TKJunkMail
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As long as the content costs are the driving force behind most price increases, all players(sat,cable,telco) will raise prices all the time. Competition between delivery companies isn't going to affect price very much. The place that could really affect price is in Hollywood where the real monopoly lies.
And as long as people whine and complain to Congress every time a cable company cuts off a channel(any channel) because they don't want to pay the exorbitant price to Hollywood, that is the way things will stay.
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hottboiinnc
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You can't claim that. My cable company has not raised rates for years and years. We even have roughly 8 Big Ten Networks and have not seen a raise in prices to bring them. We're also one of the fastest HSI areas in Ohio. at 20meg /1meg being the highest tier available. We also have some of the lowest rates in the country.
Your comment about content costs driving force is moot. Providers raise rates to raise them. Not because programing costs go up. |
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I'm inclined to agree.
It would be interesting to see some graphs of content costs to these companies alongside pricing to customers. |
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KrK
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AT&T is raising prices on already high priced services faster then cable..... seems like we have a race to see just how much the market will bear. It's great having little or no competition.
Seems like the states should consider yanking those statewide franchises since there's nothing in it for their citizens.
Meanwhile on "It's all the content" argument, I notice DirecTV and DISH prices haven't moved in awhile....
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hottboiinnc
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Cleveland, OH | if Ohio pulled their state agreement ATT would be the first to pull out. Especially in Toledo. Buckeye would even go around and help the City and State go around and yank the VARDs out of the ground. |
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Steve Mehs
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Meanwhile on "It's all the content" argument, I notice DirecTV and DISH prices haven't moved in awhile....
By a while I hope you mean 10 months. Typically Dish Network and DirecTV raise their rates every February or March. Last year Dish Networks top package, 'America's Everything Pak' went up $5 with locals from $95 to $100/month. The package started out being $70/month back in 2001. Checkout the Web Archive and look at old archived pages from Dish and DirecTVs website and notice how packages have increased every year since about 1999 or 2000 over the years.
It was 10 years ago today, that I had Dish Network installed, the package we had, AT100, which is now AT200, was $28.99, with no locals, now with locals it's $49.99. Other then a bunch of shopping and public interest channels not much has been added to the line up in the past 10 years, NFL Network, Big Ten Network, Ovation and SITV and that's about it. My digital cable package without the movie channels is only a few bucks more then that and is more comparable to the next package up AT250.
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Toledo is lucky to have a choice between Buckeye Cable and AT&T. Most areas are not that lucky. Around where I live, people are dumping Time Warner for Uverse as soon as their VRAD becomes activated. I know people who are begging AT&T to get a VRAD in their neighborhood because they want to dump Time Warner.
For $100, I get Whole House DVR (which I can program over the web or my mobile), additional box, 1.5 MB DSL, over 200 channels and 40 HD channels. I also get access to any AT&T wifi hotspot.
Time Warner was more expensive and their HD choices blow. I think I had 10 HD channels with them.
Time Warner didn't even seem surprised when I canceled. |
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hottboiinnc
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1 edit | We don't have a choice. You have Buckeye as ATT is not expanding past what they have. They're only in areas they're in now due to Ohio made them.
And again as said before even by me. You can't claim people are dumping TWC for AT$T as soon as it comes available. That's not what happens. In fact it has been shown over and over again most people will keep their same provider due to they're afraid of change and they're flat out happy with them.
ATT is actually more for their services than TWC.
And you can NOT access any AT$T hotspot. Most of them are still Prem. Spots DSL users do not get access to. Most of them are at Starbucks and Mc.D's.
Why should they. They'll be a point in day when you'll go back to them. Why? ATT will kill off their TV network just the way they SBC took over Ameritech with Americast.
ATT won't be able to stay in the market for the long haul. Especially as more and more programming is staying private.
And your over 200 channels with AT$T! LMAO! They count their "private network customer only channels" you can't count them, but they do.
Also anyone that believes AT$T and what they have to say shouldn't have cable anyway and should be watched by the NSA. |
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said by KrK : I notice DirecTV and DISH prices haven't moved in awhile.... That's not true, my rates for DirecTv went from $55/month to $61, and another $2 for the extra receiver. That happened in like June of this year.
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dustman81
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Then explain to me why most everyone I know, when they have a choice, do not choose Time Warner. They subscribe to satellite, a competing cable service or Uverse.
And if AT&T kills off their video services (highly unlikely), I can go to satellite.
