| Same reason the DMV gets away with some questions... they get away with it for the same reason the DMV in CA can have this question on the test:
You can never drive faster than:
A) 55MPH
B) The posted speed limit
C) Then is safe
D) Some other inane answer...
According to the DMV it is "Than is safe"...BUT, ultimately it depends on how you frame your logic...in theory B&C are the same answer because the posted speed limit is supposed to be the MAXIMUM safe speed we are allowed to drive. But, the DMV chooses to look at it the other way around using the "than is safe" as the answer. For many it's a chicken or egg question and answer.
I suspect the same folks word the ads for the ISP's...intentionally worded to imply the widest possible interpretation and limits. Yet, later the specifics are in there...I simply do not see how they can consider a cap of any sort reasonable as cable & DSL speeds are increasing to scary fast speeds every day now.
But these things are why I have stuck by smaller independent ISP for both DSL and MBB...no caps, no limits. I do however use my MBB with a bit of care so they don't begin to get static from the actual provider. But I have my original paperwork for both services which indeed state unlimited use just don't be stupid and serve up (upload) 1TB of data every month. That is not vague at all.
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| said by grumpy3b:You can never drive faster than: A) 55MPH B) The posted speed limit C) Then is safe D) Some other inane answer... in theory B&C are the same answer because the posted speed limit is supposed to be the MAXIMUM safe speed we are allowed to drive. Unfortunately, there will always be people who say "I was driving the posted limit, it shouldn't matter if the street was congested."
In my early 20s I got a few traffic tickets. Enough that I had to go to court instead of pay by mail. I remember there was some guy charged with driving 90 in a 40 mph zone (city street). The judge asked how he pled. He said "not guilty." The judge was astonished. He took a different tone, asking why this kid felt he was not guilty. The kid said "the speed limit wasn't posted." The judge asked the kid if he had his license with him. The kid said "yes." To which the judge ordered a deputy to seize it. The whole room burst into laughter.
I think the cap issue is similar. Most people interpret "unlimited" in terms of what's average for the average person. Not sharing files 24x7, running servers, etc.
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said by grumpy3b:You can never drive faster than: A) 55MPH B) The posted speed limit C) Then is safe D) Some other inane answer... E) the speed of light = 299 792 458 m / s   
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said by amigo_boy:Most people interpret "unlimited" in terms of what's average for the average person. No, most people interpret "average" in terms of what's average for the population in question, or in terms of the usage divided by the entire population.
Unlimited already is pretty well defined, and although it has more than one definition, the word "average" doesn't appear anywhere.
# A term to describe an action not defined within narrowed limits.
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# having no limits in range or scope; "to start with a theory of unlimited freedom is to end up with unlimited despotism"- Philip Rahv; "the ...
# outright: without reservation or exception
# inexhaustible: that cannot be entirely consumed or used up; "an inexhaustible supply of coal"
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# In the graphic arts, the term used to describe an edition with no set quantity or restriction on quantity for printing.
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# limitless or without bounds; unrestricted
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themonkeyz is correct as most of us know. The internet is communication between machines. That is simply how it works. There is no way to browse the internet (or do anything else on the internet) without connecting your machine to another machine.
What they are doing (in most cases) and have been doing for some time now, is selling you one thing and delivering a completely different product because they can get away with it because "average joe" (whoever that is) doesn't use everything he pays for and won't know he is being shortchanged.
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Sure. And the sign that says "Speed Limit: 45" is well defined too. It's legal to drive 45. Nowhere in there does it say "unless it's pouring ran, or someone's jaywalking, or a car is stalled in the road."
If I'm not sharing files and running servers, "unlimited" looks like unlimited. If I'm "average" then that's who the term is written for.
But, there will always be those who don't fall within the average population. That's why the DMV has to ask what the legal limit is (posted, or based upon conditions).
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| your point holds no water, if the speed limit sign said unlimited, then yes, your point would hold water, but it doesn't. Moot as it is, your analogy is wrong. |
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your point holds no water, if the speed limit sign said unlimited, then yes, your point would hold water, but it doesn't. Moot as it is, your analogy is wrong. Plus I subscribe to movie downloads from both Amazon, AppleTV and Netflix, I'm an average user that uses a LOT of bandwidth. |
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Unlimited = no limits. |
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said by ANON101Bseven :
your point holds no water, if the speed limit sign said unlimited, then yes, your point would hold water, but it doesn't.
It's relative. The signage says there is a limit, but it's not the actual limit.
Your complaint is like the kid who did 90 on the 40 mph surface street. He claimed it wasn't posted. I.e., unlimited.
Same concept.
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Unlimited:
1. Having no restrictions or controls: an unlimited travel ticket.
2. Having or seeming to have no boundaries; infinite: an unlimited horizon.
3. Without qualification or exception; absolute: unlimited self-confidence.
Karl says it very succinctly. |
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said by funchords:said by grumpy3b:You can never drive faster than: A) 55MPH B) The posted speed limit C) Then is safe D) Some other inane answer... E) the speed of light = 299 792 458 m / s
 HAHAHAHA...I stand corrected!!
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said by amigo_boy:said by ANON101Bseven :
your point holds no water, if the speed limit sign said unlimited, then yes, your point would hold water, but it doesn't.
It's relative. The signage says there is a limit, but it's not the actual limit. Your complaint is like the kid who did 90 on the 40 mph surface street. He claimed it wasn't posted. I.e., unlimited. Same concept. Mark In both cases there are law, rules, and regulations attached to your drivers license. In the case of the kid who claimed unlimited because it wasn't posted, guess he's never see a "Citywide Speed Limit is 35 unless otherwise posted" sign.
Besides, if it was all spelled out on the sign, you wouldn't have room left for the speed limit itself, much less time to read it. |
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said by amigo_boy:Unfortunately, there will always be people who say "I was driving the posted limit, it shouldn't matter if the street was congested." That is my point...by definition the fastest one is allowed to drive at any given time under optimal conditions is the posted limit...by saying the answer is "than is safe" changes the definition of the speed limit...and yes the answer can be interpreted in favor of either answer...but under no conditions can one exceed the posted speed limit. Which to me indicates that is the 'correct' answer...
Anyway, my point was these sorts of vagaries are everywhere and open to interpretation...I was also being sarcastic that these companies are no better than the DMV...
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said by DustySilicon:Unlimited: 1. Having no restrictions or controls: an unlimited travel ticket. 2. Having or seeming to have no boundaries; infinite: an unlimited horizon. 3. Without qualification or exception; absolute: unlimited self-confidence. Karl says it very succinctly. I believe even those arguing a literal interpretation of "unlimited" would say that someone consuming 400 gig in a month would be ridiculous to claim "but it said 'unlimited.'"
That's why I believe the term is aimed at what the average person considers to be reasonable, and would experience. Those complaining are the outliers. There always will be outliers. Just like those who expect to get a dial tone even when the entire country picks up their handset at the same time.
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| said by Karl Bode:Hi again, it's me. Unlimited = no limits. And 45 mph means 45 mph.
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Hang on a second. Doesn't this limit only apply to things with mass? |
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said by Karl Bode:You're getting there! You're not speaking in recognizable English I'm just pointing out that, like speed limits, there is the literal interpretation and the commonly understood interpretation. It is my belief that "unlimited," to most people, means they'll never reach a limit based upon them being part of an average group with average usage patterns.
Just like 45mph means that's the limit under normal conditions.
I agree that it would shut some people up if they just printed an asterisk with footnote explaining the cap. But, I just don't think those people are anywhere near a small minority. So, there's no reason to.
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