me through a 10.3.0.1 gateway which is first ip/hop i hit from there headend on their side, i think this is the filter router/system to cap crap or sniff your packets.. then next hop is the node in your town that you go through ok fine and dandy there.. then i go through this 66.119.222.121 ip which must be real gateway to inet like your noahnet ips.. accept this ip must be the backbone link installed in sequim/port angeles area.. then from that to the seattle backbones to the 4.2.2.1. So why over here do they make wave customers get filtered through a local lan ip on the headend side? then out to the internet through their measly backbone over here..?? no one here that works for wave can explain it and the "network engineers" were suppose to contact me and work with me through the ip crap and they never did, imagine that.. still getting high pings and latency issues..

Anyhow yes i think there is the real microwave wireless here.. accept its slower than crap and the latency and ping is HIGH.. also i live in new apartment building so that would be fun to try out and deal with apartment ppl..

THERE is a fiber line installed from PUD from port angeles to sequim, wa.. but from their current map it goes up to a certain road in the direction of my apartments from main road then stops shy a half or quarter mile from apartments, and i dont think they could get contract with them to do residential fiber install at apartments. if they COULD IT be awesome cuz it would be direct link to my college in P.A. fiber, they use all the one and only fiber from PUD..

other than that its crappy qwest or crappy wave. if they actually had a real network engineer know what hes doing in the headend building his job, should be to optimize and tweak the fiber coming into their equipment, then LOAD BALANCE everything to customers and equipment and ip's and gateways and such.. and help out customers who have issues that ARENT related to the customers stuff in their living quarters..

Also it would be wise to use more THAN ONE single NODE for all cable subscribers in sequim, wa then people would get the speed they pay for no issues then.. My assumption for my issues is this: when there one and only single node gets filled/ congested and pounded so to speak with max users, ping goes high, packet loss occurs, bandwidth drops.. Also since wave is in port angeles for the HQ now, i think they are always doing their own private stuff on the same backbone their customers use so when they do this they cause all customers bandwidth to drop since they want to use their network for whatever the heck they do with it over here...
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21776641 Tue, 20 Jan 2009 16:53:25 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21774865 anon : Sandman, I'm in Concord also and had little choice but to use a local provider Aircloud before I switched to Astound. The prices were extremely overpriced for the service but support is better than large telco or cable and there are no caps.

I found that Aircloud is reselling DSL Extreme packages at inflated rates. I looked into the packages through DSL extreme and the best they could do in an AT&T serviced area was 1.5-3.0. The price isn't bad but I would need to get a land line and that's an extra 10-15 a month for a phone I'd never use.

I'm extremely hesitant to go to AT&T for the higher speed DSL packages since I know they'll be adding worse caps that anything seen inside the USA(Uverse and DSL). Basically there is nothing else around besides low speed DSL or expensive unmetered wireless.

I'm just going to have to suck it up and work with Astound's 300GB caps since it's the best metered internet around. I'd be glad to pay for the extra bandwidth and caps with options of overage instead of comcast's throttling and threat of account closure for breaching 250GB.

I'm a power user and I don't mind paying for the bandwidth but so long as it's fair. Astound so far is the best option with $5/10GB. My only issue is even normal web browsing upload and download counts. Overhead from newsgroups is almost 1/3 of the actual file sizes for extra data and upload. I need to start restricting my usage and seeing what I'm really using. One computer alone is up to around 450GB in a month combined but it's hard to tell what part of that's internal or external.

I think it's almost time to see about getting a DVR setup on my computer and just recording the shows I want instead of downloading them and save a ton of bandwidth that is better used elsewhere. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21774865 Tue, 20 Jan 2009 12:26:04 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21774513 chpalmer : Looks like Seattle to me... Cant get any closer than that.

Theres plenty of wireless to go around in Sequim Skyhawk...

Im not sure you will get any better service but even where my shop is we have wireless available. Spendy but available.

I was going to pay Wave to string another 1/8 of a mile to my location due to how bad I need the bandwidth but your experience has changed my plans...

I may end up bringing it in via microwave link now since I have a path to a fiber hub... There you go... any fiber around you?

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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21774513 Tue, 20 Jan 2009 11:24:07 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21773395 skyhawk21 : Mr "value his privacy" doesnt know much about much its funny MR Anonymous trys to sound like he knows what hes talking about. maybe he should visit internet traffic report site the main one and look up all the main backbone servers and their ips, and if he does his homework and all he will figure out the best backbone with the best pings on west coast in the states are the 4.*.*.*..

Maybe he should learn how to do a trace route command in a dos window under his desktop. I like how he said in his other posts replying to mine "pinging an ip address such as theirs will look like a DDOS attack" pinging an ip is not an attack, low and behold his cable modem is being pinged on tcp/udp ports 24/7 from outside traffic on net and inside traffic on inside gateways from isp.. also snmp and arp pings.. OH OH a denial of service attack against him..

How can people come here showing off their nice connection (but wont logon, and remains anonymous which doesnt show their true ISP) and saying they dont have these caps when the majority of customers with wave have issues, dont get the bandwidth they pay for the majority of the time, cant get their moneys worth as a customer, and are being capped with certain things they download..

It just pushes my buttons, WHY wont I switch from wave in Sequim, WA? Qwest is only other choice, max speed you get is 5mbps and with that your pings use interleave mode so the quickest ping you get although its stable 24/7 as long as your line quality is good, is in the 45-50ms local side.. When wave does work and its smooth as butter which lately it hasnt been FOR ME, I had pings from 11-20ms stable to that backbone "4.2.2.1" good dam latency if u ask me and I would get close to capped speeds on modem..

oh well I guess ill give in and not complain anymore, hasnt gotten me anywhere.. and since im the only one with issues apparently.. with the physical evidence in all the screen shots ive been posting recently. must be my fault..

Skyhawk21 out!!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21773395 Tue, 20 Jan 2009 05:37:13 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21773375 anon : So What is the Best DSL/Cable Available in my Area?? I live in Concord, CA 94520...

I heard about the caps and throttling of Comcast 250GB Cap and Astound Throttling.

I am a HEAVY Video Editor who Downloads like 4-10 GB's a Day so I can edit them for my business. I upload my Final products which usually vary between 700MB to 6GB's because I upload it back to my Business's service...

I HATE Caps because it prevents me from Unlimited use of not worrying about Downloading or Uploading my WORK for Christ sake.

Which Company should I go with that would give me Awsome speeds on top of No Caps??

I am thinking AT & T aka SBC, but are they capping or what?

I use such programs for upping and d/ling u_torrent, Rapid Share, and Mega Upload. I Hope I could mention those here.

Please help me guys. I need Unlimited, but I can't really afford like 100 bucks a month with limitations.

Which service would work best in my area? I looked into DSL Xtreme but I looked up my area and I get 2 out of 5 Speed which isn't so good.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21773375 Tue, 20 Jan 2009 05:12:13 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21773199 anon : madcow....you might be waiting a while. The CSR at Wave told me they weren't going to start enforcing the 300 GB limit until April.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21773199 Tue, 20 Jan 2009 03:02:01 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21773051 funchords : 4.2.2.1 is anycast routed -- ignore any results from geolocation or whois services. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21773051 Tue, 20 Jan 2009 01:43:46 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21772610 anon : I dont log in with my own information because I value my privacy. And I dont work for wave, but I used to work for an ISP with whiny customers.

