tcope
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Sandy, UT
 ·Comcast
1 edit | I agree
I think I tend to agree with BB, either the idea is wrong or it's not time. I bought a PS3 recently and one option is to rent/download an HD movie. The quality is _not_ as good as BR. I agree with the CEO... why would I want to download an "HD" (it's not really HD) movie when I can drive 2 minutes away and pick up a _real_ HD movie on BR. Also, it was as they said, it took forever to cache to where it could be watched with interuption. It was easier to just download the entire movie and then watch it (again, I could have been to the store and back 50 times by the time it was done).
Also, most cable/Fios/Sat provides already provide on demand HD movies. That is the kicker to what BB is offering!
Problem for people with Netflix is that most people don't have a computer connected to their TV. So Netflix online movies cannot be watched on their TVs.
So I agree with the CEO... most people will find it easier to simply stop by the local BB and pick up a true HD version of the movie. Perhaps BB is putting this "box" out just so they can look like they offer the same service as Netflix??? Seems like a waste of money though. |
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BK
join:2001-09-10
Wheaton, IL
·Comcast
 ·EarthLink
| said by tcope  :Problem for people with Netflix is that most people don't have a computer connected to their TV. So Netflix online movies cannot be watched on their TVs. they have it. you have can purchase the box which link I'll post below and gets very good reviews, or you can use your xbox 360 if you have one
»blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/05/r···net.html |
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tcope
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join:2003-05-07
Sandy, UT
·Comcast
| I see... but at the cost of another $100... _and_ the fact that it's not "really" HD is the killer. Sorry, but I'd still rather take an extra few minutes and pick up the BR copy of the movie. Its the same price as the download. Or, instead of buying the box, just use On-Demand for the same quality movie (save the $100 box expense). |
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BK
join:2001-09-10
Wheaton, IL
·Comcast
·EarthLink
| Its more for the person that already has netflix. BB is completely doing it wrong, you should NOT have to pay more for a movie/tv show/whatever when you already have a BB subscription. Maybe they could get away with that if they didn't have netflix competition..
With netflix you don't have to wait for the whole thing to download to watch HD. Not really sure why BB did it they way they did... no real time savings there
Yes I completely agree BR copy will look best no doubt (i 3 BR). But you And what you watch from your cable box or whatever isn't "really" HD either with all the compression on it
I'm not trying to like pick apart 'your argument' (i hate how it seems to come to that) but I think these boxes definitely have a market, BB just did it terribly wrong
its perfect for me with my 360! already had netflix and didnt even have to buy a box. BB should get on that |
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tcope
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join:2003-05-07
Sandy, UT
·Comcast
| I understand. What I was mentioning was that most people have cable/FIOS/Sat and that these offer the same quality rental as BB would be offering (but without the viewing limitations). So why pay for a BB box? But now that I think about it, BB will probably offer older movies and on demand does not have this.
I certainly think streaming movies stands a good chance of catching on. It's sort of the next evolution of DVRs. I download movie all the time as I have a computer connected to my TV. But that is the difference... most people don't (plus, it's SWEET to have no commercials). But I also agree with the CEO's assessment. I think BB biggest error was in putting out an "idiot" box. Come on... no streaming? Does it come with an 8-track player?  |
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eric_n_dfw
join:2001-10-22
Euless, TX | reply to BK
or your Tivo HD / S3 if you have one |
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Titus Pullo
I came, I saw, I slept
join:2004-06-26
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The problem with BB is that they're stuck to the left of the net curve catering to their storefronts. Netflix tries to look forward, but the economy in the coming year will dictate what survives and what doesn't. Inet access costs, I think, will be the make or break variable in streaming TV.
I'm confident netflix has a market as long as (a) the technology doesn't continually degrade (there are already problems with stream quality) and (b) the delivery system (ISPs) doesn't end with severely metered bandwidth in response to demand and fear of competition. Netflix subs are buying up TV devices at a good clip, and cablecos aren't going to sit idly by and watch their PPV model wither.
I have the NF box, and it's so-so at this point. Without tricking it into giving me full stream quality, I get less than decent quality streams. I watch, maybe ... three streamed movies a week along with my DVD subscription. I find cable TV horrid, and one movie or premium TV show a night delivered by either of the two alternatives suits my needs. The DVDs choices are plentiful, and you can find something in the limited instant selections.
