fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
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kudos:3 | reply to Dogfather
Re: Prices didn't increase? said by Dogfather:That would be news to Cox who just took a 7.2% HSI increase in my market a couple of months ago. Well, being that this analysis talks about the industry as a whole, and not one market, or even one player, I'd say that the crust of the article remains solid in its statement. |
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 DogfatherPremium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | Cable HSI prices were subject to periodic increases in prices before FiOS and have been proved to be subject to periodic increases despite FiOS.
The crust of the article is bullshit. The only thing that is changing is how cable operators lie in their advertising trying to pass off their HFC networks as "fiber" networks. |
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fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | said by Dogfather:Cable HSI prices were subject to periodic increases in prices before FiOS and have been proved to be subject to periodic increases despite FiOS. "Subject to periodic increases"... um, EVERYTHING is subject to periodic price increases.. so what's so unique about this? At large, the HSI pricing has gone down, not up.
You, and others, need to stop thinking that FiOS is the Holy Grail; it's not.
The crust of the article is bullshit. The only thing that is changing is how cable operators lie in their advertising trying to pass off their HFC networks as "fiber" networks.
Um, is there fiber in them? Maybe telephone should take your same advice and stop calling their systems "digital" and "fiber networks" too.. really, stop being so one sided in your spin here. What's good for one is good for the other, well, in the real world that is - not here.
Both cable and phone have been using fiber optics in their networks most likely longer than you were arm-chairing here on sites like BBR. There is no "bullshit" unless you want to make that part of your slant. You DO know what the "F" in "HFC" means, right?
Even the FiOS network has non fiber as part of it, doesn't it? I'm going to take a page out of many other BBR's pages here and call foul on what you said.. so long as there is a scrap of coax running in the "system" then its not a 100% digital/fiber network. The portion from the ONT to the devices in the house is coax. People here have, for months, called foul on the term Digital Voice and how cable operators call their phone service "100% digital".. they claim that it can't be so long as there is any twisted pair or ribbon cord going to your receiver into your ear. (Again, a long stretch, I agree) but the argument here is that its not 100% anything when it's passed off to analog at some point.
The bottom line is that they all do it, yet you single out Cable over phone. FiOS is a PRODUCT of a phone company, not a technology and not a company other than Verizon. The fact that fiber runs up to the home doesn't necessarily make it any more or less effective than what AT&T or Cable is doing in their hybrid systems. The only place it matters is in the heads of some people here who are living for the day of Utopia.
I want to ask the real question here that no one thinks about or, as I see it, would rather stick their heads in the ground like a bird. "How exactly do you people expect to wire up the country with fiber and who is going to pay for it - and with what money?" The answer is simple.. you don't have one. I think the priority in this country would lay at the feet of fixing roads and bridges in this country FAR before we worry about laying fiber networks at un-believable price tags that are NOT sustainable right now in a time of economic devastation so that people can steal from torrent sites or rent movies a little cheaper and more convenient than they do today.
It's time to take off the tinfoil hats, put away the absurd conspiracy theories, and stop playing play-detective in every "marketing" piece ever put out and come life in the real world. |
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DogfatherPremium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA
4 edits | Oh Brother.
The article was bogus as cable HSI rates increased before FIOS and increased after FIOS. The claims by some cable operators like Cox and TWC of having fiber networks are bogus because only a fraction of the network has fiber and last mile certainly isn't. Those ads are designed to deceive people into thinking their HFC networks are state-of-the-art like FiOS when they absolutely aren't.
Now everyone here knows you are compelled by some innate force to jump to the defense of your coaxial masters every time someone dare question their greatness but give the shilling a rest. We all know you love the cable industry.
Enjoy ignore (shouldn't have taken you off). |
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fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3
1 edit | Please - hit ignore now.
Since when does a fiber network set the standards that all must live by? Who are you, of all people, to say that a cable operator can't state they have a state of the art network simply becuase VERIZON )get it straight) ran fiber further to the home? (For the record, Verizon wasn't the first to run fiber to the home.. it's been done since before 2000 by other companies)
Also, more babble.. you need to speak only for yourself and not others. You may want to say dumb things like "everyone knows" etc.. but more people just aren't brave to speak against the liberal elite here on BBR as I am. Many of my supportive messages come through private messages. Sorry to blow your theory, but 1) I don't have a think for cable. 2) Not everyone things like you here. 3) You see only what you want to see by your own one sided blindness. That's your problem though.
People with nothing to say attack the user for their own beliefs instead of sticking to the topic at hand, such as you and so many others. If you had read the very post you replied to, you'd realize that I slammed both cable and phone for doing the same thing.. you, of course, have a phone industry filter on and didn't see that so of course you only saw cable. Besides, it was you that attacked cable only and didn't include AT&T for doing the very same thing that cable does.. remember, they also have a hybrid network with fiber and twisted pair; you only chose to slam cable.
If you can't have an honest conversation and see past your own anger, that's your problem, not mine.
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