Re: YouTube technically doesn't have to pay them a dime - NOT in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r21620239 en Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:01:50 EDT Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:01:50 EDT Re: YouTube technically doesn't have to pay them a dime - NOT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21624946 Duo Maxwell : Ditto, Google is the one that should be laughing all the way to the bank.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21624946 Tue, 23 Dec 2008 01:38:42 EDT Re: Warner & other labels look to create a Hulu for music videos http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21623353 funchords : They make it sound like Google banned them, but last I looked, anyone can post on YouTube for free. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21623353 Mon, 22 Dec 2008 19:52:21 EDT Warner & other labels look to create a Hulu for music videos http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21623228 TKJunkMail : »www.alleyinsider.com/2008/12/lab···sic-goog
Warner Music Group -- now banned from YouTube following failed licensing negotiations -- isn't the only major record label tired of doing business with Google's video-sharing site.

A source familiar with the negotiations tells us that Warner and the three other majors -- Sony BMG, EMI, and Universal Music Group -- all think they could do better creating their own music video Web destinations and are in early talks about forming a joint venture similar in concept to Hulu, the increasingly popular TV-on-the-Web joint venture from News Corp and NBC Unviersal.

Suddenly in penny-pinching mode -- due to a new CFO, a rough economy and low Wall Street expectations -- Google is tired of paying for content that doesn't make it money. Google wants the labels to sign new deals heavy with revenue-sharing and light on licensing fees.

The current deals begin to expire early next year.

The labels agree that their content's future on the Web is ad-supported, but the $25,000 checks have them convinced they could do a better job selling sponsorships, pushing concert tickets, and music sales on their own site.
Music companies may spurn YouTube altogether and go out and build their own web site.
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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

YouTube technically doesn't have to pay them a dime
When YouTube sells ads attached to the music videos, they gave up their safe harbor provisions. So Warner is due compensation for YouTube hosting their music.
no YouTube is due money from Warner for hosting their ads for the artists they sign.(err i mean Music Videos)

i think the whole royalties thing with Youtube is TOTALLY being done wrong because Google is basicly providing mass video ads and is expected to pay the record company when the record company should be paying Google for hosting their advertisement(and dont try and tell me a music video isnt just a fancy ad for the album).
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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

YouTube technically doesn't have to pay them a dime
When YouTube sells ads attached to the music videos, they gave up their safe harbor provisions. So Warner is due compensation for YouTube hosting their music.
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21621082 Mon, 22 Dec 2008 12:15:18 EDT Re: YouTube technically doesn't have to pay them a dime - NOT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21620890 heliox : No it doesn't.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21620890 Mon, 22 Dec 2008 11:37:13 EDT Re: YouTube technically doesn't have to pay them a dime - NOT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21620594 funchords :
said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

YouTube technically doesn't have to pay them a dime
When YouTube sells ads attached to the music videos, they gave up their safe harbor provisions. So Warner is due compensation for YouTube hosting their music.
True? I don't know if selling ads has anything to do with it, but it seems that they had a deal for <1¢ a song. So Safe-Harbor would be gone anyway.

I agree that Warner Bros. ought to control their own content and ultimately, if they can't strike a deal, they should be able to pull it. That's their rights under the current law.

But they ought not be quick in doing so -- the flip side (excuse the pun) is that people looking for a particular song are now more likely to turn to other methods, such as P2P file-sharing.

P2P file-sharing traffic is in a two-year low because

1. these songs are available free or inexpensively

2. users have the perception that these songs will remain available for free or inexpensively

Both of these are still true, but with YouTube no longer a channel, its not as true as it was last week.

I can't overestimate the value of #2 above -- we all know that these kids download more content than they consume, so it's not reason #1 but reason #2. Keeping content available is critical to the recipe in changing consumer behaviors toward a model that works for users and creators.
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The more you know.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21620370 Mon, 22 Dec 2008 10:05:43 EDT Re: YouTube technically doesn't have to pay them a dime - NOT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21620253 pnh102 :
said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

When YouTube sells ads attached to the music videos, they gave up their safe harbor provisions. So Warner is due compensation for YouTube hosting their music.
Provided that they reach a deal that grants them such.

Copyright owners can freely distribute their own content without having to collect any money for it should that be what they want to do. We see examples of this with GPL licensed software. If Warner were to choose on its own to upload its own content to YouTube, it would be no different than anyone else uploading their own content to YouTube. In either situation, YouTube would not owe them anything.
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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

YouTube technically doesn't have to pay them a dime
When YouTube sells ads attached to the music videos, they gave up their safe harbor provisions. So Warner is due compensation for YouTube hosting their music.
So when is WBTube coming out?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21620239 Mon, 22 Dec 2008 09:36:52 EDT YouTube technically doesn't have to pay them a dime - NOT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21620156 TKJunkMail :
YouTube technically doesn't have to pay them a dime
When YouTube sells ads attached to the music videos, they gave up their safe harbor provisions. So Warner is due compensation for YouTube hosting their music.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21620156 Mon, 22 Dec 2008 09:13:58 EDT