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Topic 'Re: I like this' in forum '' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-like-this-21203589 en Fri, 10 Feb 2012 04:14:51 EDT Fri, 10 Feb 2012 04:14:51 EDT Re: I like this http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-like-this-21612184 said by NormanS:

In the case that my ISP cut off my Internet over the allegation of committing an illegal act, I'd have my attorney in touch with their legal department: Assuming that I actually have "clean hands".
Assuming your ISP is also clean...
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A private organization alleging something to another private organization about my online behavior, is absurd.
It is not. It is the basis for spam complaints, and other abuse complaint; and the reason why Abuse Departments exist.

If there is anything illegal going on, the ***a should get a subpoena for my usage records, and file suit with me.

Indeed. If there is an allegation of illegal activity, the matter should be brought to the attention of legal authorities.

In the case that my ISP cut off my Internet over the allegation of committing an illegal act, I'd have my attorney in touch with their legal department: Assuming that I actually have "clean hands".
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said by NormanS:

I used to run the night shift of a convenience store. We provided a "service". Does that mean I did not have the right to eject a certain person? Acting very suspicious in the vicinity of my liquor display.

Been there, done that.
As have I. However, I had the support of my "suits" in my case.
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If you suspected or caught me doing something to harm your store - yes.

Your analogy is so flawed, it's laughable.
It is not an "analogy", it is a fact of law. And I did order a suspicious fellow out of my store. (Twice, actually; once under the circumstances I outlined, and once for making threats to a women who came onto the premises in a distraught state. Had to call 9-1-1 in the last case).

If you saw me buying a screw driver, rope and tape, and thought I was going to go rob someone - absolutely not.

If I had solid reason to believe that selling you certain merchandise would facilitate a crime, I certainly could refuse to make the sale. I have refused to sell certain merchandise to certain individuals; and not been reprimanded for it.

YOU ARE NOT THE POLICE.

So what. Do an Internet search on "citizen's arrest".
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I used to run the night shift of a convenience store. We provided a "service". Does that mean I did not have the right to eject a certain person? Acting very suspicious in the vicinity of my liquor display.Been there, done that.

Sad thing is, if you do throw someone out, they call Corporate and complain (and lie their asses off) and you find out OH, you didn't have the right to do jack squat :mad:

You're responsible for the inventory loss, but you're also not allowed to "inconvenience" a thief. Gotta love suits.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-like-this-21611146 Sat, 20 Dec 2008 01:52:19 EDT Re: I like this http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-like-this-21217684
It's always at least a civil matter (a tort). 17 U.S.C. 501(b) details
the mechanisms by which an owner of a copyright may file a civil suit,
and 28 U.S.C. 1338 expressly refers to civil actions arising under the
copyright act.

However, under certain circumstances, it may also be a federal crime. A
copyright infringement is subject to criminal prosecution if infringement
is willful and for purposes of commercial advantage or private financial
gain. 17 U.S.C. 506(a). If the offense consists of the reproduction or
distribution, during any 180-day period, of 10 or more copies having a
retail value of more than $2,500, the offense is a felony; otherwise, the
offense is a misdemeanor. 18 U.S.C. 2319.

www.stason.org
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A private organization alleging something to another private organization about my online behavior, is absurd.

If there is anything illegal going on, the ***a should get a subpoena for my usage records, and file suit with me.

The way I see it, COX doesn't like
1) hassle
2) bandwidth usage

It is so much easier to send a couple letters, and flip a switch.
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Your analogy is so flawed, it's laughable.

If you saw me buying a screw driver, rope and tape, and thought I was going to go rob someone - absolutely not.

YOU ARE NOT THE POLICE.
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Since when is copyright infringement a crime?
Since the Congress made it so and when the President signed the bill.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-like-this-21210141 Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:06:42 EDT Re: I like this http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-like-this-21210128 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-like-this-21210128 Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:04:46 EDT Re: I like this http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-like-this-21209419 --
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The thing is, don't ignore the letter; especially if the complaint has incorrect details.
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Norman
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They do not have the right to police themselves. They provide a service they are not police.
I used to run the night shift of a convenience store. We provided a "service". Does that mean I did not have the right to eject a certain person? Acting very suspicious in the vicinity of my liquor display.
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Actually if you look at your post, you have proved my point.

Again, in most cases you will not be subject to arrest for disorderly conduct as you have broken no law and have simply gone against the rules of the bus/train. Only if you refuse to disembark from the bus/train are you then subject to disorderly conduct, as THAT is an offence.

This is my point.

You eat on the bus, and someone complains (The copyright holder) to the conductor.

