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Re: Same reason the DMV gets away with some questions... Unlimited:
1. Having no restrictions or controls: an unlimited travel ticket.
2. Having or seeming to have no boundaries; infinite: an unlimited horizon.
3. Without qualification or exception; absolute: unlimited self-confidence.
Karl says it very succinctly. |
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| said by DustySilicon:Unlimited: 1. Having no restrictions or controls: an unlimited travel ticket. 2. Having or seeming to have no boundaries; infinite: an unlimited horizon. 3. Without qualification or exception; absolute: unlimited self-confidence. Karl says it very succinctly. I believe even those arguing a literal interpretation of "unlimited" would say that someone consuming 400 gig in a month would be ridiculous to claim "but it said 'unlimited.'"
That's why I believe the term is aimed at what the average person considers to be reasonable, and would experience. Those complaining are the outliers. There always will be outliers. Just like those who expect to get a dial tone even when the entire country picks up their handset at the same time.
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| said by Karl Bode:Hi again, it's me. Unlimited = no limits. And 45 mph means 45 mph.
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| said by Karl Bode:You're getting there! You're not speaking in recognizable English I'm just pointing out that, like speed limits, there is the literal interpretation and the commonly understood interpretation. It is my belief that "unlimited," to most people, means they'll never reach a limit based upon them being part of an average group with average usage patterns.
Just like 45mph means that's the limit under normal conditions.
I agree that it would shut some people up if they just printed an asterisk with footnote explaining the cap. But, I just don't think those people are anywhere near a small minority. So, there's no reason to.
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said by amigo_boy:I believe even those arguing a literal interpretation of "unlimited" would say that someone consuming 400 gig in a month would be ridiculous to claim "but it said 'unlimited.'" That's why I believe the term is aimed at what the average person considers to be reasonable, and would experience. Those complaining are the outliers. There always will be outliers. Just like those who expect to get a dial tone even when the entire country picks up their handset at the same time. Mark 1998 - I believe even those arguing a literal interpretation of "unlimited" would say that someone consuming FOUR gig in a month would be ridiculous to claim "but it said 'unlimited.'" |
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said by amigo_boy:said by Karl Bode:You're getting there! You're not speaking in recognizable English I'm just pointing out that, like speed limits, there is the literal interpretation and the commonly understood interpretation. It is my belief that "unlimited," to most people, means they'll never reach a limit based upon them being part of an average group with average usage patterns. Just like 45mph means that's the limit under normal conditions. I agree that it would shut some people up if they just printed an asterisk with footnote explaining the cap. But, I just don't think those people are anywhere near a small minority. So, there's no reason to. Mark Around here, speed limit signs say "Conditions Permitting". It still is not a good analogy. Also, we have driver ed classes and I think most people know how to read a speed limit sign. If Comcast starts holding classes on what "unlimited" really means, and how it means "average", then maybe you have an analogy.
However, you (or they) can't just change the definition of a word to make a point. The only meaning to "unlimited" is "no limits". |
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| said by MrSpock29:... and I think most people know how to read a speed limit sign. That's my point. Most people know what "unlimited" means *within the context of their own use.* Just like speed limits imply "conditions apply," I believe providers use "unlimited" in the same sense. I mean, as far as I'm concerned, I get unlimited use every month. Just like I feel no need to test whether I can really drive 45 when the street is congested with rush-hour traffic, I see no reason to test how much broadband I can use without reaching a limit. I never give it a second thought in either case.
said by MrSpock29:If Comcast starts holding classes on what "unlimited" really means, and how it means "average", They don't have to. The majority knows what it means. Or, better said, they never have a reason to question what it means because they are average.
The problem is that a minority of outliers want their predicament explained to those who don't have a predicament. It's just kvetching.
I think it would be more productive for DSLR to organize a "truth in labeling" movement. Lobby Congress to pass the equivalent of nutrition labeling for broadband. Standardized measurements and format of reporting so consumers can make better choices.
But instead, it's just how bad providers are, how bad government is, how everyone else should be unhappy like a few DSLR activists are.
There's nothing constructive in that.
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Stepford, CA | said by amigo_boy:I think it would be more productive for DSLR to organize a "truth in labeling" movement. Lobby Congress to pass the equivalent of nutrition labeling for broadband. Standardized measurements and format of reporting so consumers can make better choices. But instead, it's just how bad providers are, how bad government is, how everyone else should be unhappy like a few DSLR activists are. There's nothing constructive in that. Mark Hey, it looks like you have no clue that unlimited = no limit and you're otherwise losing your argument. Isn't it time you trotted out the good ol' standby of yours that you have used (by my count) about 100 times or so, that magical section of the U.S. code that you interpret to mean that the federal government can spy on citizens without oversight or worrying about breaking any laws. That always seems to shut people up who disagree with you and you just go on imagining that it's because you're right. 
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He did, yes, but you did not. "Unlimted" != "unlimtited self-confidence".
"Unlimited" is an adjective, and by itself really isn't a useful word.
"Unlimited Internet", OTOH, is a useful combination, and can be assumed to imply that there are no limits to what you can get from the Internet.
"Unlimited access", is still another useful combination; but has to be taken in the context of "access to what".
You can't compose a sentence with just an adjective: What does "Mary hit the unlimited" mean?
However, the moment you apply an adjective to a noun, such as "unlimited Internet", you actually convey some meaning. |
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I'm all for this Idea.
Broadband must be marketed as the MAXIMUM DATA PER MONTH at the MOST LIMITED protocol. Easy to compare and hard to throttle.
Problem solved  |
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Wakulla, FL | reply to NormanS
Unless the adjective is also the noun... I had a doofy cousin who used to call himself the "unlimited".
Basically I'm saying that the lesson in language is pointless. Unlimited access means just that, unlimited access...there is no context. Access to anything, everything, all you can consume, without any hindrance. |
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