I wouldnt feel like an ass for paying my bill because if I didnt like it that much, I would switch.

How's this for homework?

According to this site
( »www.geobytes.com/IpLocator.htm?GetLocation )
and this site
( »www.ipligence.com/geolocation/?l···&search# )

the server is in Colorado. Not exactly on the west coast, OR owned by GTE.. but hey, maybe next time, huh?

OrgName: Level 3 Communications, Inc. (not GTE)
OrgID: LVLT
Address: 1025 Eldorado Blvd.
City: Broomfield
StateProv: CO (not west coast)
PostalCode: 80021
Country: US

NetRange: 4.0.0.0 - 4.255.255.255
CIDR: 4.0.0.0/8
NetName: LVLT-ORG-4-8
NetHandle: NET-4-0-0-0-1
Parent:
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: NS1.LEVEL3.NET
NameServer: NS2.LEVEL3.NET
Comment:
RegDate:
Updated: 2004-06-04

OrgAbuseHandle: APL8-ARIN
OrgAbuseName: Abuse POC LVLT
OrgAbusePhone: +1-877-453-8353
OrgAbuseEmail: abuse@level3.com

OrgTechHandle: ARINC4-ARIN
OrgTechName: ARIN Contact
OrgTechPhone: +1-800-436-8489
OrgTechEmail: arin-contact@genuity.net

OrgTechHandle: TPL1-ARIN
OrgTechName: Tech POC LVLT
OrgTechPhone: +1-877-453-8353
OrgTechEmail: ipaddressing@level3.com]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21772610 Tue, 20 Jan 2009 00:33:24 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21772735 madcowusa : Ooh that's nice speed Wave_Sequim! Drooling here. After some reflection I'm on the fence about ordering the 18/2. It's the overage charges that have me hesitating. I'm somewhat confident 300GB is adequate based on historical usage, but 2 growing kids with PC's and the wife telecommuting more and transferring huge files might put us over. I also have 2 IP security cameras set up that I'd like to stream (non-public family use), add in a Slingbox, or kid(s) getting into online gaming and I'd be hosed. Maybe I'll wait a few months and see if Wave is strictly enforcing the cap or giving people some slack. It is nice to finally see the higher speeds as an option - I can see a 30/5 in a year (or two).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21772735 Tue, 20 Jan 2009 00:06:29 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21772509 anon : Why would Wave (or any ISP) care what people are downloading as long as the heavy users are paying extra? They are indirectly making money off of illegal downloads because people that engage in that kind of activity are willing to pay A LOT more per month for faster connection

Matt]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21772509 Mon, 19 Jan 2009 23:21:01 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21772071 skyhawk21 : Mr anonymous@com.br dont you supposedly work for wave? and you dont know what 4.2.2.1 is? its not a server in colorado. do your home work its GTE/GTI backbone for west coast.. do you know what a trace route is? and to see if you get high latency/packet loss you test it by pinging an ip address several times. basic networking troubleshooting.. you sure know alot of things.. go read the comcast forums 4.2.2.1 and the likes and other ones with those addresses are used for main high speed dns servers that are far better than waves crap and comcasts crap...

why dont u logon with your real information and show us trace routes and your gateway ip and your pings and so forth and signal levels on modem and help those of us who have issues that is having to do with waves equipment somewhere in the loop... u wanna defend wave and wave employees downlloading bit torrents? good luck then with your linux distros that go over 300gbs a month make sure you use your data tracker on wavebroadband.com to track those distros dont want to overdo the limit.. oh and when you personally do have issues, maybe then youll feel like an ass for paying 75 buxs a month for service u dont get 24/7..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21772071 Mon, 19 Jan 2009 22:08:49 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21771301 drew : How many linux distros do you download per day?

*snicker*]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21771301 Mon, 19 Jan 2009 19:55:19 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21771146 anon : Looks to me like there is more than enough bandwidth.



Where in the world can you get 4mb on dial-up? And what the heck are you doing pinging the dickens out of some poor UN-RELATED server somewhere in Colorado? maybe THEY are busy and slow right now. Im surprised they havent thought you were trying a DDoS attack, and reported you to Wave for abuse.

Of course, if youre that dissatisfied with Wave, you could always vote with your wallet, and pay someone else for service. Maybe you could find this imaginary 4mb dial-up?

Oh, and quit attacking people who are talking about torrents. There are lots of LEGAL torrents out there (I use it for linux distros), and only people who download illegal ones would assume that of others.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21771146 Mon, 19 Jan 2009 19:24:48 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21766226 funchords :
said by skyhawk21 See Profile :

dslreports.com monitors people like u posting stuff like that and turns it in to the isp at yer ip address
Are we just making stuff up here?
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... Should we pay those who are "too big to fail" more money to ensure they stay that way? ...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21766226 Sun, 18 Jan 2009 23:53:38 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21765603 anon : demon/redwarfusa.....

Their new plans will remove the daily download cap.

Here's my guess at the REAL reason behind the daily caps. They are implementing new payment plans with MONTHLY download caps instead of the "Unlimited" plans they had previously. BUT....they need someway to force heavy users into calling them and switching to one of their new plans. So they put in the 3 gig/day cap leaving their customers with 2 options.

1) Stick with your existing plan and live with the 3 GB/Day download limit. Casual internet users would never even notice.

2) Heavy downloaders WILL notice and will now have to call their customer service #, and switch over to one of their new plans, which will probably also cost you $10 more per month if you want more than 10 MB download speeds.

So this has all just been one giant plan to get heavy users to agree to a $10/month price increase. Pretty sneaky if you ask me. But it's a cable company, so what do you expect?

Matt]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21765603 Sun, 18 Jan 2009 21:28:25 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21764824 skyhawk21 : hey mat22, are you actually getting those speeds? and where are you located? show us a speedtest and a trace route to 4.2.2.1

MADCOW I WAS saying if YOU, use newsgroups in wa area and you use regular un secured unencrypted connectons to whatever newsgroup server, WAVE DOES throttle you down when you hit exactly 1.87 gigs downloaded try it normal connections... from your top tier speed, to 256k download for 24 hours from that server...

NOW IF YOU USE SSL-256bit encryption THEN OF COURSE THEY CANT sniff your packets and filter/throttle you as of yet..

and who downloads copyrighted material as a test to test their speed on a newsgroup server thats a bunch of bull and you know it.. also I WOULD CARE since dslreports.com monitors people like u posting stuff like that and turns it in to the isp at yer ip address and its the WAVE employees responsibility to turn in users who prove they download coprighted material in a msg board like u did...

what your saying is like if a cop drives by a robbery in progress although hes going to another call he doesnt have to stop and report it and do something about it.. since the wave employees are supervisors its there responsbility to report violations.. like I said good luck!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21764824 Sun, 18 Jan 2009 18:47:52 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21764553 reddwarfusa : Demon 5 - Completely with you, also I did more testing, it is COMBINED upload and download that triggers the cap. If you upload say 1.5 and download 1.5 Gig then you'll be capped for rest of day. Time to start talking with surewest again, I wonder...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21764553 Sun, 18 Jan 2009 17:53:41 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21764326 demon5 : well actually that 10/1 is more like 1.5/1 if you download one large file more than 3GB. Oh and btw using ssl doesn't help where I am at. I got newsbin running on ssl and still get capped. Now that I canceled my tv service and have satelite they charging another 10 dollars on top of the already rip off price. Anyone here know a company that goes over 3mbit in 95677? This just won't work for me at these speeds especially if my work puts me at home to do job. Will def need faster internet.

