said by N3OGH :

OK, so with that said, are you ready to "man up" and admit the policies of the Clinton administration were responsible for the lapses that led to 9-11?

said by N3OGH :

SHRUG.....

said by pnh102 :

I'll agree with you that it isn't fair to blame Obama yet as he hasn't taken office. Furthermore, his election has spurred retail sales in the gun industry to record levels, so on that note, he has caused an economic stimulus of sorts. :)

However, Obama's idea of taxing the rich has been proven to be a complete and total failure when it comes to raising revenue for the government. Furthermore, Obama's stimulus plan, if you could call it that, comes straight out of the playbook written by John Maynard Keynes and implemented by FDR during the Great Depression. FDR's policies of getting us out of the Great Depression were all complete failures, as they all failed to end the Great Depression.

Unless Obama plans to get us into a major World War, it is going to be a long, dark 4 years should he implement what he says he's going to implement.

said by markwp2001 :

Didn't Clinton raise taxes on the rich? How'd the economy do during his administration? ;)

said by DaveNJ :

Well with Congresses lowest rating ever recorded, how could you expect anything. Could we starting blaming Obama now ? He said he wanted to stop investments, and tax the rich. How is that going to spur growth ?

said by DaveNJ :

Did 911 happen during the Clinton adminstration ?

said by markwp2001 :

Huh?

It's awesome how one mention of Clinton sends right wing wackos into a sputtering mess :D

said by DaveNJ :

How is taking money out of circulation , increase spending ?

said by markwp2001 :

Didn't Clinton raise taxes on the rich? How'd the economy do during his administration? ;)

said by nasadude :

hell, even Reagan raised taxes on the rich.

said by wvcaver :

Why not ? It worked blaming Bush !

said by pnh102 :

I'll agree with you that it isn't fair to blame Obama yet as he hasn't taken office. Furthermore, his election has spurred retail sales in the gun industry to record levels, so on that note, he has caused an economic stimulus of sorts. :)

However, Obama's idea of taxing the rich has been proven to be a complete and total failure when it comes to raising revenue for the government. Furthermore, Obama's stimulus plan, if you could call it that, comes straight out of the playbook written by John Maynard Keynes and implemented by FDR during the Great Depression. FDR's policies of getting us out of the Great Depression were all complete failures, as they all failed to end the Great Depression.

Unless Obama plans to get us into a major World War, it is going to be a long, dark 4 years should he implement what he says he's going to implement.

said by Mike :

You can blame Obama any time you want. It just depends when you want to look like a fool.

said by DaveNJ :

So your claiming that only Bush tax cuts are responsible for the economy, not the wreck less lending, forced by CRA, and other liberal groups. ...

said by pnh102 :

You do know that the Great Depression did not end until we got into World War 2, right? Just as a refresher on your history, that did not happen until the end of 1941. If FDR's programs had worked, the Depression would have ended far sooner than that.

President Herbert Hoover, a Republican and former Commerce secretary, believed the government should monitor the economy and encourage counter-cyclical spending to ease downturns, but not directly intervene. As the jobless population grew, he resisted calls from Congress, governors, and mayors to combat unemployment by financing public service jobs. He encouraged the creation of such jobs, but said it was up to state and local governments to pay for them. He also believed that relieving the suffering of the unemployed was solely up to local governments and private charities.

By 1932 the unemployment rate had soared past 20 percent. Thousands of banks and businesses had failed. Millions were homeless.

Roosevelt later created a large-scale temporary jobs program during the winter of 1933–34. The Civil Works Administration employed more than four million men and women at jobs from building and repairing roads and bridges, parks, playgrounds and public buildings to creating art. Unemployment, however, persisted at high levels. That led the administration to create a permanent jobs program, the Works Progress Administration. The W.P.A. began in 1935 and would last until 1943, employing 8.5 million people and spending $11 billion as it transformed the national infrastructure, made clothing for the poor, and created landmark programs in art, music, theater and writing.

Roosevelt’s efforts to assert government control over the economy were frustrated by Supreme Court rulings that overturned key pieces of legislation. In response, Roosevelt made the misstep of trying to “pack” the Supreme Court with additional justices. Congress rejected this 1937 proposal and turned against further New Deal measures, but not before the Social Security Act creating old-age pensions went into effect.

Brightening economic prospects were dashed in 1937 by a deep recession that lasted from that fall through most of 1938. The new downturn rolled back gains in industrial production and employment, prolonged the Depression and caused Roosevelt to increase the work relief rolls of the W.P.A. to their highest level ever.

said by pnh102 :

Which happen to be 100% true. Go back and read up on your history if you are still not convinced.

said by nasadude :

got any links or citations to back up that claim about taxing the rich not raising revenue? that statement appears ludicrous on it's face.

Obviously, Bush's tax cuts were great for the economy as we can see by the wonderful prosperity and happiness all around us today.

with regard to your comments on FDR's policies, you are doing nothing more than parroting right wing talking points.

said by nasadude :

got any links or citations to back up that claim about taxing the rich not raising revenue? that statement appears ludicrous on it's face.

said by nasadude :

Obviously, Bush's tax cuts were great for the economy as we can see by the wonderful prosperity and happiness all around us today.

said by nasadude :

with regard to your comments on FDR's policies, you are doing nothing more than parroting right wing talking points.

said by pnh102 :

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However, Obama's idea of taxing the rich has been proven to be a complete and total failure when it comes to raising revenue for the government. Furthermore, Obama's stimulus plan, if you could call it that, comes straight out of the playbook written by John Maynard Keynes and implemented by FDR during the Great Depression. FDR's policies of getting us out of the Great Depression were all complete failures, as they all failed to end the Great Depression.

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said by maartena :

I know that there are people that will probably start blaming Obama for everything on January 21st, but those people probably don't quite understand how things work in Washington. :D

said by DaveNJ :

Well with Congresses lowest rating ever recorded, how could you expect anything. Could we starting blaming Obama now ? He said he wanted to stop investments, and tax the rich. How is that going to spur growth?

said by Mike :

You can blame Obama any time you want. It just depends when you want to look like a fool.

said by Mike :

You can blame Obama any time you want. It just depends when you want to look like a fool.