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Topic 'Re: Losing small ISPs may not matter ....' in forum '' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Losing-small-ISPs-may-not-matter-21638290 en Thu, 09 Feb 2012 03:26:27 EDT Thu, 09 Feb 2012 03:26:27 EDT Re: Losing small ISPs may not matter .... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Losing-small-ISPs-may-not-matter-21642828 said by mocycler:

The problem with that is it's unlikely many customers will dump their ISP over this. Sure, a few will be mad enough to go with an independent provider, but don't expect some mass exodus.
While I am not inclined to dump my ISP over this; if they dump me, I will find an independent which scoffs at the MPAA/RIAA.
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I know TWC users have already begun receiving notices from Time Warner. (See RoadRunner topic, someone that got caught opened a topic).

What makes you think that Comcast, AT&T and Verizon won't do the same?
Comcast already sends "cease and desist" letters. I've heard AT&T does, but not actually seen one, as I have a Comcast letter (and I am an "at&t Yahoo! HSI" subscriber; never had Comcast Service. Ever.)

I don't trade in MPAA/RIAA stuff, so, if I ever get a letter, there will be an accounting.
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~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Losing-small-ISPs-may-not-matter-21642819 Sat, 27 Dec 2008 14:23:18 EDT Re: Losing small ISPs may not matter .... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Losing-small-ISPs-may-not-matter-21641747 said by ThrowDemsOut:

.... if the RIAA can sign up Comcast, AT&T, Verizon, TWC, and the few other large ISPs. They could then have deals covering 85% of the US market.
I agree. The broadband competition state in the US is that, well, there is no competition. Get the major players to participate and it really doesn't matter what the smalls ISPs do or don't.

If this happens then I doubt people will stop file sharing. VPNs will just become a whole lot more popular. :)
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The problem with that is it's unlikely many customers will dump their ISP over this. Sure, a few will be mad enough to go with an independent provider, but don't expect some mass exodus.

mocycler

Yeah, considering many parts there is a duopoly. In some places, the individual is either stuck with DSL (AT&T or Verizon) or cable with no other competition :huh:.
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.... if the RIAA can sign up Comcast, AT&T, Verizon, TWC, and the few other large ISPs. They could then have deals covering 85% of the US market.
But they won't and the writing is on the wall.

Comcast, AT&T and Time Warner are *ALL* moving to usage based tiers. They don't want to play copyright cops so they'll just shut down the big offenders or charge them out the wazoo and be done with it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Losing-small-ISPs-may-not-matter-21640682 Fri, 26 Dec 2008 22:14:34 EDT Re: Losing small ISPs may not matter .... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Losing-small-ISPs-may-not-matter-21640341 said by 33591094:

And then folks will migrate to the 15% of intelligent ISP's that remained independent.

And the bought off scum will perish.... :)
The problem with that is it's unlikely many customers will dump their ISP over this. Sure, a few will be mad enough to go with an independent provider, but don't expect some mass exodus.

mocycler

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Losing-small-ISPs-may-not-matter-21640341 Fri, 26 Dec 2008 20:24:53 EDT Re: Losing small ISPs may not matter .... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Losing-small-ISPs-may-not-matter-21639140 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Losing-small-ISPs-may-not-matter-21639140 Fri, 26 Dec 2008 16:59:05 EDT Re: Losing small ISPs may not matter .... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Losing-small-ISPs-may-not-matter-21639206
That karma sounds about right, seems like this is what SHOULD have happened along time ago]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Losing-small-ISPs-may-not-matter-21639206 Fri, 26 Dec 2008 15:10:37 EDT Re: Losing small ISPs may not matter .... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Losing-small-ISPs-may-not-matter-21639159 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Losing-small-ISPs-may-not-matter-21639159 Fri, 26 Dec 2008 14:57:49 EDT Re: Losing small ISPs may not matter .... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Losing-small-ISPs-may-not-matter-21639137 said by maartena:

said by Cheese:

And if he was disconnected, this was more than likely not his first letter.

Probably. But this is what the RIAA wants.... disconnect users.

If TWC is willing to lose customers over this (if you forcefully disconnect them they will go find a different ISP), I wouldn't be at all surprised if the other big ISP's do the same thing.
They are doing the same thing, and they aren't willing to lose customers, they warned this person, and we assume multiple times being he got cut off, but if he/she/it wasn't willing to comply with the notices, that's HIS fault, not the ISP. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Losing-small-ISPs-may-not-matter-21639137 Fri, 26 Dec 2008 14:52:08 EDT Re: Losing small ISPs may not matter .... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Losing-small-ISPs-may-not-matter-21639116 said by Cheese:

And if he was disconnected, this was more than likely not his first letter.
Probably. But this is what the RIAA wants.... disconnect users.

If TWC is willing to lose customers over this (if you forcefully disconnect them they will go find a different ISP), I wouldn't be at all surprised if the other big ISP's do the same thing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Losing-small-ISPs-may-not-matter-21639116 Fri, 26 Dec 2008 14:47:36 EDT Re: Losing small ISPs may not matter .... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Losing-small-ISPs-may-not-matter-21639055 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Losing-small-ISPs-may-not-matter-21639055 Fri, 26 Dec 2008 14:30:15 EDT Re: Losing small ISPs may not matter .... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Losing-small-ISPs-may-not-matter-21638658 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Losing-small-ISPs-may-not-matter-21638658 Fri, 26 Dec 2008 12:46:31 EDT Re: Losing small ISPs may not matter .... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Losing-small-ISPs-may-not-matter-21638643 said by maartena:

Actually, they have already disconnected a TWC user (or so he claims), read here: »[TWC] OMG I Feel so violated! What if someone got KILLED?