Oh and by the way. Wave employee's aparently call you an abuser for downloading large files and taking up they're bandwidth. Is it not clear that every user that pays more than DOUBLE the price of the low speed connection obviously has every intent and is not trying to hide the fact that they are trying to download LARGE files? I mean it says right on the plan. power user, power users need speed to download large files. We are not wanting 10mbit for surfing web pages. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21764326 Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:54:00 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21764015 anon : Here is my speed test results. It seems faster than the 15/1.5 service I used to have. By the way, I'm located in Lincoln, CA.

Not sure why it now reports me as hctc.com domain.

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21764015 Sun, 18 Jan 2009 15:51:20 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21763749 madcowusa : I just saw the availability of the 18/2 and the 300GB cap on Wave's site. I take back my enthusiasm for Wave's service with this cap, which can change at any time, and I agree to be using their service and requires me to keep logging in to check what my household has used. No thanks.

It's still a good service, but no way am I playing that game as I have enough problems with t-mobile every month an their annoying usage charges and don't need the hassle. I cannot find anywhere what the monthly cap is for the 10/1 plan?

There is NO WAY I'm paying $900/year for capped internet with likelihood of expensive overage charges. Last year Wave could charge $75/month for 18/2, but not in this economy. Your marketing consultants are out of touch and good luck with mass TV cancellations as the economy tanks further. The day I get an overage charge on the bill is the day I cancel and go back to Qwest DSL. It won't be as much fun, but I'll manage and it's super cheap plus uncapped. Besides I'm already using my G1 phone more and more for streaming internet radio and youtube to the tune of 1/2gig per day and rising.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21763749 Sun, 18 Jan 2009 14:57:12 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21763337 anon : FYI, I spoke to Wave today. Their new packages are ready in most areas, but they are not advertising yet. Call customer service and they can sign you up. I don't have all the details, but the package I ended up getting is 18/2 with 300 GB/month cap for $75/month ($10/less if you have cable). It's $5 per 10 GB if you go over the 300 GB/month.

Next cheaper plan is 10/1 for $65 which sucks because I had unlimited 15/1.5 plan before for $65, but they don't offer the 15/1.5 plan anymore. So congratulations to their marketing department for squeezing me for an extra $10/month.

I don't know if I will keep Wave or not. $75/month is more than I want to pay, but I don't want to go back down to 10/1.

Matt]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21763337 Sun, 18 Jan 2009 13:38:30 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21761902 madcowusa :
said by skyhawk21 See Profile :

YOU JUST ADMITTED to DOWNLOADING COPYRIGHTED MATERIAL... you just proved to the world you downloaded... good luck with that!
Yeah, OK, you got me. And our economy is entering utter meltdown and 1 billion people live in filthy poverty. It was a random test using an openly available file and not distributing. Besides I don't care. I really don't.

skyhawk21, if you're so unhappy about Wave and feel they're ripping you off and being dishonest then why not cancel and find something better? I know I would. On topic, I also tested 7GB continuous download using bittorrent and THERE IS NO CAP AT 3GB, at least not here... No 3GB slowdown on Usenet, SSL-connected nntp, or bittorrent. The speed remained steady at 1MB/s.

Wave internet has been super reliable for me, I haven't reset the modem in probably a year and get very close to or right at advertised speed consistently. Even their installer was very cool and gave me a hands on lesson on compression fittings and where to get the professional tool they use. Until that changes I have no complaints other than I wish they'd roll out faster tiers more often.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21761902 Sun, 18 Jan 2009 03:28:49 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21761354 skyhawk21 : more proof of no bandwidth to support current speed tiers let alone there newest one..
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21761303 Sat, 17 Jan 2009 23:34:53 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21760911 skyhawk21 : hey "MADCOWUSA" its not smart to login with your ip to dslreports.com HINT HINT.. and to HINT HINT post a screenshot of using a newsgroup server client proggie and show a screenshot of you downloading the matrix the trioligy blue ray rip, to your HINT HINT home pc with a HINT HINT wave supervisor employee in the msg discussion let alone the other ones that float around.. YOU JUST ADMITTED to DOWNLOADING COPYRIGHTED MATERIAL. good luck with that one, wave doesnt send out little letters in the mail-box like comcast with a warning for copyrighted stuff.. you just proved to the world you downloaded... good luck with that!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21760911 Sat, 17 Jan 2009 22:03:02 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21760875 skyhawk21 : "nxtplato" and his comments.. he is supposedly a sequim,wa / port angeles, wa wave supervisor employee and he downloads from bit torrents and the likes? its funny he admitted that here and he has no caps.. OF course he doesnt he works for the dam company, HEY nxt plato go become a normal resident customer, use a newsgroup proggie, connect to any newsgroup server in the world, open 6 connections to download whatever you desire, watch what happens when the connection hits 1.87gig precisely using normal newsgroup ports and connections... Wave does throttle you in this area on certain things.. now use SSL-256 bit encryption to connect to newsgroup server.. OH POOR WAVE they cant throttle you no more, wanna know why? SSL-256bit is direct connect from server to you and cannot be filtered out from the new wave equipment, if they tried it would break the ssl connection and it wouldnt work at all.. then youd be oweing customers alot more money for taking from them what they pay for..

like right now im downloading stuff and getting 6mbps..

YET wave has the gull to add a new speed tier that is 18mbps/2mbps compared to what im using which is 10mbps/1mbps and their dam bandwidth issues cant even get me that speed unless its midnight or 6 am in the morning yet they have the balls to add another speed tier.

wave needs to pull their head out of their ass and re-think things through. IF YOU DONT HAVE THE BANDWIDTH TO BEGIN WITH THATS WHY YOU IMPLEMENTED NEW DATA CAPS ON ALL SPEED TIERS TO OVERCHARGE PEOPLE SO THEY DONT STEAL THE SPEED FROM OTHER CUSTOMERS.. WHY ADD A NEW SPEED TIER when YOUR OTHER HIGH SPEED TIER PEOPLE CANT EVEN ATTAIN!!

