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Re: This isn't surprising...
Nothing uses cablecard except Tivo.
Only stupid people buy Tivo and pay a monthly fee to record tv shows.
Cablecard will take off once they are standard on TVs and work two ways.
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| said by r81984  :Nothing uses cablecard except Tivo. Only stupid people buy Tivo and pay a monthly fee to record tv shows. Cablecard will take off once they are standard on TVs and work two ways. Or rich people who like the option to pay for something better than what the MSO is offering. I agree though, Series 3 TiVos are VERY pricey, especially if your cable company charges a CableCARD rental fee.
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Chantilly, VA | TiVo HD are $300. I'm not sure this constitutes "very pricy" in a world of $150 cable bills. |
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As a tivo owner, I resent your comment. I picked up a Tivo HD for $150, which is reasonable, and my monthly fees are considerably less for a DVR from my cable company. Cox wants $18/mo for a HD-DVR that only holds 20 hours. I pay $10/mo + $2 for the cable card and I have 400 hours of space.
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said by r81984 :Nothing uses cablecard except Tivo. Only stupid people buy Tivo and pay a monthly fee to record tv shows. Cablecard will take off once they are standard on TVs and work two ways. My sister and brother-in-law's Sony SXRD television has a CableCard slot on the back. Unfortunately they live in Canada and Rogers does not and will not support CableCard as they are not subject to FCC regulations.
Once tru2way gets going with downloadable security, then I suspect rental boxes will start to be a thing of the past. I am sure the cable companies will still figure out a way to hit you for extra charges.
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Not to mention the nice streaming from my Netflix account and the ability to easily transfer my shows to my mobile devices. |
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said by nightdesigns :As a tivo owner, I resent your comment. I picked up a Tivo HD for $150, which is reasonable, and my monthly fees are considerably less for a DVR from my cable company. Cox wants $18/mo for a HD-DVR that only holds 20 hours. I pay $10/mo + $2 for the cable card and I have 400 hours of space. Are you joking. It makes no sense to have to pay a monthly fee to record TV shows. Why would you do that????
My Windows Media Center does everything a Tivo does and more. Also back in the day Replay TV was free, but Tivo sued them out of business because they were ruining their rip off market. Real DVRs require no monthly fees.
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| said by r81984 :said by nightdesigns :As a tivo owner, I resent your comment. I picked up a Tivo HD for $150, which is reasonable, and my monthly fees are considerably less for a DVR from my cable company. Cox wants $18/mo for a HD-DVR that only holds 20 hours. I pay $10/mo + $2 for the cable card and I have 400 hours of space. Are you joking. It makes no sense to have to pay a monthly fee to record TV shows. Why would you do that???? My Windows Media Center does everything a Tivo does and more. Also back in the day Replay TV was free, but Tivo sued them out of business because they were ruining their rip off market. Real DVRs require no monthly fees. No jokes.
Lets see I'd easily pay $800 for a Dual HD tuner HTPC what would look good in my entertainment center. This PC would probably need to be replaced in 3 years.
I paid $150 for my HD Tivo and pay $10/month for service.
Lets do the math. $150 + (36*10) = $510
$510 or $800?
The PC would be easier to upgrade and have more flexibility, and could be cheaper if you went with a Linux solution. But sometimes the wife wants something easy to point and click to use without a hicup EVER.
All in all it's a matter of what's important to the end user and certainly isn't as simple as you would like it to seem. |
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| said by Neyland :said by r81984 :said by nightdesigns :As a tivo owner, I resent your comment. I picked up a Tivo HD for $150, which is reasonable, and my monthly fees are considerably less for a DVR from my cable company. Cox wants $18/mo for a HD-DVR that only holds 20 hours. I pay $10/mo + $2 for the cable card and I have 400 hours of space. Are you joking. It makes no sense to have to pay a monthly fee to record TV shows. Why would you do that???? My Windows Media Center does everything a Tivo does and more. Also back in the day Replay TV was free, but Tivo sued them out of business because they were ruining their rip off market. Real DVRs require no monthly fees. No jokes. Lets see I'd easily pay $800 for a Dual HD tuner HTPC what would look good in my entertainment center. This PC would probably need to be replaced in 3 years. I paid $150 for my HD Tivo and pay $10/month for service. Lets do the math. $150 + (36*10) = $510 $510 or $800? The PC would be easier to upgrade and have more flexibility, and could be cheaper if you went with a Linux solution. But sometimes the wife wants something easy to point and click to use without a hicup EVER. All in all it's a matter of what's important to the end user and certainly isn't as simple as you would like it to seem. Why would you have to replace your PC every 3 years???
Also I built my MCE PC for under $200 and hooked it up to my LCD TV. Also my computer illiterate girlfriend has no problem using it. I do not see how it is hard to use MCE.
If you cant use MCE then you will never be able to use a Tivo or even a digital cable box.
Can you put your own downloaded movies on a Tivo? Or does that cost extra per month?
Also I could make a Dual HD tuner MCE for about $300 and one with cablecard support for about $400 to $500. All without a monthly fee.
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| Just part of future planning. We schedule computer replacement every three years or so for no other reason than moving technology.
I find it very hard to believe a quality HTPC can be built for $200 or even $500 being a Microsoft OS OEM from Newegg alone is $99, $100 per HD tuner, $80 cheap MB, $80 cheap CPU, $120 decent case, $70 HD, $60 good quiet PS, etc etc.
I don't download movies except via Netflix, but Tivo will handle Amazon movies, YouTube, and Disney.
It will also transfer pictures, music, and some video (not sure what types.. never done it) from any PC on your network to your Tivo unit to play on your TV.