I considered Apple TV and others, but since I have Netflix it's a no-brainer. Plus, why on earth would I DL a movie at $3 or $4 bucks (like Apple TV) when I can order DVDs by mail supplemented with free streaming? Makes no sense other than the gadgety cool factor of box fever.
EDIT: typo
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badtrip
East Bay
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join:2004-03-20
Albany, CA
 ·Unwired Ltd
·Comcast
| reply to tcope
said by tcope : I agree with the CEO... why would I want to download an "HD" (it's not really HD) movie when I can drive 2 minutes away and pick up a _real_ HD movie on BR. ... So I agree with the CEO... most people will find it easier to simply stop by the local BB and pick up a true HD version of the movie. The problem with going down to BB to get a movie is that you have to go down to BB to get a movie. You have to:
Put on your shoes and coat, get in the car/bike/walk, look at thier wall and hope they have the movie you want, stand in line, get treated like crap by a pissy teenaged clerk.
Then you have to watch the movie and bring it back.
No thanks, I'll VOD, even if the quality is less than Bluray, hell divx quality is good enough for me 9 times out of ten. Blockbuster's CEO is wrong, brick & mortar BB's are ghost towns. Convenience goes a very long way. |
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danawhitaker
Space...The Final Frontier
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"its perfect for me with my 360! already had netflix and didnt even have to buy a box. BB should get on that"
Don't you have to have an Xbox Live *Gold* subscription to use Netflix? I thought that Silver subscribers were left in the cold on this. I don't have any interest in streaming movies, so I've never been a Netflix subscriber, but a friend told me that's the case. If so, add on another $50 per year to the cost of having Netflix via 360 (or $39-42 if you caught the recent sale on Amazon for the prepaid Live cards).
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danawhitaker
Space...The Final Frontier
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Urbandale, IA
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"No thanks, I'll VOD, even if the quality is less than Bluray, hell divx quality is good enough for me 9 times out of ten. Blockbuster's CEO is wrong, brick & mortar BB's are ghost towns. Convenience goes a very long way."
Divx quality is good enough for me too, for my TV. But, I wouldn't *pay* to receive that kind of quality (or worse, from what it sounds like), not from any service like Blockbuster. I would honestly rather go out to the store and get a physical copy that's higher quality. You can always call in advance and make sure it's in stock so you don't waste your time in that regard. If I'm paying an identical amount (or similar) for a downloaded version of the product, the quality should be equal to what I'd receive in the store. If not, no thanks. Some people thrive on that kind of mentality, but I'm not one of them. I'd rather speak with my money by saying no, I won't purchase your substandard limited and/or poor quality product. If people are willing to pay for a substandard product, the industry has no motivation to bother trying to correct the problems and bring higher-quality video into the streaming market.
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Count Zero
MD2Be
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Warner Robins, GA
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·Cox HSI
| reply to Titus Pullo
said by Titus Pullo :The problem with BB is that they're stuck to the left of the net curve catering to their storefronts. Netflix tries to look forward, but the economy in the coming year will dictate what survives and what doesn't. Inet access costs, I think, will be the make or break variable in streaming TV. I'm confident netflix has a market as long as (a) the technology doesn't continually degrade (there are already problems with stream quality) and (b) the delivery system (ISPs) doesn't end with severely metered bandwidth in response to demand and fear of competition. Netflix subs are buying up TV devices at a good clip, and cablecos aren't going to sit idly by and watch their PPV model wither. I have the NF box, and it's so-so at this point. Without tricking it into giving me full stream quality, I get less than decent quality streams. I watch, maybe ... three streamed movies a week along with my DVD subscription. I find cable TV horrid, and one movie or premium TV show a night delivered by either of the two alternatives suits my needs. The DVDs choices are plentiful, and you can find something in the limited instant selections. I considered Apple TV and others, but since I have Netflix it's a no-brainer. Plus, why on earth would I DL a movie at $3 or $4 bucks (like Apple TV) when I can order DVDs by mail supplemented with free streaming? Makes no sense other than the gadgety cool factor of box fever. EDIT: typo -- I agree, I have an AppleTV that I use to stream videos from my home office to my living room as well as streaming music. But I couldn't see myeslf using their video rental service since I can get 3 bluray discs per month from Netflix for cheaper than I can rent 3 HD movies from Apple. I typically watch about 4-5 movies per month, so the choice to go with Netflix is easy. If Apple came out with a movie subscription service I'd probably ditch Netflix. |
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Count Zero
MD2Be
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Warner Robins, GA | reply to danawhitaker
Yes you have to have a Gold membership to use it. |
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tcope
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join:2003-05-07
Sandy, UT
·Comcast
| reply to badtrip
said by badtrip :The problem with going down to BB to get a movie is that you have to go down to BB to get a movie. You have to: Put on your shoes and coat, get in the car/bike/walk, look at thier wall and hope they have the movie you want, stand in line, get treated like crap by a pissy teenaged clerk. Then you have to watch the movie and bring it back. All valid points however, it's rare that a day goes by when I don't put on my shoes and venture out in the car. So it's almost never an extra trip. But there are some days when it's easier to use on demand or the like.