ONE AWESOME thing about comcast when you and the heandend are good to go, the speeds and powerboost they give you, their equipment can more than handle and dish out. they got 30 and 50mb down speed tiers, thats like having the internet as a local lan at your house. and their equipment can handle it.. i miss comcast... they are a ripoff no doubt at least you get the speed u do pay for minus the data caps.. here at wave, their is data caps but hell cant even get the speed to reach my data cap..

crazy..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21760875 Sat, 17 Jan 2009 21:55:51 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21757139 demon5 : Personally I don't think we should need this loophole. I have directv now at my house for my tv. -130-140 a month to wave. still have the internet through them but looking at options. There is only one person there that has even treated me as a customer with respect. And no this was not one of the techs on phone. "they basically act like every customer is an idiot and treat them as such" I do like my new tv prices though. got like every channel for 80 a month for a year :). I was one of starstreams first cable modem subscribers here. And I have needs for the higher speeds which is why I pay 55 a month for the higher speed that I am not getting. btw Quoting section 7 of a tos that I never signed on here is not a good way to keep a customer happy. There was none of that when I signed up]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21757139 Sat, 17 Jan 2009 03:34:53 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21744002 funchords :
said by Sarthax :

Just tested and a reboot of the modem and a MAC change on the router resets the throttling until that MAC exceeds 3GB. Wonder what the repercussions could be from constant MAC changing?
I'd say that if enough people automated it, then that would close this loophole. If you only used it for times that you really, really needed it, it wouldn't be worth the trouble of closing the loophole.
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...just some more roadkill on the Information Superhighway...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21744002 Thu, 15 Jan 2009 00:23:27 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21743562 anon : Just tested and a reboot of the modem and a MAC change on the router resets the throttling until that MAC exceeds 3GB. Wonder what the repercussions could be from constant MAC changing? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21743562 Wed, 14 Jan 2009 22:38:07 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21742748 ryanwa : How do I change the mac address for the router?

also, don't they have everyones mac address for their modem on file so it won't be able to be changed?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21742748 Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:10:42 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21740036 drew : Welcome to the boards!

There are many, many other forums here at DSLR that contain a wide variety of tech topics to general discussion and chat forums. Feel free to PM me (by going to my profile page) if you have any questions.

I've been here for a while :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21740036 Wed, 14 Jan 2009 13:03:56 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21740021 reddwarfusa : I would confirm this is what I was told, I am a user, the supervisor confirmed they have a "new circuit" going online in the next few weeks and alledgedly a speed increase coming in the near future. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21740021 Wed, 14 Jan 2009 13:02:23 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21740013 reddwarfusa : Well took Drew's advice and joined. Glad to see mac address works. I'm having to change mac 3-4 times a day, and I still stick with the issue that it seems to be combined upload & download 3Gb cap. Thats the reason it runs out so quick!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21740013 Wed, 14 Jan 2009 13:00:14 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21739902 funchords :
said by wavesucks :

"they are filtering by mac address so if you can change your mac and reboot the router it should reset the bandwidth cap. Also the cap resets every day at midnight."

That's it, that's the key. I have confirmed that just changing your mac address on your router will reset the cap. I have done this 3 times now and it works like a charm every time. Thanks for the information :)
That's probably fine with them, too.

The problem is with people that aren't at their keyboard that leave their stuff running full-open 24/7/365. If you're there to change your MAC address, then you're actually there using your connection and waiting for your transfers to complete.

Rather than limiting and capping -- which affects everyone badly from time to time, I sure wish the ISPs would reach out to these few folks that run 24/7/365 and help them tune their file-sharing software in a cooperative way.

This capping and throttling approach just makes it an "us versus them" problem -- they build in a limit, we create a work-around, cat and mouse -- it's crazy to keep doing the same thing and expect a different result.
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...just some more roadkill on the Information Superhighway...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21739902 Wed, 14 Jan 2009 12:40:35 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21738267 anon : "they are filtering by mac address so if you can change your mac and reboot the router it should reset the bandwidth cap. Also the cap resets every day at midnight."

That's it, that's the key. I have confirmed that just changing your mac address on your router will reset the cap. I have done this 3 times now and it works like a charm every time. Thanks for the information :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21738267 Wed, 14 Jan 2009 04:52:44 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21738187 madcowusa : All this 3GB/day cap discussion has me freaked out as it would put a serious dent in my ability to consume ever increasing amounts of data. I'm doing another test today and things are looking really good so far.

This morning I probably downloaded 20GB while I was out and now I'm 17GB into a continuous download of 105GB's. If maxing out the line for 24 hours straight doesn't incur a cap then I can say with certainty this bit of Washington has no cap. Hope it stays that way too as 3GB/day is seriously lame. Maybe the California cap is temporary as Wave upgrades, integrates, assimilates another system?

This screen shows nice speed and a smooth download of 105gigs in progress. The dips in the blue graph are me watching youtube and liveleak videos. I have some other constantly updating stuff running too, but minor. This is just a test - I don't abuse Wave like this every day. Some days I read a few pages and check email, or will be offline for days. Good luck everyone. I'll do a massive torrent test tomorrow if I remember to do so.

Disclaimer: the files being downloaded are for testing purposes only. No actual files we harmed during the making of this screenshot. Don't try this at home. ;)
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21738187 Wed, 14 Jan 2009 03:39:01 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21737861 drew : While I can understand your hesistation, this topic is a front-page item here at DSLR: »Wave Broadband Institutes 3GB Daily Cap?

He's an employee of a corporation we're all customers of. Even if you don't want to post it, register an account and send it in a PM to Karl Bode See Profile, since he's the news guy.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21737861 Wed, 14 Jan 2009 00:41:28 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21737850 anon : To Drew - I did and his direct extension and I'm not sure i should distribute on this board. They did give me one hint... they are filtering by mac address so if you can change your mac and reboot the router it should reset the bandwidth cap. Also the cap resets every day at midnight.

Hope thats enough to coroborate]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21737850 Wed, 14 Jan 2009 00:37:33 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21737811 NxtPlato : FYI - As far as Sequim / Port Angeles -

TONS of torrents, Netflix streaming, up to 20gb already today (pretty normal) and no sign of throttling here. Maybe this is just in California systems?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21737811 Wed, 14 Jan 2009 00:24:18 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21736529 drew : Did you get a name or anything a 3rd party could verify this with?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21736529 Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:15:36 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21736166 anon : I spoke with them yesterday on this and got the whole story. They ARE throttling down to around 15% of you speeds. In my case this went down to 1.5mbps and its for ALL traffic not just torrents!! The cap is 3GB per day (which i wrongly assumed was just download) as from the stats on my router it seems that upload also affects this 3Gb cap. They are preparing for some new speed releases and a new "circuit" they called it. BUT the new structure will have cap limits as well. The guy i spoke with stated 300Gb per month! After that they will charge a fee for every 10gb extra downloaded. Hopefully that helps!!

Hope that helps to fill in the blanks]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21736166 Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:13:32 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21733249 anon :
said by funchords See Profile :

...

The first page of this thread is suggesting that the throttling is for certain kinds of traffic, others are posting that everything gets throttled after 3 GB. So what's the real story?
Not sure what the real story is, but I do know that Steve Friedman is leading a fight against misinformation against Viacom. Seems to me that Steve should look into misinformation in his own organization or at least address the issue. news.google.com]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21733249 Tue, 13 Jan 2009 11:14:50 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21729806 drew : Hey, I tipped that story to Karl...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21729806 Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:39:08 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21729640 funchords : All,

Was pointed to this thread by the Front Page story: »Wave Broadband Institutes 3GB Daily Cap?