The conductor complies with the rules, asks you to stop eating, and calls the police when you become disorderly (Passing along the DMCA request)

The police arrive and cite you for disorderly conduct (The copyright holder presents evidence and sues you in civil court)

That is why this is a major issue, by COX acton on its own initiative, it cuts out the legal protections that were enacted because DMCA complaints in and of themselves do NOT carry any legal weight as evidence of wrongdoing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-like-this-21205397 Thu, 02 Oct 2008 16:30:01 EDT Re: I like this http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-like-this-21205313 said by hottboiinnc:

if you weren't encouraging illegal behavior you would be doing the same thing as COX. you'd be shutting these people off. Instead you keep giving them service and allow them to do it.
I sincerely hope that you are being sarcastic with that comment.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-like-this-21205313 Thu, 02 Oct 2008 16:14:14 EDT Re: I like this http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-like-this-21205282
Suppose I had uploaded a music file entitled "Oops Brittney.mp3" to a P2P network. Now let's suppose that this file wasn't the Brittney Spears song "Oops, I did it again!", but audio of me talking about the downfall of popular music. (In other words, something I own the rights to.) Now Brittney's record label might that file, assume it's a copyrighted song, and send my provider a DMCA notice. Would that notice count as "Strike 1" even though there's no validity to it? If that audio was Part 1 of a 5 part series, could the record label send in 5 separate DMCA notices and knock me offline?
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I don't want real laws being established just to prevent pseudo-laws. The real problem is the DMCA provisions that make Cox think it needs to take these steps. Less laws, not more, please.
That is why the attempt to make this a law, if such a law is necessary (Which I do not believe that it is), should be done.

In my opinion the laws that protect copyright in the US are sufficient, and excess penalties are not necessary. Nor are they compatable with the concept of copyright in the first place.

Copyright is a privledge that we the people, grant to the authors of creative works. It is not some default state that creative content innately exists in without it being granted by the public. These laws should be aimed at encouraging new creative works, and still allowing deriviative creative works to be inspired. A major issue here is that people have forgotten that copyright is a temporary limitation that we place on ourselves.

A pseudo-law enforced by a corporation is anaethma to the concepts of the Constitution of the United States.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-like-this-21205203 Thu, 02 Oct 2008 15:55:57 EDT Re: I like this http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-like-this-21205085 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-like-this-21205085 Thu, 02 Oct 2008 15:36:24 EDT Re: I like this http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-like-this-21204935
Very true. Cox also has every right to do what they are doing. If you don't like their policy then take your business else where. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-like-this-21204935 Thu, 02 Oct 2008 15:13:39 EDT Re: I like this http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-like-this-21204923 said by ThrowDemsOut:

Franchises became non-exclusive by law years ago. So no cable company is protected from competition.
Even if Franchises are no longer exclusive, there is the problem that the cost of wiring an area that already has coverage makes the attempt not cost effective. The old company has the benefit of their having wired the area when they were exclusive and thus has a major advantage. The only possible solution is to make the "Last Mile" a separate company who sells access to ANY Cable Company who wants to service the area.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-like-this-21204923 Thu, 02 Oct 2008 15:11:27 EDT Re: I like this http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-like-this-21204854 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-like-this-21204854 Thu, 02 Oct 2008 14:57:45 EDT Re: I like this http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-like-this-21204805 said by thevorpal:

said by wifi4milez:

said by thevorpal:

Because these companies can effectively enact policies that go beyond what is required by legislation in an effort to serve as a policing body, they are attempting to expand their jurisdiction in a manner that is hostile to the People of that community.

Thats a bad example. Look at another way, millions of people ride buses/trains everyday. Almost every bus/train has rules that seek to reduce rowdy behavior. Customers that are really loud and cause problems for other riders will be kicked off the bus/train. There is certainly no law against being rowdy, however the rider agrees to abide by certain rules when he/she gets on the bus/train. The situation at hand is no different, by using their (Cox) service you agree to abide by their rules.

It is a perfectly valid example because it is a description of the actual situation. You lose the context when you try to come up with automobile analogies.

And to top it off, your analogy explicitly fails.

There is certainly no law against being rowdy

There most certainly are such laws. »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disorderly_conduct
Another bad example on your behalf. You can/will get kicked off a bus/train for non-arrestable offences. For instance, in many cities eating and drinking on a bus will get you kicked off. That is certainly not disorderly conduct, and you will not be charged with anything; just asked to leave. The same applies to rowdy behavior. If what you are doing on the bus/train is interfering with the other passengers (playing music or talking loudly), you will be asked to leave. Again, in most cases you will not be subject to arrest for disorderly conduct as you have broken no law and have simply gone against the rules of the bus/train. Only if you refuse to disembark from the bus/train are you then subject to disorderly conduct, as THAT is an offence. Lets hope we are done here, as you arent going to win this one.
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You seem to think that I'm encouraging any sort of illegal behavior. I am not. What I do is comply with the laws as written, and I act as a transparant middle man.

