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Jeffrey too dark too early Premium join:2002-12-24 Dix Hills,NY clubs: ·Optimum Online ·Verizon FIOS ·Vonage ·magicjack.com	Needed for customers I'm sort of against the idea of the cap (please, no big flames on that), but back when DSLR broke the story in May, I was wondering how the average person was going to be able to meter their own use. One can't expect the average person to know how to keep track of their use in a single computer environment (with or without a router)--imagine a household with four or five computers, an Xbox 360, and other devices that download content. I'm glad Comcast is coming out with this for their customers, and assuming it's accurate and working properly, I think the 3hr time-delay is perfectly acceptable. -- "Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy." - George Carlin [my ramblings]
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TF join:2008-12-17 3 edits	Yeah, 3 hour delay isn't bad IMO. I was thinking it would be more like 24 hours. I'm sure the delay will get better in the future too. I guess customers will still be liable for the amount they download after during the delayed window.
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Jeffrey too dark too early Premium join:2002-12-24 Dix Hills,NY clubs: ·Optimum Online ·Verizon FIOS ·Vonage ·magicjack.com	said by TF : Yeah, 3 hour delay isn't bad IMO. I was thinking it would be more like 24 hours. I'm sure the delay will get better in the future too. I guess customers will still be liable for the amount they download after during the delayed window. If you're getting close to the 250GB cap with 3 hours to spare in the month, I think the best bet would just be to go read a book for 3 hours, or like you suggested, pay for the overage fees. -- "Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy." - George Carlin [my ramblings]
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bender Bite my shiny metal ass Premium join:2005-03-19 Evanston, IL clubs: ·T-Mobile US ·Vonage ·AT&T U-Verse ·AT&T Midwest ·Mediacom	reply to TF i'd like a fancy LCD display that hooks right up to the modem that announces when you've hit certain milestones (100gb, 150gb and so on). maybe it could start flashing or play some cool music too. even better, how about a ranking system for people to actually see how they do compared to other users. totally anonymous and on an opt-in basis only of course.
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fiberguy My views are my own. Premium join:2005-05-20	I think you're going to start seeing more of that. Belkin is already making a router that shows you the overall speed of your network connection. (though the router generally has poor reviews) I think you're going to start seeing that kind of stuff coming to be more normal soon.
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Phil Rojo Sol Premium join:2001-06-11 Camarillo, CA	reply to Jeffrey What would be even better is no caps at all, hence no need for the monitor.
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openbox9 join:2004-01-26 Alexandria, VA ·AT&T Southeast	reply to Jeffrey said by Jeffrey : I was wondering how the average person was going to be able to meter their own use. I doubt that average people have anything to worry about with a 250 GB/mth cap, whether they can monitor their usage or not.
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Jeffrey too dark too early Premium join:2002-12-24 Dix Hills,NY clubs: ·Optimum Online ·Verizon FIOS ·Vonage ·magicjack.com	said by openbox9 : said by Jeffrey : I was wondering how the average person was going to be able to meter their own use. I doubt that average people have anything to worry about with a 250 GB/mth cap, whether they can monitor their usage or not. This is probably true, but as more people get exposed to services that require large downloads, over time, the average person may need to become aware. -- "Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy." - George Carlin [my ramblings]
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Jeffrey too dark too early Premium join:2002-12-24 Dix Hills,NY clubs: ·Optimum Online ·Verizon FIOS ·Vonage ·magicjack.com	reply to Phil said by Phil : What would be even better is no caps at all, hence no need for the monitor. That would have been great, and I agree with you. Time for Comcast customers to rethink whether or not they want to continue services. -- "Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy." - George Carlin [my ramblings]
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openbox9 join:2004-01-26 Alexandria, VA	reply to Jeffrey Agreed. I also expect Comcast (and other providers) to increase their caps over time as infrastructure allows and applications/content become available that drive the average person's usage.
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deviationer join:2005-01-01 Portland, OR	reply to bender me want
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k1ll3rdr4g0n join:2005-03-19 Homer Glen, IL	reply to bender said by bender : i'd like a fancy LCD display that hooks right up to the modem that announces when you've hit certain milestones (100gb, 150gb and so on). maybe it could start flashing or play some cool music too. even better, how about a ranking system for people to actually see how they do compared to other users. totally anonymous and on an opt-in basis only of course. Hahahahaha oh man, give customers the ability to truthfully see the average bandwidth usage? Oh man, you crack me up. Next thing your going to tell me that Comcast was honest when they told everyone they didn't filter torrent traffic. I really think this is just all hot air. Especially when a large ISP says that only 1% will actually hit the cap? Either thats total BS, or they wont "enforce" it. For example, if you use 251GB they will let you slide, but use 500GB they will throw the book at you kind of thing. But, if they charge me 1 red penny over what my normal bill is, I am calling up and complaining/reporting to the BBB. Even if I was in the wrong, I still don't believe that caps are the solution to network congestion. Society doesn't learn, you must force its hands. If you don't want your network congested, make it so the users can't congest it. Sometimes the simplest solutions are the best solutions.