The first page of this thread is suggesting that the throttling is for certain kinds of traffic, others are posting that everything gets throttled after 3 GB. So what's the real story?
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...just some more roadkill on the Information Superhighway...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21729640 Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:08:00 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21720011 anon : Why is it if I use one of my previous screen names (kamidake55) it shows as wavecable.com? I'm off that garbage service]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21720011 Sun, 11 Jan 2009 02:51:44 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21720006 anon : no... AT&T DOES NOT CAP their DSL. In fact, I have never heard of capping or throttling of ANY DSL provider. It will be 100% speed 24/7]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21720006 Sun, 11 Jan 2009 02:50:19 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21717489 ryanwa : at&t has dsl available 6 down/768kb up for about the same price. not sure if they cap or will soon start.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21717489 Sat, 10 Jan 2009 18:20:30 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21714372 anon : heh. Glad to see some of you canceling. All I know is that if you can get on a 6Meg+ DSL or fiber connection, you are MUCH better off. No restrictions and speed is ALWAYS 100% no matter what you do. The way it should be.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21714372 Sat, 10 Jan 2009 03:55:25 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21710145 anon : I just signed up for Astound in Concord, CA this week and found out that this capping is real. I downloaded some TV shows from usenet and after a few hours the connection capped at 150kbps.

I have not done solid testing to determine the limit but I would assume 3GB in 24 hours sounds about right. Given that I pay for a 10mbps connection I could cap out in under an hour of downloading and then I'm capped at 150kbps for 24 hours? This is unacceptable use policy and is not detailed anywhere on their site or literature for service or user agreements. From what I've read this capping applies to ALL transfers other than HTTP i.e. usenet, torrent, FTP, P2P, video streaming. I don't know about you, but I can cap 3GB just watching online TV shows since I don't use cable service.

I thought Comcast was horrid in their business practices of 250GB caps but under this system you'd be lucky to get 125GB a month of actual data through the pipe. This move is obviously intended to force the consumer to stop using the internet for video content and force them to either pay for on demand services or HD cable services.

Astound fails the consumer market with these practices and I will be canceling the service. I just hope there's no early termination fee as I can't find any mention of it anywhere. I'll be switching back to a local internet company that supplies business class service with no metering. Any time you get a company that has a conflict of interest with TV and Internet services you'll end up with this kind of garbage that we are seeing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21710145 Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:38:05 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21706982 gtojim : I did the same, saved $10 per month. For to long I was paying for 10mb download speed. Maybe if more customers do this Wave will get the message.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21706982 Thu, 08 Jan 2009 22:57:39 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21706213 drew : I should mention that I maxed out my 6 meg connection last night from usenet for a solid 4 hours.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21706213 Thu, 08 Jan 2009 20:58:19 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21705914 ryanwa : I just took my plan down to 6 down/1 up. Screw this.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21705914 Thu, 08 Jan 2009 20:05:27 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21700337 anon : I am having the same problem. I have the 8mb/1mb service from wave in the roseville area and ever since November my speeds always seem to drop to about 1.5mb exactly. If I switch routers my speeds to back to 8mb and then 1hour later it will drop to 1.5mb like clock work. If I plug my modem directly into my computer my speeds go back to 8mb and again they drop to 1.5mb. Wave is doing something and it really sucks.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21700337 Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:20:16 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21680914 anon : hey thats looking like how my connection was last night here in sequim, wa i had pings all the way into the 3600's and my avergae was 360 also my speeds were 1.0 down and 500 up when im paying for 10mbps down and 1.0 up.. what ajoke and the techs first question is: are you using bit torrent? I dont do that crap]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21680914 Sun, 04 Jan 2009 18:39:44 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21680342 gtojim : TCP pause last night during peak hours.
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If you see many TCP pauses exceeding 80-100ms then it is likely that the connection test is spending more time waiting for data than moving data. If the TCP pause pattern looks very symmetrical and regular then it may indicate that there is a throttling process managing/restricting the data flow. If the TCP pause pattern is more erratic and variable then it would indicate network delays as a result of congestion or other network problems.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21667786 Thu, 01 Jan 2009 21:40:16 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21662563 anon : haha ssctv is nowhere to be found. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21662563 Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:18:14 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21662197 luluddd : ssctv
Do you have any comments/response to the past few pages of posts ? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21662197 Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:07:12 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21658968 anon : They have slowed me down without telling me also. I thought I was having router problems because when I plugged in directly to my Modem I was back to my regular speed. I called customer service and they told me it had to be the router also. What type of company would not tell their customer service department ( their front line to customer) what they are doing. I called AT&T today and am taking their full package internet, cable, and telephone. I have been with Starstream for over 13 years, Wave did us no favors here in the Rocklin California market when they purchased Starstream Cable. This is a small community and word will get out.....If they are going to come out with a new rate plan that is speed and usage billed they should not of just slowed us down here in Rocklin without telling us and then after getting us pissed off, tell us about a usage type plan. I do not mind paying for what I use but not they way this company approaches it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21658968 Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:25:38 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21658910 anon : Back again, Can they legally just slow you down after 3G per day, give you no credit and not even tell you. I have no problem paying for what I use if they are going to a speed/usage plan like this in two or three months, but with the situation presently I get 10M down speed per day until I reach 3G and then my speed goes to 1G down speed. I guess what I am saying is I'm paying for a plan that is now restricting me with no choice BUT still paying a prem price for it. CAN THEY LEGALLY DO THIS TO THE COMSUMER. By the way I have been a customer for over ten years and I'm sure they had no clause in the contract back then]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21658910 Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:07:51 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21658877 NxtPlato : I don't know where you are in Sequim, but I would definately have to say it's something a lot closer to you than Kirkland..

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21658877 Tue, 30 Dec 2008 23:57:21 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21658729 skyhawk21 : hey where you located? maybe we should just drive somewhere and meet and have a local lan party for games. this shit with wave is un dam believable.... there answer to everything its on your end, how in the hell as customers are we suppose to fix issues with routers and fiber lines on THEIR network from our house. hell they can give me the login and password to there secret crap and ill hack it. anyways my inet is going at 2k a second worst than dial up. if you loose a fiber line u think their backup would be able to handle the load, what does wave do with all the money we give them? put it in their pockets and party. I installed a new MOBO and system and have to re install everything.. I got 12 legit games from valve off of steam and I dont think ever at this rate ill be able to get that going. i got like 50 gigs of games from them i need to re-download and install... dumbass wave! in sequim, other choice is qwest at 5mbps and they have their issues out here as well since i had them. WISH I HAD COMCAST cant beleive im saying that. anyhow goodluck all and SCREW OFF WAVE!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21658729 Tue, 30 Dec 2008 23:09:38 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21658664 anon : My husband had to reinstall XP tonight because of some issues, and as he went to start downloading drivers, the internet slowed down (around 6pm).

He called WAVE and must have gotten the same retard on the phone that you had because he told him that nothing was going on and that is was on our end. After getting no where with that guy, my husband hung up.

Still pissed off, about 30 minutes later my husband called again, was on hold 20+ minutes, and finally got someone with some brains. Guess a fiber optic cable in Kirkland broke *eyeroll*, but they are sending a tech out on Friday anyway.

