NormanS
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| reply to mocycler
Re: Losing small ISPs may not matter ....
said by mocycler  :The problem with that is it's unlikely many customers will dump their ISP over this. Sure, a few will be mad enough to go with an independent provider, but don't expect some mass exodus. While I am not inclined to dump my ISP over this; if they dump me, I will find an independent which scoffs at the MPAA/RIAA.
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NormanS
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| reply to maartena
said by maartena :I know TWC users have already begun receiving notices from Time Warner. (See RoadRunner topic, someone that got caught opened a topic). What makes you think that Comcast, AT&T and Verizon won't do the same? Comcast already sends "cease and desist" letters. I've heard AT&T does, but not actually seen one, as I have a Comcast letter (and I am an "at&t Yahoo! HSI" subscriber; never had Comcast Service. Ever.)
I don't trade in MPAA/RIAA stuff, so, if I ever get a letter, there will be an accounting.
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nitzan
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| reply to TKJunkMail
Re: Losing small ISPs may not matter ....
said by TKJunkMail :.... if the RIAA can sign up Comcast, AT&T, Verizon, TWC, and the few other large ISPs. They could then have deals covering 85% of the US market. I agree. The broadband competition state in the US is that, well, there is no competition. Get the major players to participate and it really doesn't matter what the smalls ISPs do or don't.
If this happens then I doubt people will stop file sharing. VPNs will just become a whole lot more popular. 
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Boricua65
join:2002-01-26
Puerto Rico
| reply to mocycler
said by mocycler :The problem with that is it's unlikely many customers will dump their ISP over this. Sure, a few will be mad enough to go with an independent provider, but don't expect some mass exodus. mocycler Yeah, considering many parts there is a duopoly. In some places, the individual is either stuck with DSL (AT&T or Verizon) or cable with no other competition  .
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Matt
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Jamestown, NC
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| reply to TKJunkMail
said by TKJunkMail :.... if the RIAA can sign up Comcast, AT&T, Verizon, TWC, and the few other large ISPs. They could then have deals covering 85% of the US market. But they won't and the writing is on the wall.
Comcast, AT&T and Time Warner are *ALL* moving to usage based tiers. They don't want to play copyright cops so they'll just shut down the big offenders or charge them out the wazoo and be done with it. |
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mocycler
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Naperville, IL
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| reply to 33591094
said by 33591094 :And then folks will migrate to the 15% of intelligent ISP's that remained independent. And the bought off scum will perish.... The problem with that is it's unlikely many customers will dump their ISP over this. Sure, a few will be mad enough to go with an independent provider, but don't expect some mass exodus.
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anticomcast
@mindspring.com | reply to Kearnstd
Then RIAA will just sue the user user's mom for an extra $10,000 of costs. |
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Pv8man
join:2008-07-24
Hammond, IN | reply to 33591094
LOL, we can only dream "Davebo"...we can only dream...
That karma sounds about right, seems like this is what SHOULD have happened along time ago |
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MrHappy316
Wish I had my tank
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join:2003-01-02
Summerville, SC
·AT&T DSL Service
| reply to Cheese
You know why they want them to disconnect customers...So they can bring back the physical media economy they so desperately need to make money. If you cannot connect to the internet then you have to buy the physical media to continue to music or video your way to entertainment bliss. Of course this is not going to work but were at the next battlefield of the war, like to see how this plays out. |
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Cheese
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join:2003-10-26
Naples, FL
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said by maartena :said by Cheese :And if he was disconnected, this was more than likely not his first letter. Probably. But this is what the RIAA wants.... disconnect users. If TWC is willing to lose customers over this (if you forcefully disconnect them they will go find a different ISP), I wouldn't be at all surprised if the other big ISP's do the same thing. They are doing the same thing, and they aren't willing to lose customers, they warned this person, and we assume multiple times being he got cut off, but if he/she/it wasn't willing to comply with the notices, that's HIS fault, not the ISP. |
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maartena
Stacked.
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Orange, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to Cheese
said by Cheese :And if he was disconnected, this was more than likely not his first letter. Probably. But this is what the RIAA wants.... disconnect users.
If TWC is willing to lose customers over this (if you forcefully disconnect them they will go find a different ISP), I wouldn't be at all surprised if the other big ISP's do the same thing. |
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Nightshade
sic semper tyrannis
Premium
join:2002-05-26
Salem, OR | reply to TKJunkMail
Who's to say that the large ISPs will charge RIAA for the privilege of monitoring their content like this small ISP says they should? |
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JasonOD
@comcast.net
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| reply to fatness
Don't be naive fatness, it's a numbers game. Pursuing every last bit of the long tail is expensive. %85 would be a heck of a start. |
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Cheese
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Naples, FL
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said by maartena :Actually, they have already disconnected a TWC user (or so he claims), read here: » [TWC] OMG I Feel so violated! What if someone got KILLED?Yeah the guy is really making a big fuss.  But it looks like his internet got disconnected by TWC because of downloading copyrighted materials. And although Time Warner Corp and Time Warner Cable are now separate companies/entities, I wouldn't be surprised that TWC will gladly work with the RIAA when it comes to Time Warner produced materials. And if he was disconnected, this was more than likely not his first letter. |
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maartena
Stacked.
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join:2002-05-10
Orange, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to Cheese
Actually, they have already disconnected a TWC user (or so he claims), read here: »[TWC] OMG I Feel so violated! What if someone got KILLED?
Yeah the guy is really making a big fuss.
But it looks like his internet got disconnected by TWC because of downloading copyrighted materials.
And although Time Warner Corp and Time Warner Cable are now separate companies/entities, I wouldn't be surprised that TWC will gladly work with the RIAA when it comes to Time Warner produced materials. |
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Cheese
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Naples, FL
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said by maartena :said by hopeflicker :said by TKJunkMail :.... if the RIAA can sign up Comcast, AT&T, Verizon, TWC, and the few other large ISPs. They could then have deals covering 85% of the US market. ohh, that would just elate you, would it? But u know it will never happen. I know TWC users have already begun receiving notices from Time Warner. (See RoadRunner topic, someone that got caught opened a topic). What makes you think that Comcast, AT&T and Verizon won't do the same? Um, people have been getting notices from these guys for a while now? These letters are not something new, and currently, all they do is just send the letter out, the RIAA wants them to enforce the letters they are sending out now.... |
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fatness
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said by TKJunkMail :.... if the RIAA can sign up Comcast, AT&T, Verizon, TWC, and the few other large ISPs. They could then have deals covering 85% of the US market. Translation: "Smaller businesses do not matter." |
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Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
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Mullica Hill, NJ
| reply to TKJunkMail
the RIAA couldnt afford to upgrade the comcast network. however the ISPs should bill the RIAA $10,000 per request for a name related to an IP unless there is a court order signed by a judge local to the offender.
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