Fox McCloud
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|  well...
once the vast vast majority of the country has access to broadband, then I think VoIP will finally have its day in teh sun and the "price point of zero"--by then, there will be a lot more people who actually know what VoIP is and who are more accustomed to the Internet....that said, I don't think this will be a "dream" realize in the next 5 year...I'm thinking more on the end of 10-20 years down the road.
That said, the day when most everyone uses the Internet to make calls, and the price is zero (or very close to it), it'll definitely be very very nice...hopefully, by then, wideband will have taken over.
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TKJunkMail
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| said by Fox McCloud  :That said, the day when most everyone uses the Internet to make calls, and the price is zero (or very close to it), it'll definitely be very very nice...hopefully, by then, wideband will have taken over. The price point will never be ZERO as long as people need cust svc support to help them out with problems. People cost money and businesses will charge for that.
And before someone brings up the ad supported business plan, will you use a voice service that interrupts your call for a commercial? Say every 10 mins, you have to interrupt your conversation for a 30 sec ad(like a Hulu video).
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Fox McCloud
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| said by TKJunkMail :said by Fox McCloud :That said, the day when most everyone uses the Internet to make calls, and the price is zero (or very close to it), it'll definitely be very very nice...hopefully, by then, wideband will have taken over. The price point will never be ZERO as long as people need cust svc support to help them out with problems. People cost money and businesses will charge for that. And before someone brings up the ad supported business plan, will you use a voice service that interrupts your call for a commercial? Say every 10 mins, you have to interrupt your conversation for a 30 sec ad(like a Hulu video). let me rephrase that---for some VoIP, the price will probably be zero, but the only people that will use it are the tech savvy--the "near zero" will be the VoIP which has customer support.
now, if phones had a small video display, ad-supported VoIP might work :P
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priller
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Unfortunately, the cable co's have managed to convince the general public that their $40/month service is actually a great deal! Unbelievable. Of course, Joe Consumer has no clue that it's VoIP .... it's "digital voice", right?  |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
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said by Fox McCloud :once the vast vast majority of the country has access to broadband, Cosidering who ISPs don't care about providing service to people in rural areas I'd say this will happen um NEVER. |
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morbo
Complete Your Transaction
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i don't understand how consumers see $40/month for cable voice and think that's a better deal than telco's rip off. no one looking at the numbers? |
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Neyland
join:2003-02-04
USA
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said by priller :Unfortunately, the cable co's have managed to convince the general public that their $40/month service is actually a great deal! Unbelievable. Of course, Joe Consumer has no clue that it's VoIP .... it's "digital voice", right? I'm not sure if Comcast's telephone service really is a true VOIP.
Bottom line is people want a sense of security when it comes to their home/business phone number and as attractive as Vonage has made it cost wise, they really haven't shown how their product is secure and dependble enough for Joe Sixpack's mom and dad to jump on board.
And when I mean secure let's not all throw the wiretapping crap, we're talking about preditory private entities. |
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Kearnstd
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join:2002-01-22
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| reply to Fox McCloud
the big seperation between CDV and say Vonage is one you can usually get service that day if it goes out and Vonage is next open time slot because it is just CHSI out. and Residental internet is not high priority compaired to business and voice customers.
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hottboiinnc
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It would be simple to put a small ad on each out going call. All you have to do is insert the ad before the call is completed. a 15 second ad there would be nothing. Time and Temp. numbers do it. VoIP can do it. And look how many people used free dial-up providers back when those were hot. If it can be done with the Internet it can be done for Voice.
Cable Companies could have their day in the sun if they turned and peered their networks together and created a large VoIP to VoIP plan.
Free calling from any cable company to another that offers Digital Phone.
Would be a HUGE hit. Especially since they wouldn't have to pay to put the calls on to the PSTN if they could keep them on their network until it would reach the other cable network for peering. |
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CylonRed
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join:2000-07-06
Bloom County | reply to Fox McCloud
It is a pipe dream that you can offer a service for nothing. VOIP will never be free nor can it be free. |
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TKJunkMail
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said by hottboiinnc :It would be simple to put a small ad on each out going call. All you have to do is insert the ad before the call is completed. a 15 second ad there would be nothing. Time and Temp. numbers do it. VoIP can do it. And look how many people used free dial-up providers back when those were hot. If it can be done with the Internet it can be done for Voice. Cable Companies could have their day in the sun if they turned and peered their networks together and created a large VoIP to VoIP plan. Free calling from any cable company to another that offers Digital Phone. Would be a HUGE hit. Especially since they wouldn't have to pay to put the calls on to the PSTN if they could keep them on their network until it would reach the other cable network for peering. Except for the ad idea, I agree your other ideas make sense.
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fiberguy
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I don't know why, but it really angers me when I see people pushing the notion of a free service-anything.. especially something as important as telephone.
To me, I see it as someone trying to tear down a vital industry and associate it as a joke.
No matter how much wireless and mobility this nation has for communication, having a secure, stable, wired solution is a must. Wireless has way too many things that stand in the way to being labeled a lifeline service and always will.
But, as for the zero or near zero.. its a Utopian, as you said, pipe-dream that will never happen. I'm still waiting for the great day that MagicJack becomes a BBR front page news article that the owner was indited for running a ponzi-scheme or simply goes belly up. |
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fiberguy
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Ad run dial up wasn't as popular as you think and it didn't catch on. It died far before broadband became the norm. Personally, I will never use a phone service that I have to hear an ad before making a call.. don't care if its 15 seconds or 2 seconds.. ads do not belong in the telephone call.