I was really looking forward to playing COD5 tonight. Guess that won't happen :(

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21658664 Tue, 30 Dec 2008 22:51:59 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21658249 skyhawk21 : look at this crap.. tday is dec 30th 2008, had a tech come out at 10:30am when i was getting ok speeds 75% of my 10240 cap on cable modem.. now its 6:27pm and since 6pm this is how slow my inet is.. the only thing i have done today internet bandwidth wise is download patches and updates from microsoft.com had to reinstall winxp on new systrem and download software patches legitly from there company sites.. and now sionce 6pm in sequim wa i get this speed..
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call wave up, they said no one in my area is complaining like me of slow speeds. so he has to send a tech out again to check it out at the times it happens like late in evening. this is bullshit there doing something on their own network as well as they dont want to fix issues on there side and blame me. they had the gull to ask me if i bit torrent. I told them hell no i dont mess with that spam/virus/infected crap... but yet now my upload is faster than my download!
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21658249 Tue, 30 Dec 2008 21:31:04 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21657788 ryanwa : does at&t do bonded DSL?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21657788 Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:56:40 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21656490 anon : I'm off of wave, THANK GOODNESS. In this case, the grass is much greener on the other side. Speeds are faster and no cap whatsoever. Oh and did I mention it is half price and I get a static IP? And it's more reliable?

In the end, Wave declined to offer a credit for the throttled speeds to 1.5 and honestly, I just wanted to count my losses so that's OK.

If everyone is in a non fiber area, I suggest you check out bonded DSL. So they bring two lines to your house which doubles your speed as you could previously get (on the uplink too which is cool) So in some areas, you can get upward of 12Mbit]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21656490 Tue, 30 Dec 2008 15:27:51 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21656321 anon : I called Wave up in WA and they told me that they were not throttling my service. After buying 2 new routers and still getting slow service until i did a reset I went down to the local wave office in Rocklin and got a new modum. The lady at the front office gave me a name and number of a local tech to talk to if I was still having problems. Still having problems I called the tech and he told me that after 2 or 3Ms of heavey downloading they will slow me down per day from 10M to 1.5M. I explained that I was having problem last week and the people in Kirkland told me that they were not slowing me down. I explained since I though my router was having problems thinking it was bad,( per the conversation I had with Linksys)I loaded WTR firmware but put in the wrong one and bricked the router, so I bought a new one with the same problem and bought a third with the same problem. He told me that he would fix my router so I went out the the dumpster and as soon as I opened someones bag with diapers in it I quit....
The tech went on to say that this is going to happen to me for the next few months until they get a new speed and usage sensity rate plan out to us. In the meantime there is nothing he could do other that to change my mac address on my router.

I can get att for $45 per month at 10M down, unlimited local and longdistance for $30( did not even have to go to VOIP) and 220 channels, free installations with month to month and asked if she had any rebates and she gave me a $50 coupon. Her name is Carie at cr5232@att.com. They also have an 18M down and 1.5 up for $65 - 10 = $55 per month. Fiber no throttling Go to *&^$* Wavebroadband]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21656321 Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:51:04 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21648089 skyhawk21 : im ont in lacey wa anymore I just havent updated my user account. I now live in Sequim, WA and wave HQ is in port angeles wa i beleive which is 20 miles away!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21648089 Sun, 28 Dec 2008 20:27:04 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21647341 drew : Kind of curious how you went from getting 10Mbit in Sequim to getting 7-8Mbit in Lacey...

Anyway, it's entirely possible/likely that you finally got a neighbor with Wavebroadband.

Before I left for a trip to see the in-laws, I was getting a fabulous 1mbit during the day. We'll see what happens when I get home.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21647341 Sun, 28 Dec 2008 17:50:23 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21647091 anon : skyhawk, just be glad you're not at 1.5

Oh, and my install date is only 2 more days!! So long Wave :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21647091 Sun, 28 Dec 2008 16:50:22 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21647009 skyhawk21 : one more screenshot from the past when I use to get my max speeds 24/7 not stable but at least it was up there this is from my router a while ago before this new crap this month.. the month fo december 2008.. check out the screenshot and look at current RX bandwidth it was 1265.43 kilobytes which equates to 1.18mbps which is what you should get for what your paying for through wave cable.. but now i havent seen anything close to that speed now for two weeks and they want a tech to come out becuz it must be my fault that THEY screwed up there network!!
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21646988 Sun, 28 Dec 2008 16:27:20 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21646958 anon : Since this new crap they are doing wit the bit torrents, two weeks ago right before xmas break I was getting here in Sequim, WA more than my capped modem speed of 10240 down and 1024up speeds 24/7 I could max out my tcp/ip downloads from websites at 1.18-1.20mbps downloads 24/7.. then this new packet sniffing shit kicks in on their routers.. and now i cant get anything faster on download and they say its my issue. i get maybe if im lucky max 8000kbps download which cant even max out at 1.0mbps anymore. although the funny thing upload is the same if not better and hasnt changed.and every tech level 1 person i talk to wants to send out a tech to come up with a pretend problem on my side to say its me, although i know its them when before this issue everyone is having now i had my max speed attainable through the same rg6 cable from the street to my linksys docsis 2 modem and for 45 or so days had my max speed 24/7 now i cant get anywhere near my max capped speed on modem and its probably due to their beta testing of the dam new filters to filter out people who download shit they dont want you downloading on their network... I just want my speed back for normal shit that i download LIKE DRIVERS and patches for LEGAL SHIT... and for my xbox 360!!! screw you wave!! im paying for 10240kbps download and get 6-8000kbps.. that is false advertising]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21646958 Sun, 28 Dec 2008 16:17:54 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21641387 anon : This is so frustrating. For a while there Giganews was completely blocked. Now it's sort of 1/2 working. I can understand if they are having network issues and need to throttle heavy users for a while. But you'd think they'd at least notify us or cut those of us paying $65/month a break.

$65/month is a a lot to pay for Internet and you'd think they'd want to hold on to their customers that are willing to pay a premium. We are probably also the same crowd that are willing to pay a premium for their other services (TV, etc.).

The irony is that if they formally announce a plan to provide 300 gigabytes/month, I will most likely end up downloading more than I do now because I will be thinking....hey I paid for 300 gigabytes, I might as well use it.

Thankfully, they are no longer the only game in town for 8 MB+ Internet service. I'll give them another month or two to figure this out, but it wouldn't take much for me to leave them after 8 years of paying $50-$65/month.

Get with it Wave.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21641387 Sat, 27 Dec 2008 02:35:01 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21634748 anon : Yes, so if you are paying $65 a month, you should get a credit of 30.00 for 2 months.. December & Jan. But it's not automatic, just because some have got it, doesn't mean it's going to be given to you]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21634748 Thu, 25 Dec 2008 03:10:39 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21633196 ryanwa : What do you mean refund? They will refund the difference for our capped speed even if we are on the 10mbit/1.5mbit plan?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21633196 Wed, 24 Dec 2008 17:50:37 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21632842 anon : Oh, and Wave is willing to refund the difference from your package to 1.5Mbit. Since, that's basically what you have right now.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21632842 Wed, 24 Dec 2008 16:26:40 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21632836 anon : So did talk to Wave recently, and in the Sacramento area there is an issue with bandwidth so they implemented a 3GB/day cap for all traffic no matter what it is.

So should be fixed late January. At that point, it will become a 250-300GB month plan and so much per GB after that. Shouldn't be any daily amounts though and shouldn't be throttling P2P. I'd say, if you live in an area where you can get 10Meg Bonded DSL from Surewest, that's the route to take otherwise stick with it?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21632836 Wed, 24 Dec 2008 16:25:58 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21631181 drew : And that's fine, just remember the grass is almost always greener...

I have had my fair share of problems with Wave (been with the same system as @Home was...) and I can say that it always gets better.
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»www.wavebroadband.com/product.php?id=1

If you follow this link you will see that it states "up to" before all the speeds.