As for quoting 'network', though it isn't large, it is profitable enough to cover the costs for my post-graduate studies, which, unfortunately, are not inexpensive.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-like-this-21204563 Thu, 02 Oct 2008 14:19:25 EDT Re: I like this http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-like-this-21204462 said by ThrowDemsOut:

A common sense attitude. The ISP has every right to police their network, even if they are not required to do so by law.
Agreed, it certainly has the responsibility to respond to an outside complaint. That's been part of being an ISP since day one.

As far as copyright cop, the DMCA has forced some duties upon ISPs. We have Cox's side of the story (which sounds pretty reasonable), but we've only heard from one person who was on the receiving end of this. He didn't mention whether Cox made numerous tries to resolve the matter. I'd like to hear more information from people like this.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-like-this-21204462 Thu, 02 Oct 2008 14:03:32 EDT Re: I like this http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-like-this-21204461
Not sure what kind of "network" you run, but I can guarantee you that you're not above being responsible for illegal practices taking place on your network and that when pointed out to you and you do nothing.. well.. that's your right to take that risk.

And, unless you are THE top of the food chain on this "network" you run, you still have to answer to the ones up the ladder from you.

-good luck!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-like-this-21204461 Thu, 02 Oct 2008 14:03:31 EDT Re: I like this http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-like-this-21204444 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-like-this-21204444 Thu, 02 Oct 2008 14:01:36 EDT Re: I like this http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-like-this-21204426 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-like-this-21204426 Thu, 02 Oct 2008 13:59:39 EDT Re: I like this http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-like-this-21204372 said by wifi4milez:

There is certainly no law against being rowdy

There most certainly are such laws. »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disorderly_conduct

Which is my point. If such a thing is necessary, then it must be written into law if attempts are being made to enforce it as a law.

Because when you encode it into law, the people are protected by virtue of having representation to enact and repeal that law, as well as oversight and checks/balances.

If it is the right thing to do, then there is no reason why it shouldn't BE a law. But if it is not a law, then it should not be enforced as such.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-like-this-21204372 Thu, 02 Oct 2008 13:53:13 EDT Re: I like this http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-like-this-21204334 said by funchords:

If my computer is spewing spam and virii, then disconnecting it is completely expected. This practice goes back decades and its the right thing to do.
That is an issue which is distinct from an issue where a company decides to assign additional penalties under the guise of legal requirements.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-like-this-21204334 Thu, 02 Oct 2008 13:47:36 EDT Re: I like this http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-like-this-21204292 said by thevorpal:

said by ThrowDemsOut:

said by swhitney2003:

Agreed. Users get ample warning before getting booted. I'm not too keen on the walled garden though (especially if you have viruses and need to download an AV). I think a warning letter (3) should be enough to inform users about the activity going on.

Then write it into law. I don't want pseudo-laws being established between corporations based on what they want/don't want.

Or would you prefer to be regulated by a corporation in which you have no representation?
If my computer is spewing spam and virii, then disconnecting it is completely expected. This practice goes back decades and its the right thing to do.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-like-this-21204292 Thu, 02 Oct 2008 13:40:31 EDT Re: I like this http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-like-this-21204160 said by thevorpal:

Because these companies can effectively enact policies that go beyond what is required by legislation in an effort to serve as a policing body, they are attempting to expand their jurisdiction in a manner that is hostile to the People of that community.

Thats a bad example. Look at another way, millions of people ride buses/trains everyday. Almost every bus/train has rules that seek to reduce rowdy behavior. Customers that are really loud and cause problems for other riders will be kicked off the bus/train. There is certainly no law against being rowdy, however the rider agrees to abide by certain rules when he/she gets on the bus/train. The situation at hand is no different, by using their (Cox) service you agree to abide by their rules.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-like-this-21204160 Thu, 02 Oct 2008 13:17:27 EDT Re: I like this http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-like-this-21204133 said by hottboiinnc:

it is not a freedom of expression to steal. If you steal you should be punished. COX is doing that by kicking them off their network which they have every right not to do business with anyone just like you have the right not to do business with them.