The only issue I have with cable offering free calling from company to company is 1) it won't happen, that would cut a revenue stream they enjoy today. 2) I really don't like the idea of having a plan where some calls may be free and others are going to be charged. I, like many, like predictability which is why the flat rate telephone plan is more popular than a measured rate plan is.
If cable wanted to offer a reduced rate plan and offered free in-calling, great, but I doubt it would ever be industry wide. Even then, what comes with such a plan is ultimately always going to be that stick that comes with the carrot. You're going then have a side of the plan that is measured for other calls. No thanks. 
$25 a month for Vonage and $40 a month for comcast CVD is perfectly in the norm for a guy like me that grew up with $80 to $250 phone bills each month. Maybe having this kind of a past is why I have a really hard time seeing people bitch over spending $25 a month, even, for vonage or the $40 or even $50 that cable charges. |
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hottboiinnc
ME
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Cleveland, OH
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| I didnt say anywhere in my post where cable companies would charge extra for calls that were not peered. I said they could offer them for free. As in the local and regional calling plans that many cable companies offer. Plus it would attract more people to their phone system that would pay for maybe 500 minutes of calling a day plus get free Cableco to CableCo calls.
Cable companies would still get their money. Plus it would lower their cost to connect to the PSTN.
$250 for a phone bill isnt much compared to when you have a $500 per month like i did for family that went to England when their Vonage or 'Net would go down and you had to call their actual UK number. |
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fiberguy
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said by priller :Unfortunately, the cable co's have managed to convince the general public that their $40/month service is actually a great deal! Unbelievable. Of course, Joe Consumer has no clue that it's VoIP .... it's "digital voice", right? How old are you? Can't be that old to be honest. You've probably never seen a $50 to $250 phone bill in your life, huh?
With that in mind, I think THAT is how come people see $40 a month as not only a 'great deal' but a fabulously fantastic STEAL of a deal.
I also find a great deal wrong with your post period. Cable companies have managed to have a great deal for many reasons. For one, $40 is extremely cheap considering that telephone still can't touch that price point with copper, but players like AT&T will so long as they have television plans (uverse). Second, the cable companies didn't have to convince the public of anything.. the public isn't stupid and can figure it out on their own. $40 a month is a good deal considering we just came from an era of telephone charging a butt and arm for dial tone service with in this very decade. To this day, I can STILL pay MORE for the long distance side's base rate than the local dial-tone side at any major provider.
What I also find wrong is that people will still compare a service like Vonage to that of a managed phone provider like Cable or Telephone.. they are clearly in a different class.. and this comes from someone that has Qwest (1 line for stability + DSL), Comcast CDV (4 lines) and Vonage (2 lines)..
it's not unbelievable at all. |
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voipguy
join:2006-05-31
Forest Hills, NY
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Already peering
Some cable companies are ALREADY peering with one-another for voice (though only a few so far). Cable "digital voice" plans already charge a flat fee for unlimited US and Canada calling, so whether peered or not these calls are already essentially free to the end customer. Cable companies love not having to pay IXCs to handle these calls.
The real beauty of voip peering is that is allows better call quality (fewer codecs) and can also permit video telephony. |
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hottboiinnc
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| Cable companies pay to terminate to the PSTN. They're charges are just much less since they terminate so many. Many even use CLECs to do this. Or like TWC in Ohio they use Sprint.
but many offer local and regional only plans that save money to the customer (TWC is one of the majors that offer local and regional plans on top of the Unlimited). It would give people that lower their bills plus allow the Cable companies to gain more customers.
It's not about saving money for the customer by peering. But getting them on Digital Voice/VoIP and keeping them there while giving them what they want. Especially if Grandma who has TWC in NYC and wants to call her Grandson in CA on Comcast. She would be able to save money by having her local calling but also talking to him for free due to Comcast and TWC could peer and keep their calls ON NETWORK instead of going to the PSTN. |
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priller
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Re: well...
said by fiberguy :said by priller :Unfortunately, the cable co's have managed to convince the general public that their $40/month service is actually a great deal! Unbelievable. Of course, Joe Consumer has no clue that it's VoIP .... it's "digital voice", right? How old are you? Can't be that old to be honest. You've probably never seen a $50 to $250 phone bill in your life, huh? Personal attacks, real nice.
If you must know, I'm over 50 and have paid those prices. That's why I would never pay the excessive cost of CDV. I only use PAYG VoIP providers. I can't remember when my monthly phone bill has been over $10.
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Cthen
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said by hottboiinnc : And look how many people used free dial-up providers back when those were hot. If it can be done with the Internet it can be done for Voice. And where did all of those free providers go? Oh that's right, out of business even before broadband became an option for alot of people. So what reason is there for a VoIP provider to make the same mistake?
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fiberguy
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Asking you how old you are is not a personal attack. Being a little sensitive are you? .. or are you just not that good at separating emotion from a black and white text question?
I asked your age for a simple reason becuase most people that are YOUNGER do NOT understand or have ever seen a phone bill over $40 in their life, THAT'S why!
But anyway, if you are over 50 and have paid those kinds of bills before, I don't think you're being honest in calling a $40 service which includes both local and long distance as well as calling features that used to, alone, cost $40 excessive.
What I would call you is un-reasonable at best with that way of thinking. You're also trying to pass your $10 a month service off as normal when it's far from it; more of an exception to the 'norm'..
I'll accept your apology at anytime now for your inability to read a simple message and over react like so many do here. |
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