I'm getting channels that I didn't even know existed before switching. Did you know that The Weather Channel has a HD channel? They do.
Have you even tried Uverse or are you just blindly knocking their services? |
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hottboiinnc
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| Yes I did know the Weather Channel is in HD. Remember I have one of the best cable companies in the country. They maybe small and regional but they still hit BBR front page three times (even if the one was from calling the Feds). And the key word with your first sentence is "MOST everyone I know" thats NOT everyone in your town/city.
And why wouldn't they? If it doesn't make them any money what are they going to do? Kill it. The same as SBC did with Americast. They're in business to make money not to lose it.
Why should I have U-Verse when I AM happy with my cable company and I have better services and faster internet than you will ever have with U-Verse.
Also I Pay MUCH less than you for services and will always pay less than you. |
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dustman81
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| Maybe you didn't read my previous posts. It's good for Toledo that they have a cable company like Buckeye. Most areas of Ohio don't have that option. Most areas in Ohio, the cable company has a monopoly and it shows through customer service and pricing.
If Buckeye were available in my area, I would consider them and see if they were the best deal. But they are not in my area so I will make do with what I have and I found U-Verse to be the best deal for me. If it gets to a point where U-Verse is no longer the best deal, then I can reconsider my options. But I am fortunate in that I have options. |
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hottboiinnc
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| Buckeye is in more cities now that they can just go to the State and expand. They now have parts of Wood County, more of Erie and Huron Counties and parts of Sandusky County now. You may have them before you know it.
But you also consider U-Verse to offer more in fact they're more after you factor in STBs and their "200 channels" comes out to be less due to the fact they factor in the Music Channels and "ATT Blue room channels"
But also claimed that everyone in Stow is dropping TWC which i said is hardly unlikely. |
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KrK
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Ah, I stand corrected then. Although AT&T has increased prices at least twice since then. |
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KrK
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Yeah, but they added a lot of channels to those over the years. Even given that, it's now $12 more expensive then it was 10 years ago. That averages out at around $1.25 a year increase.
AT&T has raised prices at least 3 times in the last year.
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KrK
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said by hottboiinnc :Your comment about content costs driving force is moot. Providers raise rates to raise them. Not because programing costs go up. I wouldn't go that far. They do raise them to cover programming costs--- but they also raise them whenever they feel like it for other reasons, because they don't have enough a) Competition to keep pricing lower or b) regulation to achieve the same.
They know Americans love their TV, and they know most people depend on Internet now. Result: They know people will pay, and if they want to increase margins, so be it.
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dishrich
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said by David :and another $2 for the extra receiver. That happened in like June of this year. Are you SURE you're on DirecTV - they have NEVER raised their extra receiver prices in ages; they have been & STILL are $5/box, regardless of which type it is. You may have very well got some sort of increase, but it sure was NOT on the receiver(s) themselves.
Now DISH OTOH, DID raise the monthly price of HD boxes to $7, which is why I think that's what you're REALLY on... |
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Steve Mehs
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AT200, the package I used as an example, has seen very little channel additions over the past decade, the bulk of those channels added are shopping channels which pay to be carried, or public interest channels, which are non profit and are required by the FCC. I hate AT&T, well all telcos in general, but satellite is now just as bad as ever when it comes to pricing. Those 4 channels I mentioned are just about the only channels that have been added, I may be missing another channel or two, but there haven't been 'a lot channels added over the years'. America's Everything Pak has seen the most channel additions and has gone up $30 since 2000 or 2001. Looking everything over channels added to AEP since it was started in 2000 or 2001 are as follows: Actionmax, 5Starzmax, Starz Comedy, Big Ten Network, CNBC World, Chiller, Current, ESPN U, NFL Network, NHL Network, Ovation, SITV and Tennis Channel. Oh yeah and the west coast feed of Cartoon Network and Fox Reality Channel replaced Reality TV a few years ago. Are those channels worth a $30 price increase?
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KrK
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| said by Steve Mehs :Actionmax, 5Starzmax, Starz Comedy, Big Ten Network, CNBC World, Chiller, Current, ESPN U, NFL Network, NHL Network, Ovation, SITV and Tennis Channel. Oh yeah and the west coast feed of Cartoon Network and Fox Reality Channel replaced Reality TV a few years ago. Are those channels worth a $30 price increase? Well, I don't know if they are worth the $30 increase, but they are sports and movie channels mostly, so I'm sure they cost every bit of that extra expense to Dish.
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