And as always; if you don't like the way these companies do business you are free to call DSLExtreme's parent company and pay them $200 and become a DSL Reseller nationwide and you can compete and not have these polices but i'll give you 3 months if that long and you'd be putting those same policies into affect on your own network; especially if the RIAA or the MPAA come knocking on your door.
I do run my own network, and I do not enforce such policies. I pass on DMCA notices as required by law, if I try to do more, then I tread into areas which may violate my status as a common carrier.

Should people who violate copyrights be punished? Yes.

Is COX an investigative body? No
Is COX a police force? No
Is COX the entity initiating the DMCA takedown request? No

Is COX altering their use policy to apply non legislated punishments and expanding the scope of copyright law?
Yes.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-like-this-21204133 Thu, 02 Oct 2008 13:12:33 EDT Re: I like this http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-like-this-21204045
And as always; if you don't like the way these companies do business you are free to call DSLExtreme's parent company and pay them $200 and become a DSL Reseller nationwide and you can compete and not have these polices but i'll give you 3 months if that long and you'd be putting those same policies into affect on your own network; especially if the RIAA or the MPAA come knocking on your door.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-like-this-21204045 Thu, 02 Oct 2008 12:56:29 EDT Re: I like this http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-like-this-21203986 said by ThrowDemsOut:

Franchises became non-exclusive by law years ago. So no cable company is protected from competition.
I will accept that for new builds. But you still run into the problem that since no one is ever dealing with a clean slate (Brand new commmunity, no infrastructure currently built) Due to the protections that existed, buildouts have been stopped. Even though the protections have been repealed, the effects remain.

However, I'll ignore that and cut directly to the issue.

I'll even assume that there are two identical internet providers in the area. Company A, and Company B. If Company A, and Company B both decide to implement a policy that would remove a person's ability to communicate on the internet for any reason that is not mandated by law, then it is in effect a direct infringement on the person's freedom of expression.

Because these companies can effectively enact policies that go beyond what is required by legislation in an effort to serve as a policing body, they are attempting to expand their jurisdiction in a manner that is hostile to the People of that community.

The basis by which policy must be evaluated is not 'what is this policy intended to do', but 'what would this policy do if abused'.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-like-this-21203986 Thu, 02 Oct 2008 12:46:49 EDT Re: I like this http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-like-this-21203963
This is bad precedent!
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said by ThrowDemsOut:

Then don't do business with them.

Except that these companies enjoy the benefit of limited monopolies via the agreements they have put together with the various local governments.

If they had no franchise agreements, or were not protected from competition I would agree with you. However by accepting that protection they have also assumed the responsibility of providing the service to the community.

Because they have limited the rights of the users to seek out a competing service (another cable company), they have assumed implied responsibilities even if those were not codified explicitly into the agreement.
Franchises became non-exclusive by law years ago. So no cable company is protected from competition.
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Then don't do business with them.
Except that these companies enjoy the benefit of limited monopolies via the agreements they have put together with the various local governments.

If they had no franchise agreements, or were not protected from competition I would agree with you. However by accepting that protection they have also assumed the responsibility of providing the service to the community.

Because they have limited the rights of the users to seek out a competing service (another cable company), they have assumed implied responsibilities even if those were not codified explicitly into the agreement.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-like-this-21203850 Thu, 02 Oct 2008 12:22:08 EDT Re: I like this http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-like-this-21203796 said by thevorpal:

said by ThrowDemsOut:

Then write it into law. I don't want pseudo-laws being established between corporations based on what they want/don't want.

Or would you prefer to be regulated by a corporation in which you have no representation?
Then don't do business with them.
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A walled garden may be the only way to get people to act. Many users would just ignore letters, especially where a virus/spam problem is concerned and not a DMCA problem. When internet access is cut off, people will then act.
Then write it into law. I don't want pseudo-laws being established between corporations based on what they want/don't want.

Or would you prefer to be regulated by a corporation in which you have no representation?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-like-this-21203785 Thu, 02 Oct 2008 12:10:50 EDT Re: I like this http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-like-this-21203691 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-like-this-21203691 Thu, 02 Oct 2008 11:55:24 EDT Re: I like this http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-like-this-21203660 said by swhitney2003:

Agreed. Users get ample warning before getting booted. I'm not too keen on the walled garden though (especially if you have viruses and need to download an AV). I think a warning letter (3) should be enough to inform users about the activity going on.
A walled garden may be the only way to get people to act. Many users would just ignore letters, especially where a virus/spam problem is concerned and not a DMCA problem. When internet access is cut off, people will then act.
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I think this is a perfectly acceptable solution. If you STILL don't get it after 3 warnings ... you need to be removed from the internet to protect you from yourself because you are an idiot.
A common sense attitude. The ISP has every right to police their network, even if they are not required to do so by law.
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