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BF69 join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN	reply to Jeffrey said by Jeffrey : said by Phil : What would be even better is no caps at all, hence no need for the monitor. That would have been great, and I agree with you. Time for Comcast customers to rethink whether or not they want to continue services. Most won't care because as of right now the vast majority won't go over the caps. Even I wouldn't come close to going over a 250 GB cap. Now in 2-3-4 years who knows. By then Comcast may increase the cap again so it still isn't an issue. TW is the one that is going to have issues with their caps very shortly after they institute them nationwide. 40 GB is a joke. At&t caps aren't much better.
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NOCMan Verizon Fios User Premium join:2004-09-30 Flower Mound, TX	reply to Jeffrey I'm just wondering how I go about getting credit for traffic I did not request. All these scans coming from various places is eating up my caps and I'm not happy. /sarcasm
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funchords Hello Premium,MVM join:2001-03-11 Washington, DC ·Verizon Online DSL ·Skype	reply to openbox9 said by openbox9 : I also expect Comcast (and other providers) to increase their caps over time as infrastructure allows and applications/content become available that drive the average person's usage. If there are caps in place, venture capitalists are less likely to invest in the development of bandwidth-using applications/content. -- Robb Topolski -= funchords.com =- Hillsboro, Oregon -- KJ7RL What you do at Christmas does not matter so much; What counts are the Christmas things you do all year through.
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major marco Res Firma Mitescere Nescit Premium join:2003-02-13 Stepford, CA clubs:	reply to k1ll3rdr4g0n said by k1ll3rdr4g0n : [...]if they charge me 1 red penny over what my normal bill is, I am calling up and complaining/reporting to the BBB. LMAO. The BBB is the bought and paid for whore for business. They don't give a damn about your consumer complaints. It's like going to the foxes guarding the henhouse and complaining that the guards are killing the hens. -- The Toll Tracking Lord Stanley
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funchords Hello Premium,MVM join:2001-03-11 Washington, DC ·Verizon Online DSL ·Skype	Yes, the BBB is a bought-and-paid-for reputation service. But, they've actually helped me more than once and they actually do help warn folks off of truly bad businesses. The point is moot because Comcast isn't charging for overages. -- Robb Topolski -= funchords.com =- Hillsboro, Oregon -- KJ7RL What you do at Christmas does not matter so much; What counts are the Christmas things you do all year through.
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openbox9 join:2004-01-26 Alexandria, VA ·AT&T Southeast	reply to funchords Are you suggesting that Internet applications/content will plateau at their current state when caps are imposed? I don't believe that to be true at all. If anything, we'll see better thought and efficiency in development of applications/content. Furthermore, if venture capitalists truly see dollar signs in future development of applications/content, they should seriously look at the venture from content development to delivery to the consumer when they're throwing money around. All too often around the Internet, it seems they forget about the "delivery to the consumer" part.
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funchords Hello Premium,MVM join:2001-03-11 Washington, DC ·Verizon Online DSL ·Skype	said by openbox9 : Are you suggesting that Internet applications/content will plateau at their current state when caps are imposed? I don't believe that to be true at all. If anything, we'll see better thought and efficiency in development of applications/content. Furthermore, if venture capitalists truly see dollar signs in future development of applications/content, they should seriously look at the venture from content development to delivery to the consumer when they're throwing money around. All too often around the Internet, it seems they forget about the "delivery to the consumer" part. Well can we start with the idiocy that is encapsulating .FLV in TCP? Secondly, I'll pay my ISP for my communications needs. I don't ever want the situation where my ISP is double-dealing behind my back -- steering me to the content he wants me to use because he's made a special deal with its provider. -- Robb Topolski -= funchords.com =- Hillsboro, Oregon -- KJ7RL What you do at Christmas does not matter so much; What counts are the Christmas things you do all year through.
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openbox9 join:2004-01-26 Alexandria, VA ·AT&T Southeast	said by funchords : I don't ever want the situation where my ISP is double-dealing behind my back -- steering me to the content he wants me to use because he's made a special deal with its provider. I meant for investors to build out infrastructure, not slip money into the greasy palms of incumbent ISPs.
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