Re: Battery bias? in Digital Imaging Technology

Re: Battery bias? in Digital Imaging Technology http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r21649399 en Mon, 30 Nov 2009 10:21:59 EDT Mon, 30 Nov 2009 10:21:59 EDT Re: Battery bias? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21684107 boogi man : well my AA cameras both of them were apparently picky but it has been MY actual experience that proprietary batteries work just fine better so far than rechargeable batteries. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21684107 Mon, 05 Jan 2009 11:54:02 EDT Re: Battery bias? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21678992 jjoshua : Proprietary batteries are easier to use.

3rd party batteries are pretty inexpensive on ebay and sometimes they perform better than OEM. Buy a few extra and never worry about running out of juice.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21678992 Sun, 04 Jan 2009 11:31:43 EDT Re: Battery bias? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21677677 Hayward :

said by fiestaware

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But your question about transferring the lens to a digital is a good one. We're talking about a 30+ year old Tamron, so I have my doubts - nevertheless, I'll be asking at my camera shop thanks to you.

Not sure about the Minioltas but a nice plus with the Pentax K SLR's.... ANY lens made for a Pentax with work with them (though m42's require an adapter) But the camera will work with them to their limitation.... obvious auto modes not working with manual lenses, though you can still get effective aperture priority automation.

And becuase the IS is internal to the body, ANY lens you put on one will be stabilized, even the most antique M42.
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said by Pentaxian

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Going from a 35mm Minolta SLR to ANY P&S is a major step backwards in image quality.

I'm not certain as I never kept up with Minolta but, are there any new DSLR's that you can use your Minolta SLR lenses on?

Sorry for the delay, but since it was OT I held off. Also, the differences between an old Minolta SLR & digital P&S are far from secret...

But your question about transferring the lens to a digital is a good one. We're talking about a 30+ year old Tamron, so I have my doubts - nevertheless, I'll be asking at my camera shop thanks to you.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21667001 Thu, 01 Jan 2009 18:22:06 EDT Re: Battery bias? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21664478 Kearnstd : packs also load easier, now prepping for a day of shooting this is a null issue. but in the field id rather swap packs with the ease of slide out and slide in and go.
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Secondly, think what you will, but the rest of the World disagrees.

Also, how do you figure proprietary battery adds extra $50-$100 to cost!? That doesn't even make sense, lol. Considering you can even get quality aftermarket batteries for around $10 or so each for any camera on Ebay, lol.

There is a reason most manufacturers are switching to battery packs.

There is also a reason Pros shoot cameras that allow battery packs, reason manufacturers don't make pro level equipment without battery packs, reason many manufacturers are doing away with anything but battery packs.

Your arguments may have held some weight 5 years ago, but doesn't today, sorry.

Heck, 2 battery packs and you can shoot thousands of shots, how much more you need!? My batteries are years old and still going strong, so your argument about replacing in a year or 2 is invalid as well.

But, it is your choice to go with a lesser quality camera to full fill your outdated reasons, and for the most part, invalid as well. And, lastly, why even bother to make a thread and ask, when you don't bother to even listen to anyone anyways!? :(
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Frankly, I'm not convinced; proprietary batteries - in reality - mean adding an add'l ~$50-100 to the purchase price of those cameras, plus the expense (and nuisance!) of adding the same cost again a couple of years down the line. That can easily push a $400 Pana LX3 (for example) nearer to the $500-600 price point. Suddenly seems not worth it.

Even with the seeming availability of "affordable" 3rd party substitutions, the other problem of universal availability is not solved. The site referenced ^above doesn't carry batteries for the first four camera models I checked. And I sometimes go places where electricity is scarce and camera shoppes are non-existent. What would I do then? I would cry, is what.

So rather than get a beautiful TZ5 or G9 that'll make me cry, I'm probably getting an SX model.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21660253 Wed, 31 Dec 2008 11:17:19 EDT Re: Battery bias? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21659585 gugarci : Yes, Sterling Tek's.
»www.sterlingtek.com/index.html]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21659585 Wed, 31 Dec 2008 08:05:36 EDT Re: Battery bias? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21659434 Hayward :

said by Jodokast96

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Never really had an issue with an proprietary batteries. My 9 year old Sony camcorder batteries still function well. Having just picked up another camera that does use AA's, I still don't prefer them. Don't rule out good cameras just for this reason.

Nor I either.... the question is.... is there a 3rd party just as good battery available for no a BAZZILION $$$ (often not the case for many...SONY and Canon particularly guilty)

My Pentax K10 and 20D DSLR's use proprietary batteries (though the same), but third party batteries available at $20 vs $100 AND higher capacity to boot. (Also common to some Minolta cams maybe why... so in a way not entirely proprietary...as SONY often is even cam to cam in their own lines)
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21659434 Wed, 31 Dec 2008 05:33:53 EDT Re: Battery bias? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21659431 Hayward :

said by boogi man

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if you like spending money and spending money then get one that takes AA's otherwise a spare and the OE battery do just fine. I have a fuji that uses AA's and i hate it becasue of that. my pentax and panasonic and cannon all use proprietery Li-ion and they do great just a few cents to charge.

i also tried the ni metal hydride rechargeable types and they didnt work so good because of the lower voltage 1.2 each vs 1.5 each.

Unless you have a camera that is voltage critical... had Canon 560 that was that way, but not the 720is... that is pure nonsese.