But you are missing the thread completly in that you are comparing playing a Divx movie to all this. That is not what is being dicussed. Would you pay $100 (cost of the BB box) instead of everything else you have available? |
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BK
join:2001-09-10
Wheaton, IL | reply to danawhitaker
Yes.. but because I already have the gold subscription it doesn't make a difference for me and I would have it even without netflix. Reason I have 360 is for online play pretty much
It makes the gold more worth it if anything. |
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Frank
is chilling
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join:2000-11-03
somewhere
 ·Verizon FIOS
1 edit | reply to tcope
said by tcope :I agree with the CEO... why would I want to download an "HD" (it's not really HD) movie when I can drive 2 minutes away and pick up a _real_ HD movie on BR. Also, it was as they said, it took forever to cache to where it could be watched with interuption. It was easier to just download the entire movie and then watch it (again, I could have been to the store and back 50 times by the time it was done). Also, most cable/Fios/Sat provides already provide on demand HD movies. That is the kicker to what BB is offering! Problem for people with Netflix is that most people don't have a computer connected to their TV. So Netflix online movies cannot be watched on their TVs. So I agree with the CEO... most people will find it easier to simply stop by the local BB and pick up a true HD version of the movie. Perhaps BB is putting this "box" out just so they can look like they offer the same service as Netflix??? Seems like a waste of money though. Going to blockbuster is fine and dandy where you live in the middle of west bumblefark utah, but where I live I have to battle horrible traffic and weather to get to blockbuster (which is only a few miles away and can be a 30 minute trip sometimes).
As far as on-demand offerings, I have verizon fios which offers hd-on-demand supposedly uncompressed and whatnot. My main problem with that is they tend to charge like $5.99 (i'm not home right now to check) for their hd payperview movies.
I have showtime, flix, encore, starz, sundance, and the movie channel on demand (it was part of a package deal, 45 movie channels for $15 a month) but I think like only three of those channels offer hd on demand and their offerings are very limited 
You dont need a computer for netflix streaming, netflix streaming will be available on tivo boxes, and newer bluray players.
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badtrip
East Bay
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join:2004-03-20
Albany, CA | reply to tcope
I wasn't comparing divx to anything. I was stating that a bump in quality isnt going to make me want to go through the trouble of going to a BB, even though there is one within walking distance of my house. |
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tcope
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join:2003-05-07
Sandy, UT
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| reply to Frank
said by Frank :Going to blockbuster is fine and dandy where you live in the middle of west bumblefark utah, but where I live I have to battle horrible traffic and weather to get to blockbuster (which is only a few miles away and can be a 30 minute trip sometimes).
Time for you to break out your Atlas. SLC is not in the middle of Utah. Yup, lived in FL for 25 years and never realized what great places were left in the US. said by Frank :You dont need a computer for netflix streaming, netflix streaming will be available on tivo boxes, and newer bluray players. "Will"... I can and was only speaking of the present... as this is "when" the BB box is being put out and when the CEO's comments were relevent. I also mentioned that streaming video was probably going to pick up and give BM rentals a run for their money. You can read all about that in my post. Can the BB box keep up with streaming video, Divx movies, on-demand? No... clearly as indicated in these posts. So perhaps this is why the CEO of BB has a hard time standing up for the BB box. What would we say if he said it was going to take over America. |
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Madmick
join:2002-12-12
East Northport, NY | reply to BK
The 360 connected to the NetFlix is a big win. Sure you can't watch HD movies through streaming without a big fat pipe, but for a buck more you can get BR snail mailed. |
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