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reply to fiberguy

Uhm...you are REWRITING HISTORY!

You suck, please go die in a fire.

reply to fiberguy
If I were a customer of DSLExtreme or Sonic and AT&T did something that affected my DSL service and the only solution is to dump my indie ISP in favor of AT&T, I would be pissed! Wouldn't you? I would be doubly pissed if my indie ISP didn't have usage caps and AT&T did.

Quite frankly, fiberguy, I've read a number of your posts on these boards and IMO, I believe you ARE a shill for big business. Big businesses like Comcast, AT&T, Qwest, etc are ruining the internet with their unpopular and anti-competitive usage caps. You talk about moving into the 21st century but usage caps are sending us back to the 20th century.

concast maybe but not qwest. qwest doesnt have usage cap or if they do i have to see one who go over the limit.

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reply to myosh
I think you're an idiot. Becuase my opinion differs than yours, I'm a shill. I think personally you're a 5 year old with no life.

I think you're a shill for the 3rd party ISP... since you take their side, you MUST be, right? See how stupid that sounds?

My opinion is what it is.. get over it. The moment you can grow up, participate in a discussion with out bringing in your goofy drug induced conspiracy theory, maybe this site will actually be worth what it used to be - that is before romper room came to play.

In case you haven't noticed.. reality is this and it's simply.. these "big bad" ISP operators BUILT their damn networks and if you don't like it, this is a free country where you are most certainly welcome to dump your own money into one.. and I hope you do.. I'd love to see your upopian views of the network come into play.. wait, they are.. socialism is coming to America.. Enjoy it!

The bottom line is if you don't like it, who are you or anyone to tell those who own it WHAT to do with it?

I personally don't like what some of the players are doing either, but guess what.. it's called competition and this is what you get out of it! .. you get these bent rules.. bottom line is that the consumer is 50% of the problem and no one is wiling to stand up to the plate and take credit.

Next time you call in to a company threatening to cancel your service, knowing damn well you're not, just remember all these stupid rules that come to play with caps and other BS surcharges and fees.

It's not all about the big evil companies.. it's called "the market place" and consumers are part OF it.

reply to digitalfreak
When did you become "everyone"... or are you just representing the whiners club?

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reply to qworster
Pole capacity is not filled to capacity, for one. Second, I'm talking about CABLE ISPs who built their own networks. DSL by the telephone was not subsidized by tax payer money. You DO know that the telephone companies DO make profits don't you? They DO have money to run their own installs. The tax payer money is used to build out the lines - period.

You're sitting here putting words in my mouth..

and GOD FUCKING DAMN IT! I do NOT shill for the companies - learn to read! You are like anyone else here is is fair weathered and uses the least path of resistance when it comes to an argument. I have slammed both cable and phone here and yes, I will admit, I slam phone more - becuase they deserve it as you said in your own post! They raped this country for years for a utility. Cable, if they want to, is a luxury and if they want to run themselves into the poor house are more than welcome to. Television remains an option in this country outside of OTA programming.

I agree with you when it comes to phone companies not pulling their weight. They are like bad unions in this country that look to the government for survival and life lines. Cable came into play and saw an opportunity to extend a second line of service to the consumer which, today, is forcing the hand of telephone to compete for once. And, when the chips are down, they run to the government for more money and rules that cap cable so they can't do exactly what competition is supposed to do.

Telephone deserved to be slapped hard back in the 80's and unfortunately it all amounted to nothing more than a soccer mom's time out today. Phone is king for inventing fees and surcharges. What forced the telephone company, a tax payer subsidized utility, to stop renting telephones was the government and it was the best move that ever happened.

People need to stop thinking that cable and telephone are the same - they are not! Cable was built on private money while telephone was built on partial government money. One is a utility, the other is a luxury.

There is more room on poles to build more services.. and you also have to remember, WHO owns the pole? Most are owned by power, some by phone, and a few owned by cable. There are ares that I know that have 1 power, 1 phone, and three cable services. You CAN build services closer than they are today. The issue is that there is not enough consumer demand to have that many services which allow for more than what we have out there to sustain a viable business model. There are cities out there with over-builders and they are certainly not rolling int he dough. Even Utopia isn't doing too well.

No where in my post did I call for anyone to bring all that crap back. What I remotely said, that would trigger what you claimed, was that we don't have a right to tell the private companies what to do with their businesses.. if you want to do it better, drop your own money and do it right. In a free and open market, that's the rule. You're trying to mix socialism and capitalism together and it won't work. Government is supposed to set a basic set of rules (regulation) and leave it be. The free market place will decide. Where the failure has been is TOO much government involvement. When a free market company comes in and decides the rules don't fit their needs, THEY want them changed so they buy their changes from their paid pieces. Its government which is corrupt and making the problem here. And yes, PEOPLE.. WE THE PEOPLE are half the market place and responsible for 50% of the issues in the free market place today.

reply to myosh
I'm calling you the 5 year old, or did you not see that?

Second, I don't agree with caps.. I never have. BUT, I DO agree with overages if reasonable. If you don't want to pay overage charges, don't go over. However, I support ANY ISP in placing an overage charge at a certain level to protect their business model and sustainability. OTHERWISE, what you wind up with is a telephone and possibly cable companies that can't compete with what often amounts to piracy and those businesses that chose to operate as leaches on the back of their COMPETITION.

Yes, there HAS to be protection in place for the competitive market place or you'll have cable and phone spending billions to run networks while companies like netflix, amazon, iTunes, etc. spend a very small percentage and take no risks to the greater system to push their product an make a buck at the same time.

Again, it's your socialist agenda at play here that is clouding reason.