Rechargeables keep that 1.25 volts there enntire life until just before death... alkalines and other normal batteries start at 1.5 for a SHORT time and go well below 1.25 inshort order... and again a cam that is overly vlotage sensitive you are going to run into the same problems.

Its not the batteries its the hardware design.

But also have a Canon SX-100 (also 720is before) that uses AA's... very good liftime with NiMH 2500mah NiMH... and not a big deal to carry an extra pair in back pocket...rarely used but for letting things go for days..... worst come to worst... alkalines fromt the corner drug store... not an option with proprietary. Unless alot of FLASH, almost never went through a set in a day.

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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21659431 Wed, 31 Dec 2008 05:30:44 EDT Re: Battery bias? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21658905 normat : There are also the 3rs party alternatives to OEM batteries. When you factor their cost in compared to other alternatives it becomes a bargain. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21658905 Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:04:59 EDT Re: Battery bias? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21657555 GlobalMind : On rechargeables, I've been using the Sanyo Eneloop AA cells in my 580EX II shoe flash on the 20D.

I also use these in my Golflogix GPS unit. But I'll also say I've used the Energizer units with good results.

I realize the proprietary batteries are on the pricey side, but really I've had good luck with them. I have four Li-ion packs for my 20D, and they've performed flawlessly. One set I've had since I got the camera in 2006, the other pair I picked up before last year's Rolex 24.

One set has lasted me the entire Rolex 24 weekend, 1200 or so shots. I could NEVER say that about AA cells on my old P&S. I'd be changing out cells 3-4 times a day. Total FAIL in my view.
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Meanwhile, my wife's P&S camera is having battery problems. We put charged reusable batteries in it and she was good for a day before it said it needed new batteries. So we decided to use non-rechargables (thinking perhaps our charger or batteries were bad). Well, she opened a package, stuck them in, and the indicator decided to flash red! So while she has to constantly swap out new AA batteries (or risk that the indicator is correct), I'm fine with my Li-ion pack.
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All our digital cameras except for the Panasonic LZ2 use them. No issues at all. Never even had the need for a 2nd battery on our Panasonic FZ8 out shooting for the day either!

Also, as for your choices, I vote for the Panasonic. If you check around they are winning just about every test/comparison/competition on each level of camera! Yes, they did beat out the G10 as well from Canon. The FZ28 is an amazing camera! And if you are printing normal sized pictures you will NOT see any difference between it and your 35mm Minolta, if anything, the Panasonic images will look a bit better due to the in camera processing done. ;).

P.S. Also, with 3rd party manufacturers like SterlingTek making battery packs for almost all cameras, you can buy extra battery packs dirt cheap, and they actually last longer and out perform the OEM ones too!
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I bought 2 more aftermarket 2000 mah batteries 18 months ago for a vacation in Europe and these still give the same number of shots as the day they were new.

The strange thing is that around 2002 I bought three sets of NIMH AA's for my old Nikon 950 and although the camera is long gone, I still use the AA's for my present flash and they work great getting at least 100 or so flashes per charge. I can only guess that they lasted so long because they do not have that many charge cycles on them.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21651245 Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:46:48 EDT Re: Battery bias? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21650904 Jodokast96 :

said by fiestaware

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Guy-at-camera-shop says that the ($60-80) Li-ions last a year and a half. Is he underestimating here?

I'd say yes. The Li-Ions in my DSLR are still as good as the day I got them 18 months ago. And like I said earlier, my 9 year old camcorder Li-Ions are still running strong. I haven't checked recently to see just how well, but I'm more than confident in saying that I'm still getting a minimum of 75% of their original capacity.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21650904 Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:30:13 EDT Re: Battery bias? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21650441 fiestaware : But a good set of (affordable - under $20) NiMH AAs can last nearly two years if treated properly.

Guy-at-camera-shop says that the ($60-80) Li-ions last a year and a half. Is he underestimating here?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21650441 Mon, 29 Dec 2008 11:47:26 EDT Re: Battery bias? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21650400 Pentaxian : Going from a 35mm Minolta SLR to ANY P&S is a major step backwards in image quality.

I'm not certain as I never kept up with Minolta but, are there any new DSLR's that you can use your Minolta SLR lenses on?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21650400 Mon, 29 Dec 2008 11:39:30 EDT Re: Battery bias? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21649399 Jodokast96 : Never really had an issue with an proprietary batteries. My 9 year old Sony camcorder batteries still function well. Having just picked up another camera that does use AA's, I still don't prefer them. Don't rule out good cameras just for this reason.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21649399 Mon, 29 Dec 2008 03:38:41 EDT Re: Battery bias? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21649394 boogi man : if you like spending money and spending money then get one that takes AA's otherwise a spare and the OE battery do just fine. I have a fuji that uses AA's and i hate it becasue of that. my pentax and panasonic and cannon all use proprietery Li-ion and they do great just a few cents to charge.

i also tried the ni metal hydride rechargeable types and they didnt work so good because of the lower voltage 1.2 each vs 1.5 each.

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21649394 Mon, 29 Dec 2008 03:34:13 EDT Re: Battery bias? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21649025 Kearnstd : i think in the long run the rechargable Li-Ion systems will give you more shots and if you carry a spare you would likely fill two memory cards before being out of juice.
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I'd seriously consider certain Panasonics, the Canon G9/10, etc. if it weren't for the lack of AA power. This forces me into a narrower range of camera models (i.e. the Canon SXs) but should it?

Please offer any advice or arguments you have about this matter. I'd love to hear them since I'm really on the fence.

Thanks!

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