This might be something to look over as well

»www.wavebroadband.com/articles/W···-08).pdf]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21630499 Wed, 24 Dec 2008 06:30:51 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21630253 demon5 : uh. for one I've spent THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS of dollars on this service. for two if they can't provide the service they can't LEGALLY charge for this service. there is MULTIPLE speed prices. I pay more money to be able to use more bandwidth. When I get the 1.5mbit 25 dollar plan for 50+ that does NOT make me happy. Wave is Screwing me over and robbing me. False Advertising is saying 10mbit connection for this price. yet you pay that price and get 1.5mbit after 15 minutes of use. then the next 24 hour period is same speed until 11:25pm. so yes after spending FAR above 10 thousand dollars to this service. Yes I do expect to have what I pay for. Not some jack ass being a complete prick to me on the phone.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21630253 Wed, 24 Dec 2008 02:20:53 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21630247 drew : This is an argument that goes around and around, but there's never any agreement on it.

Just remember: when you're downloading 10GB+ in a day, you're saturating a pipe somewhere. When you're on a shared system (DOCSIS), you're causing other users to have bad service. Which makes more sense, throttling the one user who is effectively abusing the resources or having bad experiences for the other 100+ clients? I think the answer is pretty simple from a business standpoint.

All that being said, I'd certainly "march on Washington" (so to speak) if they started capping up here in my area. But to threaten a class action? That's just sad.

And why does it matter if you're one of the first early adopters of an area? Why do you deserve special treatment whereas the guy who signed up last month doesn't?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21630247 Wed, 24 Dec 2008 02:16:57 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21630239 demon5 : I was a customer with starstream. One of first 5 customers to ever have cable internet in this city. Been with this company for over a decade. Yet they could care less about customers it seems. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21630239 Wed, 24 Dec 2008 02:13:44 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21630229 drew : LOL -- Caps are written into TOS at almost all ISPs. There is no "false advertising" unless they explicitly said "There are no bandwidth caps."

And any decent ISP can analyze traffic based on the packets, not what port it's running on.

Try running not just on port 443, but with SSL enabled and see how it handles.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21630229 Wed, 24 Dec 2008 02:08:21 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21630184 anon : He lied. I set my newsreader to connect to port 80 and it still blasted me in 15 minutes.
It's 3GB PERIOD per day. This is False Advertising. Who here would be interested in a class action lawsuit? Btw I'm going to look into that surewest thing sounds good. 30th? what area are you in]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21630184 Wed, 24 Dec 2008 01:39:23 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21629199 ryanwa : Okay, just spend 10 minutes on the phone listening to their horrible christmas music and then I talked to a nice guy.

He said that they are capping people that use bittorrent and the like. Apparently there is an 'alarm' that goes off and alerts their computers and then we are capped. I then asked him what about something like Netflix where you can stream HD movies which are obviously over 3GB - he said that should not be capped and if it's a problem then they will fix it.

I think it's all BS.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21629199 Tue, 23 Dec 2008 21:00:10 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21629105 ryanwa : The question is - are they doing this until mid Jan like another poster stated or is this a permanent thing?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21629105 Tue, 23 Dec 2008 20:43:13 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21627785 drew : Register and you can!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21627785 Tue, 23 Dec 2008 15:51:18 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21627744 anon : Meant glad my completely unthrottled/unmetered Surewest bonded DSL is coming HERE on the 30th. I wish I could go back and edit :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21627744 Tue, 23 Dec 2008 15:42:49 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21627711 anon : demon5, I can't wait to hear the call lol. I've called 15 times or so and I could NEVER get a supervisor & NOC kept denying they are doing anything. But 11:25 comes and it's like magic.. come on. I'm so glad Surewest is coming out there on the 30th to put in Bonded DSL.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21627711 Tue, 23 Dec 2008 15:37:24 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21627706 anon : Vapid,

Who else is doing this? I know comcast has 250GB/month. But 3GB a day is only 90GB a month.... and sometimes I need to get 8-10GB a day but then wont really use my connection for a couple days.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21627706 Tue, 23 Dec 2008 15:35:39 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21625479 anon : Do you really think Starstream would miss out on this as well? When all the ISPs are doing the same thing why be left behind?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21625479 Tue, 23 Dec 2008 08:37:17 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21625081 anon : I have a recorded call to a tech support agent I will be posting up later. Just spent over an hour on the phone. Network Operation Center apparently confirmed that they do throttle once at 3GB download for day. and btw my line speed shot back up at 11:25pm. The guy in the noc which as tier1 tech stated was the head person in charge there flat out said no they will not remove the throttle because they plan to add a pay for bandwidth plan. So I guess they will get like phone company and charge per kilobyte of bandwidth and if I put that plan on I would end up with a thousand dollar plus bill. God I wish starstream never sold to wave. By the way I was one of the first 5 cable modem subscribers in this area. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21625081 Tue, 23 Dec 2008 02:55:25 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21624977 anon : This confirms what is happening to me. I am also in Rocklin here. been going on for weeks now and wave says they can send a tech out to my house in a couple weeks to check my stuff here. I have full gigabit on my lan going between systems. Yet at about the same time as you people are saying bandwidth wise it suddenly drops to 1.5mbit. I pay the extra money for 10mbit. Have been with starstream for over a decade. Now they do this crap to my connection and I'm currently looking for a new provider. I pay nearly 200 a month to wave. Can EASILY change my tv service and exploring options on internet]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21624977 Tue, 23 Dec 2008 01:52:16 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21619373 anon : That's a good idea ryanwa. I am going to call wave tomorrow and lower my account down to 1.5Mbps. Why am I paying 65 if I am only getting 1.5? Might as well save my cash]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21619373 Mon, 22 Dec 2008 01:00:14 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21616692 ryanwa : Perhaps if we get enough people to take their package down to almost the bare minimum then Wave will rethink this cap. I know four people, me being number five that are prepared to do this.

IF they are going to do a temporary cap, it should be during selected hours such as 7am-9pm or something. Then after that everyone should get their full speed.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21616692 Sun, 21 Dec 2008 13:18:17 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21611342 anon : madcowusa.. rubbin it in eh? lol]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21611342 Sat, 20 Dec 2008 03:50:51 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21610345 madcowusa : I had to test this alleged 3GB cap thingy.

Here's a screen at 6 gigs into a 7 gig download at full speed at primetime during a snow event with the neighborhood bunkered down in front of their PCs.

No cappage here in Port Orchard, WA. Nor have I ever seen a cap. I pray Wave doesn't go that route or I'll take my plan down to bare bones, or quit altogether.
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Now I can't even watch normal SD movies.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21609528 Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:07:57 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21609365 anon : ryanwa, can you even make it through one netflix HD streaming video? You'll probably get put in bandwidth jail for doing that LOL]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21609365 Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:38:14 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21609259 ryanwa : I agree. Who wants to spend that type of money on a connection is you can't even use it to its full potential.

The reason some of us have the top package is because we need the constant speed. Being capped two hours into internet use it not right.

I have netflix and I stream my movies from their site - my capped connection is not even close to being sufficient for that.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21609259 Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:18:11 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21609193 anon : ssctv, I want to know why Wave lies to their customers. I am waiting for 4-5 callbacks, and one was supposed to be from a manager. They keep saying it's not their issue and supervisors continue to refuse to talk to me. But I'm a Senior Network Engineer and I've been in the internet service industry for over a decade. I know traffic shaping when I see it.