Yeah the guy is really making a big fuss. :D

But it looks like his internet got disconnected by TWC because of downloading copyrighted materials.

And although Time Warner Corp and Time Warner Cable are now separate companies/entities, I wouldn't be surprised that TWC will gladly work with the RIAA when it comes to Time Warner produced materials.
And if he was disconnected, this was more than likely not his first letter. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Losing-small-ISPs-may-not-matter-21638643 Fri, 26 Dec 2008 12:43:07 EDT Re: Losing small ISPs may not matter .... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Losing-small-ISPs-may-not-matter-21638639 [TWC] OMG I Feel so violated! What if someone got KILLED?

Yeah the guy is really making a big fuss. :D

But it looks like his internet got disconnected by TWC because of downloading copyrighted materials.

And although Time Warner Corp and Time Warner Cable are now separate companies/entities, I wouldn't be surprised that TWC will gladly work with the RIAA when it comes to Time Warner produced materials.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Losing-small-ISPs-may-not-matter-21638639 Fri, 26 Dec 2008 12:41:45 EDT Re: Losing small ISPs may not matter .... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Losing-small-ISPs-may-not-matter-21638593 said by maartena:

said by hopeflicker:

said by ThrowDemsOut:

.... if the RIAA can sign up Comcast, AT&T, Verizon, TWC, and the few other large ISPs. They could then have deals covering 85% of the US market.

ohh, that would just elate you, would it?

But u know it will never happen.

I know TWC users have already begun receiving notices from Time Warner. (See RoadRunner topic, someone that got caught opened a topic).

What makes you think that Comcast, AT&T and Verizon won't do the same?
Um, people have been getting notices from these guys for a while now? These letters are not something new, and currently, all they do is just send the letter out, the RIAA wants them to enforce the letters they are sending out now....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Losing-small-ISPs-may-not-matter-21638593 Fri, 26 Dec 2008 12:30:16 EDT Re: Losing small ISPs may not matter .... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Losing-small-ISPs-may-not-matter-21638526 said by ThrowDemsOut:

.... if the RIAA can sign up Comcast, AT&T, Verizon, TWC, and the few other large ISPs. They could then have deals covering 85% of the US market.
Translation: "Smaller businesses do not matter."]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Losing-small-ISPs-may-not-matter-21638526 Fri, 26 Dec 2008 12:12:22 EDT Re: Losing small ISPs may not matter .... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Losing-small-ISPs-may-not-matter-21638493 --
[65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Losing-small-ISPs-may-not-matter-21638493 Fri, 26 Dec 2008 12:01:47 EDT Re: Losing small ISPs may not matter .... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Losing-small-ISPs-may-not-matter-21638479 said by ThrowDemsOut:

.... if the RIAA can sign up Comcast, AT&T, Verizon, TWC, and the few other large ISPs. They could then have deals covering 85% of the US market.
can the RIAA afford it? The impression I get is that the only reason they have pursued this to the extent they have is they have been able to shift costs to the ISPs.

reports are starting to appear that the costs of their lawsuits are starting to be a burden, with member companies reducing their payments to the RIAA.

I'm guessing when the RIAA sees the bill from one of these major ISPs, they may think twice about paying it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Losing-small-ISPs-may-not-matter-21638479 Fri, 26 Dec 2008 11:58:31 EDT Re: Losing small ISPs may not matter .... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Losing-small-ISPs-may-not-matter-21638466 said by ThrowDemsOut:

.... if the RIAA can sign up Comcast, AT&T, Verizon, TWC, and the few other large ISPs. They could then have deals covering 85% of the US market.
Hmm...then what happens next? People who download a lot of movies and music figure out which ISPs are participating and which aren't (the Internet is a wonderful thing). Those smaller ISPs get a bump from those people, and the problem is still there for the **AAs while the rest of us either lose access to the legit functions of P2P (doubtful given the new administration) or the **AAs still have a problem as more torrents move to being encrypted.

Could this be a headache for smaller ISPs too? If they get a lot of people flooding in who use a lot of bandwidth, they'll need bigger pipes to keep everyone happy (or some kind of metering arrangement).

Long story short, the **AAs are still fighting a losing battle.
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said by ThrowDemsOut:

.... if the RIAA can sign up Comcast, AT&T, Verizon, TWC, and the few other large ISPs. They could then have deals covering 85% of the US market.

ohh, that would just elate you, would it?

But u know it will never happen.
I know TWC users have already begun receiving notices from Time Warner. (See RoadRunner topic, someone that got caught opened a topic).

What makes you think that Comcast, AT&T and Verizon won't do the same?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Losing-small-ISPs-may-not-matter-21638456 Fri, 26 Dec 2008 11:51:08 EDT Re: Losing small ISPs may not matter .... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Losing-small-ISPs-may-not-matter-21638446
And the bought off scum will perish.... :)
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.... if the RIAA can sign up Comcast, AT&T, Verizon, TWC, and the few other large ISPs. They could then have deals covering 85% of the US market.
ohh, that would just elate you, would it?

But u know it will never happen.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Losing-small-ISPs-may-not-matter-21638321 Fri, 26 Dec 2008 11:11:07 EDT Losing small ISPs may not matter .... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Losing-small-ISPs-may-not-matter-21638290 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Losing-small-ISPs-may-not-matter-21638290 Fri, 26 Dec 2008 11:03:11 EDT