The Netflix integretion works real well though. We've been pretty happy since it was a free add on. |
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said by r81984 :Are you joking. It makes no sense to have to pay a monthly fee to record TV shows. Why would you do that???? As the owner of two hi-def TiVos, I resent your original post and this reply. I don't pay monthly fees because I have lifetime service on both TiVos. Of course, I paid for one of my lifetime services back in 2000 (8 years ago) which was transferred to one of my hi-def TiVos.
said by r81984 :My Windows Media Center does everything a Tivo does and more. Windows? Enough said. 
said by r81984 :Real DVRs require no monthly fees. Tell that to the cable companies  |
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said by r81984 :Also I could make a Dual HD tuner MCE for about $300 and one with cablecard support for about $400 to $500. All without a monthly fee. And, that right there, you've blown the "MCE is cheaper" argument right out of the water. HD tivos are dual tuner and support cable cards. You're required to have cable card capabilities to get the digital channels from the cable company ... unless you want cable boxes to feed each encoder, and those have a monthly rental fee.
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| said by nightdesigns :said by r81984 :Also I could make a Dual HD tuner MCE for about $300 and one with cablecard support for about $400 to $500. All without a monthly fee. And, that right there, you've blown the "MCE is cheaper" argument right out of the water. HD tivos are dual tuner and support cable cards. You're required to have cable card capabilities to get the digital channels from the cable company ... unless you want cable boxes to feed each encoder, and those have a monthly rental fee. MCE is cheaper, no monthly fee and more features.
Also, cable companies are moving to switch digital video right now. It is only a short matter of time before your HD Tivo is worthless without an external box to make it work. Some markets already have switched digital video.
It makes no sense to buy an HD Tivo knowing it is already obsolete.
At least with a MCE you can upgrade it to support any new technology.
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said by myosh :I resent your original post and this reply. I don't pay monthly fees because I have lifetime service on both TiVos. Of course, I paid for one of my lifetime services back in 2000 (8 years ago) which was transferred to one of my hi-def TiVos. What's the point of a lifetime subscription when you have to pay $200 to transfer it to a newer Tivo.
When they have true2way come out for switched digital video you will have to pay $400 on top of the price for two new Tivos.
Also, I just cannot understand why you have to pay a monthly fee or a fake lifetime subscription for a Tivo.
The TV guides are free so what does the monthly fee pay for?
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That's not entirely true.
Only Time Warner Cable has REALLY rolled out SDV.
SDV plans so far appears to have been scrapped by Comcast, instead they are just planning to rip analog channels as fast and easily as they can get away with.
COX rolled it out to portions of Arizona, but in other areas (like Oklahoma City) upgraded to a full 1 GHz cable plant to avoid it.
Cisco (Scientific Atlanta) and Motorola both have SDV Tuning Adapters ready for TiVo HD/Series3 when the cable companies that DO offer SDV get off thier a** and actually deploy them in the field at full speed. |
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said by r81984 :Also, cable companies are moving to switch digital video right now. It is only a short matter of time before your HD Tivo is worthless without an external box to make it work. Some markets already have switched digital video. Once again, your information about Tivos is incorrect. While the stock Tivo didn't have 2-way cable card access designed into it, tivo has released a "Tuning Resolver" that takes care of that issue. The product is being offered and installed at no charge by most cable companies.
Related to that, PCs equipped with cable cards run into the exact same 1-way communications. Your MCE PC will have the same SDV limitations as a tivo, but without a workaround. Also, per the terms of Cable Labs and Microsoft, an end user cannot build a MCE computer with Cable Card support. Only OEM manufactures have the ability to build, and certify, a system. Both are cable labs requirements for the system to work. If you find a work-around, most likely no cable companies will touch it because they are required to install and activate in approved systems only. A home-built PC, is not one.
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There is no avoiding the upgrade.
If you want tru2way then you have to buy a new Tivo and if you have a fake lifetime subscription you loose it unless they let you switch for a lot of money.
For the price of all of that, you might as well just get MCE PC and get more for your money.
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said by nightdesigns :said by r81984 :Also, cable companies are moving to switch digital video right now. It is only a short matter of time before your HD Tivo is worthless without an external box to make it work. Some markets already have switched digital video. Once again, your information about Tivos is incorrect. While the stock Tivo didn't have 2-way cable card access designed into it, tivo has released a "Tuning Resolver" that takes care of that issue. The product is being offered and installed at no charge by most cable companies. Related to that, PCs equipped with cable cards run into the exact same 1-way communications. Your MCE PC will have the same SDV limitations as a tivo, but without a workaround. Also, per the terms of Cable Labs and Microsoft, an end user cannot build a MCE computer with Cable Card support. Only OEM manufactures have the ability to build, and certify, a system. Both are cable labs requirements for the system to work. If you find a work-around, most likely no cable companies will touch it because they are required to install and activate in approved systems only. A home-built PC, is not one. Wow, thanks for admitting you have no idea what you are talking about.
You can build a MCE cable card PC right now. You do not have to buy it from OEM manufactures.
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| said by r81984 :Wow, thanks for admitting you have no idea what you are talking about. You can build a MCE cable card PC right now. You do not have to buy it from OEM manufactures. Then enlighten me and show me where I can find the parts. What I've seen has shown me otherwise, but maybe I'm wrong. Prove me wrong then.
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said by r81984 :My Windows Media Center does everything a Tivo does and more. Really? Does it record shows from premium cable channels like HBO without using a cable box? My cableCARD equipped Tivo does that. I also do not pay a monthly fee since there are lifetime subscription options for Tivo. My cableCARD only cost $1.50 a month from Comcast. Their DVR was $15 and and HD cable box was $10 a month. |
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