I probably wouldn't have been so angry if they just said, yes we are shaping your connection because our bandwidth is saturated. Give us until January and everything will be restored.

But I believe Wave is only buying 10Mbps of additional backbone so I'm not sure that is going to help much.

luluddd, the reason you easy news is slow is because usenet can eat a lot bandwidth very quickly. With their backbone issues, they need to throttle usenet entirely or have a 3Gig daily limit. Yes, you are paying a lot, and No it isn't worth it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21609193 Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:06:14 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21607995 ssctv : Ryanwa,

Please PM me more information on what you are experiencing so I can take a look.

Thanks]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21607995 Fri, 19 Dec 2008 14:14:40 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21607935 ssctv : LULUDDD,

Please IM me the CMAC number from your cable modem and i'll take a look.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21607935 Fri, 19 Dec 2008 14:03:44 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21607772 anon : I'm getting throttled too and I'm in the Auburn area. This is stupid and yet I'm paying $65 a month.

Get it together Wave.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21607772 Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:30:27 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21607745 anon : So...ssctv...you sound like a Wave rep. (I am in Rocklin) Should I bother to have a repair person come out to check my line and connection info or should I just wait until mid January if the additional backbone capacity will bring the speed back to what I am paying for ?

Also, if Wave is indeed having growth issues...why would a download from Microsoft move along at 500K while at the same time one form Easy News is moving at 75K. I know its not EN's servers cause they were plenty fast a few weeks ago.

Thanks for the help

LULUDDD]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21607745 Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:26:40 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21607181 ssctv : We are in the process of adding additional backbone capacity slated for the first few weeks of January per our circuit provider. We have grown faster than we expected on our high speed data product in the Sacramento region. Please hang tight as we try to expedite our circuit provider to add capacity expansion for the area.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21607181 Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:45:46 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21605328 anon : Also, I forgot to point out.. the 3GB is for ALL traffic to any host, not just usenet. Includes HTTP, FTP, SSH, etc.

Wave is currently trying to roll out 16Mbps within 2 months to their markets. And their solution isn't to add more backbone bandwidth, but to just throttle people.

Also confirmed by Wave, throttling isn't turned on in all markets yet, so enjoy it while it lasts. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21605328 Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:36:40 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21605291 anon : I have a bit of an update. My friend and I who is also on Wave and determined that as of right now, there is a flat 3GB transfer limit per day. (since last Friday)

Once you hit that limit they jail you and roll what you paid for (Say 10Mbit) back to 1.5Mbps. It will stay that way until 11:25 PST, which is when it will reset.

Based upon what others have said here, this seems to be only occurring in the Auburn/Rocklin market and I think the primary reason the lack of bandwidth.. they say nothing is wrong with their side or they are not limiting but... yes they are.

They are also doing some hostname throttling to news servers. If it slows down, try a different new server (usually they have a mirror) or maybe even a different port.

Good luck! I'm bailing to Surewest.. tired of these jokers. 3Gb is INSANE. you can hit that in 20-25 min on a solid 10Mbps line and then you're screwed for a day]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21605291 Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:27:16 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21602597 anon : I am having the exact same problem with Easynews. I was getting 500-700 KB/Sec in Firefox consistently..now its down to 40-75KB...but only on Easynews....

I tried to download a large file from Microsoft and a file from Easynews...the Microsoft file came in at 500 KB and the easynews file at 25KB....

So do you guys think its a hard cap on the amount, on the specific site or a time limit.

Wave is coming out on Monday to test the line...but I think I am just out of luck...they will never admit to it....

Wave is my only internet option...arghhhhh......]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21602597 Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:48:34 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21588831 drew : Their infastructure hasn't been upgraded since the @Home days around here.

Don't ask for 20/5 when they can barely eek out 10/1.5]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21588831 Tue, 16 Dec 2008 02:59:03 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21588716 madcowusa : Like drew, I haven't noticed any throttling using paid-for Usenet over the years. I'm an extreme user too and don't want to say how much I download. Well okay, okay...about 175gigs/months is average and some months north of 250gigs. I've had single days where I've grabbed 40gigs. Hard drive space is the limiting factor, even using 1TB Seagates. :) Never had too much of an issue and if I ever I did, I would cancel service.

I don't torrent a whole bunch anymore, but pay little attention when I do and usually leave uploads running for days upon days (self throttled to say 30KB/s) to give back to others and maintain a healthy ratio. I'll try and pay attention next time I grab a big file from some speedy Swedish seeders.

Where's the freaking speed increases Wave??? Hasn't it been like 2 FRIGGIN' YEARS since we had a bump? Turn up the dial and give us some love. 20/5 plan...make it so.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21588716 Tue, 16 Dec 2008 01:45:43 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21579102 anon : An update here: offical word is YES there is throttling on certain kinds of traffic after you hit 3GB. And you will be kicked down to 256K-1.5K range for 24 hrs, which then it will reset.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21579102 Sun, 14 Dec 2008 03:34:54 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21574800 anon : Just read in their agreement now, under section 7

»www.wavebroadband.com/img/subagree.pdf

They are limiting now. And with multiple reports this is confirmed.. I'm switching to Surewest tomorrow]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21574800 Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:11:10 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21574772 anon : Right now I am being throttled to 1000Kbit. It was full speed at 10Mbit and shut down to 1000Kbit in an instant. Multiple speed tests have shown this to be EXACTLY 1000 give or take 3kbit. eg. 1003Kbit, 998 kbit (tested to multiple sources and multiple times)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21574772 Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:59:01 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21574440 drew : I'm doubting that very seriously.

I'm a usenet guy and download plenty.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21574440 Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:45:03 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21574371 anon : I haven't noticed any differences in torrents but I can tell you that leeching off of news was throttled to 44.5 (which is very close to your 50k). which leads me to believe that it's the same throttling.

I changed clients and changed providers, giganews to thundernews and it didn't change. It was that point where I got suspicious. And no it wasn't my connection or firewall. As soon as I changed the port (from the standard NEWS port) to port 80, it shot up to 9500Kbit sec in an instant. So they are throttling...

My guess is that they throttle news and torrents after you transfer a certain amount. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21574371 Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:25:49 EDT Re: WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21521262 drew : There's always a possibility of a routing problem, but it would be hard to tell.

I'm a WoW player and have been downloading a lot of fairly large patches recently and have not noticed a capped speed. I should mention the patching is through BT.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21521262 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 14:23:40 EDT WaveBroadband Torrent Throttling??!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21520974 anon : Wave did you guys start throttling torrents?

Why is my 10meg connection that I used for over a year, suddenly droped to a 50kb connection any time I open a torrent or try to download anything bit torrent related.

Why am I getting major speed spikes?

No matter how much torrents i open i am only able to get to about 50kb sec, and when I do a speedtest.net with even one torrent open, I only get 2 megs on my 10 meg connection...

As soon as I turn it off every thing is good..

Called wave tech support, got the canned answer.. " We dont limit our download speed?"

CAN some one from WAVE tell me something?

Whats going on...

Everything was so good for a year what happend?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21520974 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 13:22:31 EDT