pstewart
Premium,VIP
join:2005-10-12
Peterborough, ON
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Re: Please explain Peering
Ellwood - we got kinda side tracked picking on Bell (easily done)... did this thread answer your question? I'm a big fan of peering (from an ISP perspective) so if you're looking for more information feel free 
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jfmezei_anon
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| My take on why Bell doesn't peer is different.
When you're a large network, you want to have bilateral exchanges with transit providers so that you can eventually negotiate settlement free peering.
Bell is a glorified ISP that hosts a few web sites (banks for instance). Its network is fairly big though.
Sympatico customers generate unidirectional traffic, like most ISPs. But by forcing other canadian ISPs to go through the USA to reach a canadian bank's web site, it provides outbound traffic on the links and perhaps Bell hopes one day to have balanced in/out traffic and negotiate settlement free peering with major USA networks.
Peering with canadian ISPs would remove all the outbound traffic on Bell's links to the USA and make those like highly unbalanced.
And of course, by not peering, it forces competing canadian ISPs to pay for transit to access canadian web sites.
What I don't understand is why canadian banks are so stuck up on Bell cosnidering Bell provides the least amount of connectivitry with canadian ISPs. |
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pstewart
Premium,VIP
join:2005-10-12
Peterborough, ON
| For Bell I'm sure it's been a business decision not to partake in TorIX (which would be the logical public peering point for them to paricipate currently) for whatever reasons - but it's also important to note that in the US they don't really do much peering neither compared to some other Canadian ISP's.
Bell (AS577) is present at the following locations that I'm aware of:
Chicago Equinix
Ashburn Equinix
New York PAIX
Palo Alto PAIX
Seattle PAIX
That's only five locations in the US of which I'm only aware of them doing public peering (versus private peering) on two of those locations. Considering their size, that's not very impressive or appealing.
When you compare it to Rogers (AS812) they are "peering friendly". Not only do they participate in TorIX but also in some selected US exchanges as well (Ashburn, Chicago, Newark, New York for public peering at least). To me, in my opinion at least - this makes a lot of sense for them to take on an aggressive role in peering with other providers.
If Bell would come out of the clouds, they could see that peering works well (in most cases) for a provider... |
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Robrr
join:2008-04-19
Toronto, ON
1 edit | QIX(Montreal) and BCIX(Vancouver) should be on that list of Bell peering locations as well |
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pstewart
Premium,VIP
join:2005-10-12
Peterborough, ON
1 edit | said by Robrr  :QIX(Montreal) and BCIX(Vancouver) should be on that list of Bell peering locations as well Sorry, you're right - I missed QIX as it's so small. Are they actually peering at QIX with anyone or just selling transit?
BC - I've heard of BCNET and rumours of some others... any details by chance? Just curious as nearby Seattle is a hot spot for peering... |
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Robrr
join:2008-04-19
Toronto, ON
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| I'm not sure of exact details about what Bell is doing at each site. I do know they are partners at both sites though.
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